annual report 2014

[betcats]

I like that Perth has no team.

Seriously though I have never said they are getting everything wrong and have acknowledged some of the things above previously. Its just IMO they are struggling in some crucial areas.

Re your Grounds comment, how is it no longer acceptable? Its is still happening this year and will again next year.

 

[Perth Red]

because they are moving forward with a transition. The fact they are bothering to even consider it let alone invest significantly in trying to get the best long term outcome shows they know that some grounds are not acceptable for both the look of the game and to meet the games goals of attendance, financial sustainability etc. Focus has been on Sydney and Townsville as they were the two biggest areas of need. Hopefully if Perth ever gets a club they will start lobbying for the second phase of nib stadium upgrade.

 

[betcats]

because they are moving forward with a transition. The fact they are bothering to even consider it let alone invest significantly in trying to get the best long term outcome shows they know that some grounds are not acceptable for both the look of the game and to meet the games goals of attendance, financial sustainability etc. Focus has been on Sydney and Townsville as they were the two biggest areas of need. Hopefully if Perth ever gets a club they will start lobbying for the second phase of nib stadium upgrade.

They have been talking about stadiums for three years I know they cant rush out and upgrade or build a new stadium straight away but teams will be playing in those crappy stadiums you are referring to for years to come and its more than likely we will continue to get sub 10k crowds occasionally for the next few years. Has there been anything definitive released from the NRL regarding their stadium policy?

 

[BuffaloRules]

Gentlemen, Gentlemen....

I cant believe some of the misinformation coming forward here...

If I was a cynic, I would suggest that we have people with a biased NRL agenda deliberately trying to mislead...

In terms of what the players earned in 2014, I believe that the salary cap was $6.3 Million per club x 16 = $100.8 Million.

NRL revenue in 2014 was $344 Million ( they don't just get TV/media money right??)

 

[betcats]

If I was a cynic, I would suggest that we have people with a biased NRL agenda deliberately trying to mislead...

Surely insert pause wouldn't try to do that :sarcasm: haha I am fairly biased toward not liking Dave Smith and some others at nrl HQ so its all good.

 

[insert.pause]

Gentlemen, Gentlemen....

I cant believe some of the misinformation coming forward here...

If I was a cynic, I would suggest that we have people with a biased NRL agenda deliberately trying to mislead...

In terms of what the players earned in 2014, I believe that the salary cap was $6.3 Million per club x 16 = $100.8 Million.

NRL revenue in 2014 was $344 Million ( they don't just get TV/media money right??)

no, it was a response to a post that suggested players earned only $120m from the entire 1.2b tv deal, and was corrected in that context, it wasn't misleading at all.

 

[Captain Apollo]

Yeah, you're right, this is the best I could find, bizarrely the NRL don't have the constitution on their website.



http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/...n-up-for-leagues-new-body-20100902-14rqx.html

Yeah it is bizarre it is not on their website. Adrian Proszenko wrote in his column in the Sun Herald yesterday (see the bit headed Flying the coup) that constitution change is as you wrote, but to remove a Commissioner it needs a majortity vote taken by the 16 clubs, plus the NSWRL, QRL and the existing Commissioners. I dare say that is what causes the confusion.

 

[insert.pause]

Yeah it is bizarre it is not on their website. Adrian Proszenko wrote in his column in the Sun Herald yesterday (see the bit headed Flying the coup) that constitution change is as you wrote, but to remove a Commissioner it needs a majortity vote taken by the 16 clubs, plus the NSWRL, QRL and the existing Commissioners. I dare say that is what causes the confusion.

Yeah, it's strange they wouldn't have the most important document on the same website explaining everything else about the commission, I saw this on twitter a few days ago;

Simple majority (50% + 1) of all members, so 14/26 OR Super majority, of 10 licensee members (clubs) + QRL + NSWRL.

https://twitter.com/RL_Ratings/status/601696226552057856

We had constitution change wrong as well,

Rugby League Ratings
‏@RL_Ratings
ARLC Constitution may only be amended/replaced by "Specific Majority" of "Eligible Voting Members" defined as 15/16 clubs + NSWRL + QRL #NRL

https://twitter.com/RL_Ratings/status/602106933370163200

They will never get necessary votes for constitutional change, & removal of a commissioner, while maybe more attainable, would be pointless because they are just replaced by remaining commissioners, it would come across really petty and harm the games reputation with any possible quality future commission candidates.

