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AFL take the moral high ground

Dogs Of War

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it won't change

the media have an agenda

They may have, but if you ain't providing them the ammo, and the AFL keep trying to sweep things under the carpet, soon enough, like this Matty Johns story, you find there is no more room under the carpet and the media has no choice but to be fair and expose AFL if they are doing these sorts of things.

But NRL is flavour of the month, as it has been for years now, and only the NRL and all the NRL players can change that. Last nights Footy show should be shown to all players, EVERY year as a reminder of how easily things can come back to bite you.
 

Kiki

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i agree dogs.

i mean i think the media has an agenda thats favourable towards AFL, but they can't report on NRL scandals that don't happen.

im with you and i think this whole thing is a good lesson for young players to realise EVERYTHING has consequences, even if it isn't illegal. it doesn't make Matty John's a terrible person and i pass no moral judgement on him whatsoever, its just the way it is.
 

LeagueXIII

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True, but they keep refering to RL's past linking the events which they never do in AFL.

They even talk about the Bulldogs "incident" even after all these years and knowing that there was NO rape or assault at the time.
 

macavity

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i agree dogs.

i mean i think the media has an agenda thats favourable towards AFL, but they can't report on NRL scandals that don't happen.

but they can and will continue dragging up incidents that happened years and years ago whilst ignoring incidents in other codes.

you would think the captain of the young socceroos being charged with paedophillia would be bigger news than a consensual (if unsavoury) consensual event of 7 years ago, yes?

ask yourself, is it?
 

Dogs Of War

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but they can and will continue dragging up incidents that happened years and years ago whilst ignoring incidents in other codes.

If they do, then they are very poor reporters. NRL needs to be able to withstand old episodes being brought up from time to time, and be able to say, they were the bad old days, and our programs now are the envy of all the other codes.

you would think the captain of the young socceroos being charged with paedophillia would be bigger news than a consensual (if unsavoury) consensual event of 7 years ago, yes?

ask yourself, is it?

Well it will really give an indication of how popular soccer is in the country, depending on how much the media go after him, because ultimately thats what it comes down to.
 

macavity

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well the socceroos are apparently "Australia's national team"

imagine if it was the captain of the Jr Kangaroos?
 

Perth Red

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Any coincidence this is being driven by News Ltd media and we are about to A) enter TV negotiations with News Ltd and B) Pushing to get News Ltd out of ownership of our game? Call me paranoid but there must be something behind these constant attacks by news journos?
 

Green Machine

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A bit more of the high moral ground from the AFL's Richard Hinds:
http://www.smh.com.au/news/sport/nr...1242335880660.html?page=fullpage#contentSwap1

NRL's David takes on the Goliath in the room

Richard Hinds
May 16, 2009

DAVID GALLOP has always been an incongruous figure. With his grey hair, jerky mannerisms and lawyer's glasses perched on the end of a beaky nose, he sometimes looks more like the honorary secretary of a local coin-collecting society than the most powerful figure in the tough, feudal world of rugby league.
More than his bookish appearance, the thing that has enfeebled Gallop during his seven years as the NRL's chief executive has been his inability to deal with the game's ingrained culture of sexual misconduct. How often had Gallop been left standing like a befuddled headmaster wagging his finger at misbehaving schoolboys who, emboldened by the cheering of the fans and the winks and nods of club insiders, ignored his warnings?
Tuesday seemed like just another day-in-the-life of an apparently decent man doing a dirty job - this one spent responding to the disturbing Four Corners report that detailed several incidents of gang-banging and other improper conduct by NRL players.
Given the barbaric nature of some members of his constituency, Gallop enters "damage control" in his diary as often as others enter "coffee with Kate". It was anticipated before his press conference that he would simply repeat the apology issued immediately after Four Corners went to air and point to the educational programs to which the ABC had been granted access - apparently in the belief this might soften the investigation's impact.
That proved a major miscalculation after the harrowing testimony of those who had endured animalistic rituals at the hands of NRL players was heard. The account, particularly, of a New Zealand woman who had been subjected to a two-hour ordeal by Cronulla players including Matthew Johns, was difficult to watch and even more difficult to ignore.
The clumsy response of one of the young players attending the league's education program did not provide the NRL any relief. He suggested it was not what you did to a woman, but you how treated her afterwards, that determined the acceptability of your conduct. Seven-player gang-bang? Got to be worth a bunch of flowers and a bottle of real champagne. Maybe even a lift home - after you've finished your beer.
Whether it was the testimony of the abused women, or how feckless the game was made to seem in its attempts to deal with its problems, the mild-mannered Gallop had a different look about him when he spoke on Tuesday. Firm in his dealing with the recalcitrant Manly after the Brett Stewart sexual assault allegations, Gallop now seemed emboldened. Like a small-town sheriff in a wild west movie who had decided things would be different around here from now on.

