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Alex McKinnon possibly Quadriplegic - Mclean guilty of dangerous throw - 7 weeks

How many weeks?

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Billythekid

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This is the exact reason that lifting in tackles is outlawed. Problem is the rugby codes have never been serious enough about the ban. So we still see the tackles.

Mclean should be the scapegoat for this - similar to Boyd & Cooper when Comans headed the judiciary.

If he gets the usual minimum, then the tackles will continue. Lifting in tackles needs to disappear. If Mckinnon has to sue the NRL, Mclean and anyone else to both look after himself and remove lifting tackles then so be it.

They can give Mclean a whole year off and it will do nothing to prevent lifting tackles. There are 100s if not 1000s just as bad or worse than that tackle. There were other lifting tackles and that exact game that were worse. The fact that the one freak accident that happens once a decade causes a player to get a big suspension won't prevent players from doing it.

If you truly want to deter players from doing it you would be increasing the suspensions across the board and not just trying to pick one scape goat. That's got nothing to do with actually fixing the problem, it just makes people feel like something has been done.

The tackle itself isn't even that bad. If there was no injury he would be lucky to get a week and i'm not even sure a penalty would have been blown.

I'm not sure where i stand on what penalty he should get but this thread isn't the place to discuss it. Too many people are blinded by their hatred for the storm and the injury itself to be able to discuss anything objectively.
 

StormHi

Juniors
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Are you saying that as a Melbourne storm fan or as an NRL fan?

They took the week off to allow the McKinnons some privacy and scrutinize the tackle at a later date when everyone had cooler heads. Too bad Melbourne won't take their medicine and acted like a spoilt bitch.

Way to take the same approach as the Newscorp scum that continues to tar the game in a bad light and undermine it.

You are scum mate.

I was wrong in my earlier statements on this thread all I want to see atm is a recovery for Alex.

Please stop using this thread to bash Melbourne (happy to see you do it any other time)

Heart goes out to Alex and his family.
 

Billythekid

First Grade
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You are scum mate.

I was wrong in my earlier statements on this thread all I want to see atm is a recovery for Alex.

Please stop using this thread to bash Melbourne (happy to see you do it any other time)

Heart goes out to Alex and his family.

So many hypocrites in this thread. Pretending to give a shit about the player when really they're just using this excuse to mindlessly bash the storm. There are plenty of chances to do that on here, come into the game day thread and make fun of us. If we lose you can f*cking go to town. Don't take advantage of this sh*tty situation to push your embarrassing agenda.
 

elbusto

Coach
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So many hypocrites in this thread. Pretending to give a shit about the player when really they're just using this excuse to mindlessly bash the storm. There are plenty of chances to do that on here, come into the game day thread and make fun of us. If we lose you can f*cking go to town. Don't take advantage of this sh*tty situation to push your embarrassing agenda.
Well said. Some here are bloody disgraceful.
 

StormHi

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So many hypocrites in this thread. Pretending to give a shit about the player when really they're just using this excuse to mindlessly bash the storm. There are plenty of chances to do that on here, come into the game day thread and make fun of us. If we lose you can f*cking go to town. Don't take advantage of this sh*tty situation to push your embarrassing agenda.

This for sure.
 

taxidriver

Coach
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Get off your high horse

You're more interested in defending your franchise than discussing the issues that have contributed to this tragedy
 
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Storm fans please f### off! You have zero right coming in here playing the victims. You have no idea what trauma this has caused our club and community. Newie is a close place. Had McClean been the victim we would cop it sweet.
 

Spot On

Coach
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Im lost with their thinking, He should be penalized for the illegal tackle not the damage he caused, especially when it was clearly an accident.

I understand what you're saying but any player charged for an infringement can argue it wasn't intentional and was just an accident. They set a precedent with Snowden last year. Broken jaw = 7 weeks. Other shoulder charges are usually 2 to 3. I have no idea what they'll do with Maclean but I'm guessing, going from recent history, they will set an example here.
 
