Albert Kelly signs with Sharks

[The Colonel]

Agreed, but I don't think Melbourne is the best example. It's hardly their fault that they are in an awfully difficult city to nurture talent.
If ya going to have a shot at anyone, make it Manly.

Also, I like the bit in red.

Suity

Not a hell of a lot of difference between Melbourne, Roosters and Manly TBPH. Yes, it has been difficult for Melbourne to nurture talent in the climate they are in but given their relationshiop, moreso in the past, with Queensland Cup sides they were able to bring through some juniors like Folau, Slater and Smith.

However I'm sure of you asked Newcastle and Wests Tigers I'm pretty sure they would have been happier if they didn't have to compete with the big dollars thrown at Greg Inglis and Ryan Hoffmann to leave their junior set ups and locate to Brisbane and then Melbourne.

A good number of the current Melbourne NYC side were hand selected from other clubs as well.

The essence of the story is Melbourne may have had a side reach the finals this year in SG Ball but they will still continue to chase the signatures of the best talent regardless. You just have to look at the Roosters 2004 premiership winning Flegg side - those kids were brought in from many other clubs yet none of them remain at the club 5 years on and very few played first grade for the Roosters. Jamie Soward was the last to leave.

 

[strider]

the problem with melbourne's nuturing of junior talent is it results in f'n NSW'landers becoming f'n Queenslanders :crazy:

 

[Ron Jeremy]

As I mentioned to Stagger about 3 weeks ago, Nathan Gardner wasn't even offered a contract by Parra.

With Kelly, the Sharks came in on the 11th hour and made the bid. He was all but going to the Tigers until Sticky and Joey G made the call and promised the kid the keys to the Town Centre.

As told to me by a board member, Parra offered the kid want he wanted but somehow the Sharks have come up trumps here.

he offered Joe Grima as well to him? i mean, thats the reason why he left wasn't it?

 

[fish eel]

How many juniors have we lost that we really wanted to keep? A mere handfull.

People can bitch and moan about other clubs poaching, but generally we seem t have kept most of the guys we want.

Albert Kelly and Tony Williams are 2 that come to mind that we wanted to keep but lost.

David Williams? When he left at that time it's doubtfull he would have played FG, keeping in mind our finish to the season on 2007, there wasn't a spot for him. Most people accepted he moved on for opportunity. Who else?

Generally, I think, if you look after the kids, and they see an opportunity, they'll stay.

I think it's more to do with ID'ing the talent and nurturing it, rather than other clubs poaching.

 

[Ron Jeremy]

How many juniors have we lost that we really wanted to keep? A mere handfull.

People can bitch and moan about other clubs poaching, but generally we seem t have kept most of the guys we want.

Albert Kelly and Tony Williams are 2 that come to mind that we wanted to keep but lost.

David Williams? When he left at that time it's doubtfull he would have played FG, keeping in mind our finish to the season on 2007, there wasn't a spot for him. Most people accepted he moved on for opportunity. Who else?

Generally, I think, if you look after the kids, and they see an opportunity, they'll stay.

I think it's more to do with ID'ing the talent and nurturing it, rather than other clubs poaching.

tbh no matter how well you treat them it comes down to money, simple as that, if cronulla offered $20,000 more then Parra he'd go, he's young, has an agent in his year, simple as that, a rarity to see juniors that age stay for less, and we'll continue to loose alotmore with cashed up clubs out there ( salary cap related) with sh*t all juniors.

 

[The Colonel]

How many juniors have we lost that we really wanted to keep? A mere handfull.

People can bitch and moan about other clubs poaching, but generally we seem t have kept most of the guys we want.

Albert Kelly and Tony Williams are 2 that come to mind that we wanted to keep but lost.

David Williams? When he left at that time it's doubtfull he would have played FG, keeping in mind our finish to the season on 2007, there wasn't a spot for him. Most people accepted he moved on for opportunity. Who else?

Generally, I think, if you look after the kids, and they see an opportunity, they'll stay.

I think it's more to do with ID'ing the talent and nurturing it, rather than other clubs poaching.

I think the club spends a lot of money on developing kids that aren't necessarily first graders or they spend money keeping players around without trying them in the top grades.

I think we have lost a few kids in recenmt years who we probably shouldn't have for one reason or another - Jon Mannah, Trent Hodkinson - are two that jump to mind who may have been much better options as opposed to some of the players we have seemingly kept and not used at all.

 

[Ron Jeremy]

I think the club spends a lot of money on developing kids that aren't necessarily first graders or they spend money keeping players around without trying them in the top grades.