 

[El Diablo]

http://www.news.com.au/national/clu...nd-voting-rights/story-e6frfkp9-1227380194465

Clubs will meet with NRL over additional funding and voting rights

by: DEAN RITCHIE Exclusive
June 03, 2015 12:00AM

GIVE us a vote and give us our money.

Fired-up NRL clubs are preparing for a boots-and-all meeting with NRL chief executive Dave Smith and the eight commissioners — including chairman John Grant — just a day after State of Origin II at the MCG.

The meeting — to be held in Melbourne — is already being billed as Origin III. The political battle lines have been drawn, both sides terrified of losing some power.

The Daily Telegraph can reveal that all 16 clubs have been invited and will be represented — more than 75 per cent of the vote needed for constitutional change.

Influential figures including Nick Politis (Sydney Roosters), Nick Pappas (Souths), Ray Dib (Canterbury), Warren Wilson (Penrith), Steve Sharp (Parramatta), Scott Penn (Manly), Warren Lockwood (Dragons), Brian McGuigan (Newcastle) and Damian Keogh (Sharks) are expected to attend.

The three most confronting issues:

* Why clubs received a combined total of $120m from the NRL last year when the game earned $350m in revenue — equating to just 34 per cent.

* Why don’t clubs receive a vote on who should be elected onto the ARL Commission.

* Whether St George Illawarra will hold the balance of power.

Up to 12 clubs last year lost money. They want to know why they receive only $7.5m annually and where the NRL is spending the remaining $230m.

The 12 ‘independent’ clubs hope to vote as a bloc vote although North Queensland is known to be an NRL supporter.

Those 12 clubs are closely monitoring how the four clubs vote that are financially tied to the NRL — St George Illawarra, Wests Tigers, Gold Coast and Newcastle.

Newcastle, Gold Coast and Wests Tigers are aligned to the NRL, the Dragons though only have a loan from the governing body.

Aside the 16 clubs, the NSWRL and QRL are also members of the commission and vote. That means 18 votes.

Some club believe the QRL will vote with the NRL given their allegiance to Queenslander Grant.
It is unknown how the NSWRL will vote but they have been at loggerheads with the NRL this year over a variety of issues. That would leave Saints as the crucial vote.

An NRL spokesman said the meeting was one of four scheduled with club chairs this year.

“This is our second scheduled meeting with a full agenda as we work with the clubs,” the spokesman said. “The first meeting was successful and we expect this meeting to be constructive as well.”

Clubs want to know what is — and isn’t working — with the constitution and clubs’ agreement set up three years ago. Aside from seeking additional money, the clubs believe they have a right to at least one vote on who makes-up the commission.

 

[insert.pause]

That's some half arsed research by fat head, it's not 75%!

 

[Perth Red]

Simple response from nrl. If your unhappy hand back your license and well replace you with someone else. There's a reason they're called the "independent" commission.

 

[The Great Dane]

This is a nothing story, even if the Sydney clubs (- the Tigers) want to force some sort of change (which I've seen no hard evidence to show that any of them do, apart from some stuff that Politis has said, but he can only really speak for 1 club) they don't have the numbers.

The Titans, Tigers, Newcastle and Melbourne will all vote in the NRL/ARLCs' favor for at least financial reasons alone, and Jim Doyle will see that the Warriors vote in their favor.

Brisbane, NQ , Canberra and the QRL all have their problems with the the NRL and the ARLC, but they also realize that the ARLC won't have the opportunity to put much significant change that really effects them into effect until the next TV rights agreement is negotiated and comes into effect, they also remember how things were last time that the Sydney clubs had more then their fair say in the control of the game and going back to a situation where a handful of powerful and bias Sydneysiders run the sport in this country wouldn't be in any of their interests.

 

[Perth Red]

BRONCOS coach Wayne Bennett has called for the NRL to axe the under-20s competition to deliver a $1 million windfall for club bosses threatening a revolt against the ARL Commission.

A Sydney-based faction is turning up the heat on the code’s governing body, with Roosters patriarch Nick Politis and Penrith supremo Phil Gould leading a backlash over the NRL’s funding structure.

NRL outfits receive $7.5 million annually from League Central, which distributes $120 million of its total $330m purse to the 16 clubs.
That equates to a 36 per cent funding allocation, but Politis and his rebel faction, which includes bosses at Canterbury, Souths, Cronulla and Parramatta, believe NRL clubs deserve a greater slice of the revenue pie
However, the NRL found unlikely support from Bennett, who has regularly butted heads with the governing body and famously backed the Super League breakaway movement 20 years ago.

