Anthony Griffin

[Pomoz]

Sweet, any in the last decade or 2?

Panthers 2003. Tigers 2005.

 

[mxlegend99]

How many current players would be playing elsewhere to keep Soward and Seg though? I am fine with our squad. I hope the new coach doesn't make many changes

We wouldn't have signed Hardaker. Oh no.

 

[flash]

Just catching up on the interview "KFC and run around the oval" is a good quote except they must have changed chicken tastes over the years as I seen some players at Frango in their training gear earlier in the year.

 

[darkbloom]

Supposedly they stole Pascoe from us while under contract. He claims we fired him though.

I don't really recall that situation. But they hzve a history of contracts meaning shit. Just like we do.

Panthers provided Pascoe with an incentive to negotiate with the Tigers - he was unwanted.

 

[Pomoz]

Then why didn’t we keep Cleary??

If all these juniors were already coming through & there was no issue blooding them, why did we specifically go out & select a coach known for developing juniors & bringing them into first grade?

Seems a bit strange to do that if everything was rosey as you say it was.

This is true and Gus specifically mentioned Hooks skill at developing players when he hired him. Hook has certainly delivered on that front and deserves the utmost praise. He is 3 for 3 and deserve plaudits for that. Now, could he take it to the next level and build a premiership winning team?

On that front the signs were not good. As the other team's fitness improved during the year, reducing the value of one of our key strengths, we have started to struggle. I didn't think he would get us to Storm level, but to be fair he didn't have a Smith or Slater in his team either.

 

[TheFrog]

On that front the signs were not good. As the other team's fitness improved during the year, reducing the value of one of our key strengths, we have started to struggle. I didn't think he would get us to Storm level, but to be fair he didn't have a Smith or Slater in his team either.

If it's sackable 4 weeks out from the finals to not be as good as the Storm, there are at least a dozen other coaches who must be watching out for the knife coming.

 

[OldPanther]

If it's sackable 4 weeks out from the finals to not be as good as the Storm, there are at least a dozen other coaches who must be watching out for the knife coming.

We know there is more to it then that.

 

[martielang]

This is true and Gus specifically mentioned Hooks skill at developing players when he hired him. Hook has certainly delivered on that front and deserves the utmost praise. He is 3 for 3 and deserve plaudits for that. Now, could he take it to the next level and build a premiership winning team?

On that front the signs were not good. As the other team's fitness improved during the year, reducing the value of one of our key strengths, we have started to struggle. I didn't think he would get us to Storm level, but to be fair he didn't have a Smith or Slater in his team either.

Yep, well said.

My issue is with people changing the back story as to why we brought him here in the first place. There were clearly issues with our 'pathways' when he came here, hence why we headhunted him in the first place. Our first grade side is now flush with juniors, something we all wanted. He's done a sensational job bringing through the kids, regardless of whether he can coach or was universally liked.

 

[martielang]

We know there is more to it then that.

Do we really want our GM making decisions based on a personal issue? Because i dont think our results suggest Hook should of been sacked (at this stage of the year) when we have every chance of securing a top 4 spot.

No issue if he was punted at the end of the year.

 

[Pomoz]

If it's sackable 4 weeks out from the finals to not be as good as the Storm, there are at least a dozen other coaches who must be watching out for the knife coming.

And so they should. I don't think the club did anything bad by telling Hook his services wouldn't be wanted next year. Depending on who you believe he:

a)spat his dummy and said, fine Im off now then, f*ck you and your horse;
b) was told to leave now because the board had lost faith in him.

Option b) was a strange thing to do so close to the finals and also unfair to take away Hooks opportunity to take the team through the semis after all his hard work. That said, nobody on here knows how bad morale at the club was. Maybe it was at crisis point. Lots of judgements being made, but we don't have the information the board has.

Maybe Daz will know which one it was?

 

[betcats]

Do we really want our GM making decisions based on a personal issue? Because i dont think our results suggest Hook should of been sacked (at this stage of the year) when we have every chance of securing a top 4 spot.

No issue if he was punted at the end of the year.

The board pulled the trigger now. The board contacted Cleary initially.

 

[betcats]

Yep, well said.

My issue is with people changing the back story as to why we brought him here in the first place. There were clearly issues with our 'pathways' when he came here, hence why we headhunted him in the first place. Our first grade side is now flush with juniors, something we all wanted. He's done a sensational job bringing through the kids, regardless of whether he can coach or was universally liked.

