7 tackle try - NQ dudded again!

[SEAT 1A]

I wont comment on the incident,as a cows fan I was glad for the extra week that was a longshot 2 months ago.
My beef is the refs .
Anderson you brainless f**ktard ,go & watch any JRL game & watch how 1 ref keeps it simple & game flows.

Easily fixed at NRL level(Jesus a Pom can come over & ref a test all by himself) & the game is fine.
Simplify the ruck ,forget the surrender/dominant or anything else you can think of.
Call HELD/TACKLED & OFF .If they don't get off penalise them .
Will fix the wrestling/holding down problem.

Don't call players out for offside..Penalise them .You are taught in under 7 to get back onside.
You dimwits are out there to REF games not coach grown men,& if they are too stupid to get back 10 then do your job.
Go back to One ref,i believe the game flows more & it would be a massive help if the touchies actually did their job.

Great post Phil.

Most fans will cop a dud call however, when there are 6 officials how can an error on a tackle count be made, there is a big problem with the future of the game.

The Nrl must change is't direction or it's going to have more red faces, yesterday was just embarrassing.

 

[David Gallop - CEO]

Forget about it? That's convenient for your argument

That's one play after Todd dropped the ball cold in the play the ball and the ref just said play it again!

Your minuscule brain missed the point that there was, and always is, a lot more than one crap call that affects the outcome of games. Cowboys had a pretty good run with the refs all game, excepting the mistaken tackle count, including the bad call I mentioned above, which directly lead to a cowboys try.

The incident you mention re Todd losing the ball after a tackle, I thought should have been a sharks penalty for defenders carrying on for about 5 seconds after held was called. If you think it was a bad call not calling it a knock on, you should be happy for that bad call because it led to the cowboys try.

See too many s**t calls to say that one cost them the game.

 

[_Johnsy]

Cowboys robbed again. Theyll never win.

How they get it wrong I'll never know. Simple, basic premise to count to 6.

If the last tackle is called the previous tackle the game changes completely from that point, who would have won from that point on? we'll never know.

Unfortunately NQ would not have made the GF. Watching the Bunnies/melb & Easts/manly games they are a few notches below that standard TBH.

 

[Miller was a legend]

Did anyone notice the "kick" from the cows half back that led to the start of that set?

 

[Iafeta]

Your minuscule brain missed the point that there was, and always is, a lot more than one crap call that affects the outcome of games. Cowboys had a pretty good run with the refs all game, excepting the mistaken tackle count, including the bad call I mentioned above, which directly lead to a cowboys try.

The incident you mention re Todd losing the ball after a tackle, I thought should have been a sharks penalty for defenders carrying on for about 5 seconds after held was called. If you think it was a bad call not calling it a knock on, you should be happy for that bad call because it led to the cowboys try.

See too many s**t calls to say that one cost them the game.

No it really shouldn't have been ruled the way you're suggesting. According to the referee (blind as a bat), Carney was trying to pass after tackle was called, and dropped the ball. For some god unknown reason that constitutes a "have another go again" call, when it was quite clear he lost control and it should have been a Cowboys scrum.

 

[TheVelourFog]

It's a ridiculous argument to say it hasn't cost the Cowboys the game.
How about this: Next finals game the Cowboys are in, they get 6 points on the board from the start, and the other team then has all game and as many chances as they want to overcome it. Fair?

 

[Miller was a legend]

Apart from the refs getting it wrong Lui was rubbish.

By the way they missed Lui's dropping the ball then kicking it which led to the start of that set.

Should have been called zero tackle anyway.

Useless referees in every aspect of that match

 

[KeepingTheFaith]

It's a ridiculous argument to say it hasn't cost the Cowboys the game.
How about this: Next finals game the Cowboys are in, they get 6 points on the board from the start, and the other team then has all game and as many chances as they want to overcome it. Fair?

No, it's not, but it's also valid for anyone who thinks that it did.

The only definite is that it was a shit call and the pink merkins suck.

 

[newman]

I feel for the cowboys, I really do, but to claim an incident in the 7th minute cost them the game shows an incredible lack of knowledge (and maturity). Particularly when the players, commentators and most at the ground had absolutely no knowledge of this blunder occurring until being tipped off later. I made a thread earlier in the year about RL supporters being a bunch of sooks and too quick to blame the refs. The cows had AMPLE opportunities to win that game, and weren't good enough.

 

[Nugget10]

No, it's not, but it's also valid for anyone who thinks that it did.

The only definite is that it was a shit call and the pink merkins suck.

Exactly. Whose to say the Sharks don't score off the kick or force a dropout or kick it dead and cowboys run the length of the field and score. Each scenario would change the course of the game and the score could have been anything

 

[Didgi]

I feel for the cowboys, I really do, but to claim an incident in the 7th minute cost them the game shows an incredible lack of knowledge (and maturity). Particularly when the players, commentators and most at the ground had absolutely no knowledge of this blunder occurring until being tipped off later. I made a thread earlier in the year about RL supporters being a bunch of sooks and too quick to blame the refs. The cows had AMPLE opportunities to win that game, and weren't good enough.