The code’s most successful coach had a simple solution for NRL bosses demanding more money, calling for the under-20s competition to be axed to save clubs $1 million annually.

“The clubs have never been better off, they have never got more money from the game,” Bennett said.

“I don’t have a lot of sympathy for the clubs in the sense that there is $7.5 million they get paid now.

“But if the clubs want to save money they (the NRL) can just cut the under-20s competition out, there is a million dollars there for every club.

http://www.perthnow.com.au/sport/nr...s-want-more-cash/story-fniabm4k-1227383600267

 

[Lockyer4President!]

BRONCOS coach Wayne Bennett has called for the NRL to axe the under-20s competition to deliver a $1 million windfall for club bosses threatening a revolt against the ARL Commission.

A Sydney-based faction is turning up the heat on the code’s governing body, with Roosters patriarch Nick Politis and Penrith supremo Phil Gould leading a backlash over the NRL’s funding structure.

NRL outfits receive $7.5 million annually from League Central, which distributes $120 million of its total $330m purse to the 16 clubs.
That equates to a 36 per cent funding allocation, but Politis and his rebel faction, which includes bosses at Canterbury, Souths, Cronulla and Parramatta, believe NRL clubs deserve a greater slice of the revenue pie
However, the NRL found unlikely support from Bennett, who has regularly butted heads with the governing body and famously backed the Super League breakaway movement 20 years ago.

The code’s most successful coach had a simple solution for NRL bosses demanding more money, calling for the under-20s competition to be axed to save clubs $1 million annually.

“The clubs have never been better off, they have never got more money from the game,” Bennett said.

“I don’t have a lot of sympathy for the clubs in the sense that there is $7.5 million they get paid now.

“But if the clubs want to save money they (the NRL) can just cut the under-20s competition out, there is a million dollars there for every club.

http://www.perthnow.com.au/sport/nr...s-want-more-cash/story-fniabm4k-1227383600267

I thought dropping the NYC was already on the cards after this tv deal finished. Or is Bennet suggesting it gets axed before that?

 

[BuffaloRules]

Why would Bennett propose dropping the NYC?

Doesn't this add more to the game than it costs?

On another note- I think the amount of money getting thrown at the likes DCE over such a long period of time tells you that the clubs believe that the salary cap is on the way up big time...

 

[Perth Red]

I think l he is making the point clubs get a shed of money and if they want more then something has to be lost. Also he has advocated for a shift from u20's to a proper reserve grade before. Maybe the nrl should fund independent u16, u18 and u20 comps with a draft and clubs fund a reserve grade side inc in an expanded salary cap and bigger grant?

 

[Cumberland Throw]

Any grant increase will just go towards the likes of DCe

Does this help RL in anyway. ??

If all top players go from $800k to $1.2m. How does this help the game ?

Clubs basically just funnel the grant to the players.

As soon as grant goes up so will cap

Only benefit is to stop players going to SL or other sports. That's it

Just give them a small rise to say 40%/of revenue and call it a day

 

[insert.pause]

Why would Bennett propose dropping the NYC?

Doesn't this add more to the game than it costs?

On another note- I think the amount of money getting thrown at the likes DCE over such a long period of time tells you that the clubs believe that the salary cap is on the way up big time...

doubt it, it costs clubs over a million each year with travel, accommodation, scouting, training, coaching, welfare etc. The QRL want it scrapped. Get rid of it and it takes that cost burden off clubs, who would then still complain they don't receive enough of games revenue.

 

[BuffaloRules]

doubt it, it costs clubs over a million each year with travel, accommodation, scouting, training, coaching, welfare etc. The QRL want it scrapped. Get rid of it and it takes that cost burden off clubs, who would then still complain they don't receive enough of games revenue.

I was talking about the U20's as a means of developing elite young kids into the games future professionals...

Where do they develop otherwise? And who pays for that?

 

[Lockyer4President!]

I was talking about the U20's as a means of developing elite young kids into the games future professionals...

Where do they develop otherwise? And who pays for that?

QLD Cup/NSW Cup like some clubs are already doing? It'd make the developmental pathways more direct/simpler.

NRL clubs would probably be happy as it'd spread more of the cost around to the 26 QLD/NSW Cup clubs too.