Momentarily abandoning the safe ground of his legal training and the rhetoric about re-education, Gallop made two significant points - the game would not tolerate the "degradation of women" (as opposed to merely waiting in the wings to punish those convicted of illegal acts), and those who did not get into line would be run out of the game. "So much of what we saw last night was fundamentally indefensible," Gallop said. "If anyone in the game today is ignoring the importance of that message, then frankly they will need to find another career."
Even as Gallop spoke, those rugby league fans who can barely recite their ABC, let alone watch it, were rallying behind Johns. On websites and radio talkback, they made it clear they fully expected Johns's alter-ego Reg Reagan to pop up on The Footy Show on Thursday night - perhaps now calling on the game to "Bring Back The Bun".
These knuckle-draggers brandished the word "consent" like a shield. The 19-year-old woman set upon by the Cronulla players had consented to sex, they argued. They didn't quite say "she was begging for it". However, by stating firmly that any behaviour that degrades women was unacceptable, Gallop had ripped that flimsy defence from their hands. "Violence against women is abhorrent, and sexual assault and the degradation of women is just that," he said.
Words alone won't mean much. But the ostracism of the popular Johns, who has been stripped of his club and media roles, sends a powerful message to the apologists and the low-lifes. No more hiding behind the back-slappers and powerful mates.
Gallop must have squirmed watching Four Corners, but he should be empowered by the portrayal of the damage caused by some. For a moment on Tuesday, the coin collector looked like The Terminator.
 

El Diablo

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http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,25493215-5000117,00.html

Seeing sport in a different light
Article from: Sunday Herald Sun

James Campbell

May 17, 2009 12:00am

BY NOW most of you are probably feeling tired of all the stories you have read in the past week about group sex.

The first one must have seemed exciting and a bit naughty; it was probably still interesting when you read the second one.

When you read the third you were probably thinking, "I'm sick of this, it's starting to hurt". And by now you're probably screaming: "I've heard enough on this subject. Stop!"

But please bear with me - one more won't make a difference and I promise I'll be quick.It struck me that in the fuss over Monday night's revelations of group sex in Christchurch (there's a phrase I bet you never thought you'd read!) seven years ago, an important point was being missed.

I didn't watch Four Corners on Monday. I turned it off on realising it was going to feature two of my least favourite subjects - rugby league and people with New Zealand-ish accents.

I realise now, of course, I should have kept watching because from what I have read of the program, it offered the first convincing explanation for something that has long perplexed me.

I've always known there had to be a reason why rugby league existed, but I could never figure out what it was. I knew it couldn't have been the sport, which is so tedious as almost to be beyond description.

Now, thanks to the diligent researchers of the national broadcaster, I have an answer to the question I ask every time I accidentally stumble on a game of this sport. To the question, "Why on Earth would anybody want to play that?" Now comes the answer, "So they can all get together and have sex with a 19-year-old girl."

Being a four-eyes, I was never much for sport, to put it mildly. Indeed aside from a stupid decision to play rugby once at university (the most terrifying half hour of my life) I've spent my entire life avoiding it.

As a child I would go to almost any length to avoid it. It was cold, you got dirty and then you had to have a shower in front of your entire class while some bully with a whistle shouted at you to hurry up.

In those days people banged on about sport being good for the character and team games teaching youngsters to get on with each other.

I imagine the kids these days don't hear those arguments - not after all the "troubling" revelations about the culture surrounding men's team sports. Instead, they probably have to endure a lot of pious nonsense from their overweight parents and teachers about the dangers of them getting fat if they don't play sport.