:lol: What? Because the blunder wasn't immediately obvious it's somehow lessened, despite being about as bad as one can be?

Those arguing it was too early on to change anything, Sharks were effectively given a 6-point head start. Without that we win.

 

[Willow]

So the message from LU is , Dud calls don't matter unless its in the last 2 mins of the game.

You're one of us too Canard. So by your logic, it is your message as well.

 

[newman]

:lol: What? Because the blunder wasn't immediately obvious it's somehow lessened, despite being about as bad as one can be?

Those arguing it was too early on to change anything, Sharks were effectively given a 6-point head start. Without that we win.

I've seen worse blunders. It was a bad call, but it can be argued that the stuff up with timekeeping was way more unprofessional and amateur. This one was bad, but in the context of the game the advantage wasn't strictly immediate. Both sets of players were playing as if the tackle count was correct.

I feel for you mate, but if you think one call cost you the game you need to wake up. No fault for JT kicking touch in goal, what, 3 times? That young winger dropping the ball over the line? Lui kicking out on the full? A couple of mid field knock ons? They had just as much bearing on the game as the refs.

 

[bileduct]

How about the Holden Cup elimination final just now. The Broncos get two penalties directly in front during extra time. Both decisions overruled by the video ref after a successful captain's challenge.

Without the captain's challenge the Broncos would have won on the back of dodgy penalties. They need to introduce this rule to first grade.

 

[carcharias]

FFS
I notice not one player complained at the time.

 

[themacemaceman]

I feel for the cowboys, I really do, but to claim an incident in the 7th minute cost them the game shows an incredible lack of knowledge (and maturity). Particularly when the players, commentators and most at the ground had absolutely no knowledge of this blunder occurring until being tipped off later. I made a thread earlier in the year about RL supporters being a bunch of sooks and too quick to blame the refs. The cows had AMPLE opportunities to win that game, and weren't good enough.[/

Couldn't agree with you more.
During the game when this came to light I was hoping the cowboys could overcome this and win.
Since the finish of the game and all the conspiracy theory suggestions have come from the cowboys I'm glad they lost. Sore losers.
To be honest there is probably games every week were a ref makes an incorrect call on a stripped ball or knock on that leads to a try for the opposing team and changes the game.
They were up 18-12 with 25mins to go and conceded 2 tries.
That's why they lost.

 

[squiddy]

Whoa there !

There's some talk that the cowboys also benefitted around the 70 minute mark with Tate fielding the ball and being awarded a zero tackle when it should have been tackle 1 , can anyone confirm I won't be able to watch it till tonight

Btw there no way you could say this cost the game for the cowboys, no way , just say tags was forced to hand the ball over , what's to say the cowboys don't spill it in their set and we score from there , thing is yes a dud call but it never cost them the game . sharks might have won by 50 had it been pulled up you never know

 

[bottle]

Sliding doors, butterfly effect. No definitive answer to a likely alternative outcome.
Still, it's a massive kick in the guts for the players, fans and outgoing coach. Heart wrenching stuff after last year as well.
It shouldn't happen, and feeds the conspiracy theorists when they are already oxygen thieves to begin with.

 

[Iafeta]

The discussion around did it cost the Cowboys the game seems a bit foolish really. All we know for sure is that the Cronulla Sharks won the game by a difference in score less than the advantage the Sharks gained from that try. Its correct to say that any number of things could have happened should the referees have called the count correctly. I doubt Tagatese would have been looking for a hit up for a start. But, having said that, finals tries are generally hard earned and in some cases few and far between. The chances IMO that they would have scored that set is fairly low (not impossible, improbable though). Any other number of things may or may not have happened, a goal line drop out, a knock on error defusing a bomb, a length of the field intercept, but because we know no better using statistical protocol the chances of successfully predicting those plays are incredibly low.

It was and still remains an atrocious piece of refereeing by a group of referees who I'm still in shock have somehow got to semi-final football. Perenara is dead set garbage, Spray on Sweat Robinson can't help but be involved in a controversial farce, what next, MaxMong, Klown in the grand final with Steve Clark and Justin Morgan as video refs? It seems to me the overriding issue is the fact that we have an absolutely appalling group of referees. I've been saying it all year, this is one of the worst set of refs going around so to be privy to such a massive controversy is no in way shape or form surprising. These gronks they have reffing first grade currently make the likes of Sean Hampstead and Paul Simpkins look like superstar refs.

I'd suggest then the overriding issue of everything here is how are we recruiting referees? It seems to me if you're an ex player you're a lay down faizzre. Mellor looks reasonable as a video ref, Morgan is a dead set gronk as a video ref, Perenara isn't up to it, Phillips I think is good. Perhaps we need to be thinking a bit wider as to how we attract competent personnel to want to make a career out of first grade refereeing rather than just pulling the "it'd be great if more ex players wanted to have a go" strategy.

 

[Perth Red]

Maybe if the refs stopped yelling coaching tips to players and concentrated on calling the tackle number this farce would have been avoided?