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Billythekid

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Get off your high horse

You're more interested in defending your franchise than discussing the issues that have contributed to this tragedy

Mclean getting a few weeks won't really impact us at all and i'm fine with it. I'm actually interested in discussing the issue and not just trying to make a scape goat out of one player/club.

I also wasn't defending the storm. Like i said have a go at us all you want, everyone does every day on this forum and i'm fine with that (it's fun actually). My problem is with the people on here pretending to care about Mckinnon when really they are just abusing his injury to continue their usual tirade about the storm.

Storm fans please f### off! You have zero right coming in here playing the victims. You have no idea what trauma this has caused our club and community. Newie is a close place. Had McClean been the victim we would cop it sweet.

I live in Newcastle, stop talking sh*t.
 

taxidriver

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Mclean getting a few weeks won't really impact us at all and i'm fine with it. I'm actually interested in discussing the issue and not just trying to make a scape goat out of one player/club.

.

It's hard to discuss rationally when you're in denial
 

magpie4ever

First Grade
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So many hypocrites in this thread. Pretending to give a shit about the player when really they're just using this excuse to mindlessly bash the storm. There are plenty of chances to do that on here, come into the game day thread and make fun of us. If we lose you can f*cking go to town. Don't take advantage of this sh*tty situation to push your embarrassing agenda.

Agree, it was a shocking accident. Let the judiciary handle it.
 

Parra

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They can give Mclean a whole year off and it will do nothing to prevent lifting tackles.

I even provided you two examples where the judiciary took a very hardline approach and the players did change their behaviour. They changed it immediately.

The quote from Comans to Bob Cooper is very apt in this regard.

This was no random accident. A bloke has had his neck broken as a result of a tackling style that has been banned for the very reason that someone could have their neck broken.

If ever there was an example to be made, this is it.

And people still don't get it.
 

magpie4ever

First Grade
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Is it possible for someone more IT savy than me to post a photo of the tackle where McLean has his hands between Alex's legs. From memory he had his hands around or on his legs not between, but I willing to be wrong.
 
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El Diablo

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damn this is a good read http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sp...ch-wayne-bennett/story-fni3fbgz-1226868515571

more like my son, writes Newcastle coach Wayne Bennett

Wayne Bennett Newcastle Knights coach
The Daily Telegraph
March 29, 2014 9:00PM

I WANT to tell you about Alex McKinnon, one of the best kids you’ve never met.

Because the hardest thing right now is busting to do something for Alex and his family, and the realisation you can’t … this lonely feeling of helplessness.

So I thought the best I could do was share my insights to a wonderful young man, to our relationship and trust.

It all happened so quickly. And it was life-changing.

Today, Alex lies in a Melbourne hospital fighting the biggest battle of his 22 years.

First time I saw him was at an under-20s Dragons training session. The flaming red hair made him stand out, that and his athleticism.

Steve Price coached the ’20s back then and he said this kid’s going to be a star.

After watching him train for a while I turned and said: He has a few bad habits, Steve.

At the Dragons, he played ’20s when he was only 17, going on to represent NSW under-18s.

In 2010, Dan Hunt ruptured an achilles warming up and we didn’t have an 18th man so I looked over at the ’20s who’d just finished their match, grabbed him and put him on the bench.

Alex had been their best player but was still only 18.

I never used him that day – didn’t give him one minute game time.

Knew he’d come looking for an explanation. I simply thanked him, saying you haven’t earned the right to play with these players.

When he had earned the right I knew he’d appreciate it a lot more than if I’d given him five minutes out there first up.

The following year he played for the Dragons’ top side because he had earned the right by paying the price.

I was leaving the Dragons for Newcastle and Alex came from Aberdeen in the Hunter Valley.

He’d been away at boarding school for four years, then at the Dragons and while he loved the joint he wanted to go home.

And I wanted to take him.