All week in Melbourne people have been speculating if such things as were revealed about rugby league on Monday take place in our beloved code.

So it was reassuring to hear AFL chief Andrew Demetriou come out and say he thought such behaviour was in the past.

"I'm sure we've had a similar culture in the past, there's no doubt about that," he reportedly said.

"That's why four or five years ago we got together with the State Government, Victoria Police and the University of Melbourne to come up with our Respect and Responsibility program."

That is good to hear, but it doesn't explain why they think getting it on with their workmates is fun in the first place.

Most men are happy to confine their workplace bonding to the pub.
 

El Diablo

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these merkins have their heads buried in the sand. how anyone can like AFL or put up with the arrogant twas that follow it has got me stuffed
 

MsStorm

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Well I would half agree with that. Sydney is the nations captial as far as sensationalist news reporting and in particular swelling controversies. The NRL being the number one winter sport in Sydney is only naturally going to generate more interest than any other sport.

However I don't think that is the case, there have been investigations before suggesting the AFL pay money to tone down reporting and influence in other ways as well.


http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,25475784-7583,00.html

That link is a story half for Johns and half for a Melbourne based talkback host who seems to have been sacked for negative reporting.

There has been so much press here in Melbourne regarding Matty, I thought for a moment I lived in a rugby league town.

Grant Thomas must have been given a huge payout by SEN which would have included a clause not to speak to anyone on this matter...unlike the time he was sacked as coach of St. Kilda...when many a story surfaced from him.
 

MsStorm

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We just keep giving them ammunition too which is a great shame, looks like another allegation with 5 Balmain Ryde boys has surfaced.

It isn't like the AFL are the angels they make themselves out to be either. The boys culture in both codes are similar except the NRL is in the limelight when it comes to controversy.

A few days ago there was a small snippet in the Herald Sun (wish now I had kept the newspaper ) where a stripper was hired pre-match by one of the suburban or country afl teams to entertain the players. The end result was that the team won by 10 goals.

I wonder how that story slipped past the afl.:?
 

MsStorm

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The AFL don't need to pay for favourable coverage, they get plenty of that for free from the ABC, ch 7, 10 etc.

The ABC has dredged up 7 a year old NRL scandal at the same time as the AFLs push into western Sydney was starting to look shakey. Is that perfect timing or what?

Yes, that's exactly what I think too.
 

Kiki

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the biggest thing that sh*ts me about AFL is how they are painting themselves all WE IZ SO WOMEN FRIENDLY!1!1

bullsh*t. throwing a few cheesy ladies events doesn't make it women friendly. fairly sure none of our players have been in the presence of a girl dying of a DRUG OVERDOSE in a hotel room Gary Ablett style.

well AFL, there is one woman that you will never con into following you. takes more than a few glasses of champas to win me over. same goes for union.
 

Brutus

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When Demetriou gave his press conference a few days ago did he address the situation of hush money?
 

Green Machine

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http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,25493215-5000117,00.html


AFL Muppet said:
All week in Melbourne people have been speculating if such things as were revealed about rugby league on Monday take place in our beloved code.

So it was reassuring to hear AFL chief Andrew Demetriou come out and say he thought such behaviour was in the past.

"I'm sure we've had a similar culture in the past, there's no doubt about that," he reportedly said.

"That's why four or five years ago we got together with the State Government, Victoria Police and the University of Melbourne to come up with our Respect and Responsibility program."

:lol:
 

LESStar58

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I've always known there had to be a reason why rugby league existed, but I could never figure out what it was. I knew it couldn't have been the sport, which is so tedious as almost to be beyond description.
Now, thanks to the diligent researchers of the national broadcaster, I have an answer to the question I ask every time I accidentally stumble on a game of this sport. To the question, "Why on Earth would anybody want to play that?" Now comes the answer, "So they can all get together and have sex with a 19-year-old girl."

*shakes head*

How does this clown have a job?
 

LESStar58

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Being a four-eyes, I was never much for sport, to put it mildly. Indeed aside from a stupid decision to play rugby once at university (the most terrifying half hour of my life) I've spent my entire life avoiding it.

Lol! Probably played rugby UNION (can't tell the difference between codes) and got run over by a big Maori or Polynesian fella.
 

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