What are the clear issues with our pathways? Point them out if it’s so clear.

Headhunted? From where?? He was on couch doing nothing, he had no job. Talk about changing the backstory.

No one is denying he was good at preparing the kids, that doesn’t mean we brought him in to fix our lower grade pathways like he has claimed. That’s totally ludicrous, the lower grades were already on fire and feeding into the nrl team. f**k you just eat this fools words up don’t you.

 

[OldPanther]

Do we really want our GM making decisions based on a personal issue? Because i dont think our results suggest Hook should of been sacked (at this stage of the year) when we have every chance of securing a top 4 spot.

No issue if he was punted at the end of the year.

All reports including from Daz are that Griffin couldn't maintain a working relationship with staff and players.

Throw that in with all the talk of Ivan replacing him once Ivan says he had a meeting and no way can we trust that Griffin would be in the right frame of mind to lead us through a finals campaign.

 

[jane the pain]

https:///im-not-here-to-bullst-griffin-hits-back-panthers-35450/

 

[martielang]

All reports including from Daz are that Griffin couldn't maintain a working relationship with staff and players.

Throw that in with all the talk of Ivan replacing him once Ivan says he had a meeting and no way can we trust that Griffin would be in the right frame of mind to lead us through a finals campaign.

If you've maintained a relationship for 20 weeks of the season (& the 2 years before that) & you're running 4th, i reckon you could pull it together for a couple more weeks.

The only current player to speak about the situation was Maloney. He said he had no issue with Griffin & wasn't aware of any other players in the squad that did have an issue.

 

[TheFrog]

This is the key factor about hook. Can’t coach attack.

Perhaps this is so. But sacking him 4 weeks out from the finals is throwing out the baby with the bathwater. Isn't attack Ciraldo's department anyway? If not, you bring someone in. And looking at the ladder, we are 5th in points for, the same as our position. Defence seems to be more the problem in recent times.

If you've maintained a relationship for 20 weeks of the season (& the 2 years before that) & you're running 4th, i reckon you could pull it together for a couple more weeks.

Gus's reasons for needing to sack Griffin now do not pass the logic test. A phone call to Ivan Cleary could have avoided him talking to his management and thus the situation getting into the media.

 

[martielang]

What are the clear issues with our pathways? Point them out if it’s so clear.

Headhunted? From where?? He was on couch doing nothing, he had no job. Talk about changing the backstory.

No one is denying he was good at preparing the kids, that doesn’t mean we brought him in to fix our lower grade pathways like he has claimed. That’s totally ludicrous, the lower grades were already on fire and feeding into the nrl team. f**k you just eat this fools words up don’t you.

Umm he was hired without an interview process. Gus only wanted him, so he was headhunted. I think he was working with Redcliffe at the time.

It's ludicrous to suggest a coach (without the best result record) whose main strength is well known to be junior development & promoting youth, was signed to help with our junior development & promoting youth. OK.

 

[betcats]

Umm he was hired without an interview process. Gus only wanted him, so he was headhunted. I think he was working with Redcliffe at the time.

It's ludicrous to suggest a coach (without the best result record) whose main strength is well known to be junior development & promoting youth, was signed to help with our junior development & promoting youth. OK.

Point out the "clear issues with our pathways"

 

[OldPanther]

If you've maintained a relationship for 20 weeks of the season (& the 2 years before that) & you're running 4th, i reckon you could pull it together for a couple more weeks.

The only current player to speak about the situation was Maloney. He said he had no issue with Griffin & wasn't aware of any other players in the squad that did have an issue.

But that's only half of what I said. He'd also have to deal with knowing Ivan was trying to come back. It might not be a problem for him but are you going to risk a possible premiership on it? The club doesn't seem to want to.

 

[herbert henry1908]

Perhaps this is so. But sacking him 4 weeks out from the finals is throwing out the baby with the bathwater. Isn't attack Ciraldo's department anyway? If not, you bring someone in. And looking at the ladder, we are 5th in points for, the same as our position. Defence seems to be more the problem in recent times.

I’ve said numerous times I think the timing was poor.

In regards to Ciraldo, if Gus is to be believed and I think Hook basically confirmed this, Hook liked to do most of the coaching himself.

The problem with our attack is the lack of set plays, we have the 4th worst attack in the final 20. That’s fodder for a good defensive team.

Defence I’m not sure what’s going on, because it was good for the first 14 rounds & then completely fell apart.