I think we have lost a few kids in recenmt years who we probably shouldn't have for one reason or another - Jon Mannah, Trent Hodkinson - are two that jump to mind who may have been much better options as opposed to some of the players we have seemingly kept and not used at all.

well, that was Hagans fault then

 

[TheRam]

P Gallen, W Tonga, Z Taia, and Joel Clinton are the sorts of juniors that we should of seen as having the potential to make it that we really didn't think enough of to fight and keep.

 

[caylo]

How many juniors have we lost that we really wanted to keep? A mere handfull.

People can bitch and moan about other clubs poaching, but generally we seem t have kept most of the guys we want.

Albert Kelly and Tony Williams are 2 that come to mind that we wanted to keep but lost.

David Williams? When he left at that time it's doubtfull he would have played FG, keeping in mind our finish to the season on 2007, there wasn't a spot for him. Most people accepted he moved on for opportunity. Who else?

Generally, I think, if you look after the kids, and they see an opportunity, they'll stay.

I think it's more to do with ID'ing the talent and nurturing it, rather than other clubs poaching.

I have to agree

We lost guys like Tonga, Graham, Williams brother, Tony Williams, Green... all of these guys have had rough patchs and other than Tonga and the William brothers they have no performed up to first grade standard for extended periods. I have no real issue with the players we have lost, someone like J.Mannah is a big unit and alot of parramatta fans have said we lost the better brother be tbh he has been less than solid this year with Tim performing much more consistantly tbh.

One player that I regreat lossing is Jason Cayless and other than that parramatta has probably kept too many jnrs they shouldn't have. Gardner is going to be a good player but with an inform Hayne, Inu and Reddy there will be no room for him in the team, we dont need to be paying overs for outside backs.

 

[fish eel]

I think the club spends a lot of money on developing kids that aren't necessarily first graders or they spend money keeping players around without trying them in the top grades.

Perhaps we'd be better served by focusing on the prospective first graders rather than club championships?

I think we have lost a few kids in recenmt years who we probably shouldn't have for one reason or another - Jon Mannah, Trent Hodkinson - are two that jump to mind who may have been much better options as opposed to some of the players we have seemingly kept and not used at all.

Yeah, true, but that comes back to what I said about ID'ing talent and keeping the ones you want to keep, making sure they see an opportunity.

I'm not sure, with those guys, they really saw a future here under the old regime?

 

[The Colonel]

Yeah, true, but that comes back to what I said about ID'ing talent and keeping the ones you want to keep, making sure they see an opportunity.

I'm not sure, with those guys, they really saw a future here under the old regime?

I think the problem we fell into there was not having anything to offer them. Hodkinson IMO would have been a better option than Robson, particularly given his long term combination with KK. I think though after the knee injury he suffered that he may have been passed over.

 

[TheRam]

Oh yeah Colonel, I forgot John Mannah, he is the latest one and Jason Cayless is another. I am not to sure about Andrew Ryan though, I think the Dogs offered way to much for us to compete at the time, but not to sure. If not then he is another one too.

 

[fish eel]

We shouldnt be too precious though, especially when looking back at say, Jason Cayless.....havent we just nabbed a local Illawarra juniors who saints have nurtured into a SOO prop?

 

[Parra Steve]

I thought we only offered Andrew Ryan a shorter contract but he wanted a longer contract?

TBH, while its disapponitng to see players leave the club, no one player is bigger than the club. As far as the players that have left, if they stayed would we have won a grand final? i dont think we would have.

 

[Ron Jeremy]

well people he has signed elsewhere, move on i say, not too worried tbh.

 

[TheRam]

Not worried RJ, just talking about and worried about making sure that we have the right people in place to spot and keep the best talent that we have overall.

 

[The Colonel]

We shouldnt be too precious though, especially when looking back at say, Jason Cayless.....havent we just nabbed a local Illawarra juniors who saints have nurtured into a SOO prop?

We do have to weigh these sort of things up.....

 

[fish eel]

When I think of Albert Kelly,I think of Ben Barber

 

[Ron Jeremy]

Not worried RJ, just talking about and worried about making sure that we have the right people in place to spot and keep the best talent that we have overall.

i think it will improve, but it wont just happen over night, i think with DA and 3p now there it will slow down the rate somewhat, yeah it's dissapointing, but i think it will improve, could it get any worse?

 

[Raudonikis]

Oh yeah Colonel, I forgot John Mannah, he is the latest one and Jason Cayless is another. I am not to sure about Andrew Ryan though, I think the Dogs offered way to much for us to compete at the time, but not to sure. If not then he is another one too.

Imagine if we could a kept him and a backrow of hindy and ryan, would a been awsome