Even then I had a lot of respect for him, the way he carried himself. His maturity. Quiet manner. How he could hold a conversation in any company, without ever seeking to be the centre of
attention.

So he came to Newcastle with me at age 20 and was always happiest when heading home to Aberdeen.

Not a whole lot happens in Aberdeen.

For more than a century the local abattoirs was its largest single employer but when an American company bought then closed the meatworks in 1999 hundreds of people were left without work.

Pretty much all the locals had left to cheer about were the Aberdeen Tigers, who play at McKinnon Oval named after Alex’s grandfather Mal and still mowed and marked out each week of winter by Mal’s son, Scott – Alex’s dad.

They’re true rugby league people.

And one of the things endearing me to Alex is his ability to care for other people.

If he is your friend, you do not want. Recently I went to a player I knew to be struggling financially, prepared to give him a loan.

“You OK?” I said. Yeah, he said, Alex looked after me. If someone hasn’t got a car or loses his licence, the beeping horn out the front belongs to Alex McKinnon.

Just last year I went back to Aberdeen with him and we spoke to his old school, St Joseph’s.

He talked about how hard it was for him to leave home, how much he missed his parents and friends, at the same time encouraging the students to have the courage to follow their dreams … not to be afraid of the unknown.

Today, it is his dreams shattered, he who is staring at the unknown.

I have an old friend up here I played football with a long time ago. He was brought up in an orphanage and his story is tragic.

As part of Alex’s education I thought he should meet him because we sometimes forget how lucky we are.

So over we went. My old mate loves his football and he loved Alex even more. I got him to tell a bit of his past and the kid was blown away.

A few months later, with Christmas nearing, Alex asked when I was going back to see my friend? “I want to come with you.”

Come he did, with an armful of gifts and food items to share the joy of Christmas with someone he barely knew.

Funny, I’d never taken another player around there.

I’m not a great shopper so when I want to go shopping I ring Alex.

I say, Alex, I need this … I need that … where do we go?

Pick him up, and he says, “Coach”, he always calls me coach — we’re father and son – “Coach,” he says, “we’re going here, and we’re going there.”

I end up buying clothes a bit young for me, hip and happening, he says, and he’s introduced me to Boost Juice and Health Balls, which he buys by the jarful.

We have some lovely times shopping, me and Alex.

All my players are important to me but we just have a special chemistry. Me in my 60s and he’s 22.

That’s the price you pay in relationships – the greater the relationship, the greater the pain.

Monday night in Melbourne was terrible, horrific, highlighted by the fact I’m the coach, the steadying influence. The one they look to.

We play a tough game and Alex is a tough young man. Nobody’s fool. He doesn’t walk around trying to show he’s tough, but he is. And I’ve always loved his humility.

Never seen him drunk. Not once. Never seen him do anything stupid. No one’s ever talked about Alex like that.

He doesn’t wear his cap back-to-front, prefers country music and watches every game of footy every weekend. He’d rather sit down and talk to old blokes than prance around with rock stars.

My greatest torment is I wasn’t initially sure how bad the injury was, wasn’t looking at the pictures on the big screen.

Many times in my coaching life I’ve seen players taken off on stretchers, taken through all the procedures, and every one of them has walked away at day’s end.

On the way to the dressing rooms at halftime I walked into the medical area and didn’t get any positive looks or vibe, just whispers of can you move this? Can you do that? I went to the other players and tried to settle them down.

Then straight back to the medical room where I could tell things were very serious. I left Alex with an assurance everybody was doing their best for him.

And while I’ve seen him since we haven’t been able to speak.

All we have now is hope. And belief.

Belief the game of rugby league, Newcastle and the Hunter will stay true to Alex McKinnon.

He’s going to need a lot of help and for people to be there with him for the rest of his life. As he would there be for you.
 

Swarzey

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Yoda

Juniors
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What an amazing article. I didn't think I could feel any worse about McKinnons injury but I do after reading that. Sounds like a champion young fella.
 
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