Anthony Griffin

[martielang]

He hasn't won a premiership or even gone close. So he has achieved less than every coach who has.

What has that even got to do with his comment?

We’re in a much better now then when he started.

 

[mxlegend99]

What has that even got to do with his comment?

We’re in a much better now then when he started.

Actually we were tracking toward a third season of ~6th place and being a non contender in the finals

We were no better when we sacked him then we were in 2016. Actually on form we are far worse. Atleast 2016 we hit our best form coming into finals. Not before the Origin period.

 

[martielang]

We’re about to secure a top 4 spot. The year before he signed we played off for the wooden spoon.

We also have 90% of our squad signed up long term which was all under his watch.

Have an opinion by all means but try & have a bit of logic or common sense behind it.

 

[mxlegend99]

We’re about to secure a top 4 spot. The year before he signed we played off for the wooden spoon.

We also have 90% of our squad signed up long term which was all under his watch.

Have an opinion by all means but try & have a bit of logic or common sense behind it.

We were 5th when Hook left.

2016: 6th
2017: 7th
2018: 5th (with shit form for the past 10 weeks having slid from first)

We released 6 players early from our 2017 squad. 2 of those players were signed up long term. 5 year deals under Hook mean nothing

Supposedly only had guys signing up long term this year on the condition Hook was gone. We conducted multiple season reviews and the consensus among the club from the players, coaching staff snd the board was Hook had to go.

Common sense says if one person is getting offside with everyone else at the club getting rid of him is the right call. We had his back for 2 years while he pushed guys our early and he refused to work with Gus or his colleagues. He should have been sacked 12 months ago. Gould has a huge ego though and doubled down on his mistake believing he could make it work. Hook refused though.

 

[jane the pain]

We were 5th when Hook left.

2016: 6th
2017: 7th
2018: 5th (with shit form for the past 10 weeks having slid from first)

We released 6 players early from our 2017 squad. 2 of those players were signed up long term. 5 year deals under Hook mean nothing

Supposedly only had guys signing up long term this year on the condition Hook was gone. We conducted multiple season reviews and the consensus among the club from the players, coaching staff snd the board was Hook had to go.

Common sense says if one person is getting offside with everyone else at the club getting rid of him is the right call. We had his back for 2 years while he pushed guys our early and he refused to work with Gus or his colleagues. He should have been sacked 12 months ago. Gould has a huge ego though and doubled down on his mistake believing he could make it work. Hook refused though.

Matt Moylan, and Bryce Cartwright, had to leave. Matt Moylan could have been man enough to put aside his hatred towards Hook, and also his behaviour after he broke team rules, justified that. Bryce, well looked at his past.

 

[mxlegend99]

Matt Moylan, and Bryce Cartwright, had to leave. Matt Moylan could have been man enough to put aside his hatred towards Hook, and also his behaviour after he broke team rules, justified that. Bryce, well looked at his past.

We had 2 long term players who HAD to leave under contract with Hook. In his 3 years with us that happened to a lot of players for various reasons.

Thats the point. Why brag about locking up players longterm under Hook when so many leave early anyway? Hook cant get along eith a lot of players because he doesn't know how to manage different personalities

 

[jane the pain]

We had 2 long term players who HAD to leave under contract with Hook. In his 3 years with us that happened to a lot of players for various reasons.

Thats the point. Why brag about locking up players longterm under Hook when so many leave early anyway? Hook cant get along eith a lot of players because he doesn't know how to manage different personalities

I can't remember the other players?

 

[martielang]

I’m a bit confused, are you saying you’re dirty about the side we have now? You think it’s a poor squad?? Because if you aren’t, then it’s a positive thing he pushed out a couple of players early because we wouldn’t have the same squad if he didn’t.

The last 10 weeks, does that include the 2 byes as well as arguably the two better wins (v warriors & dragons) of any team this season? So really it’s probably 6 weeks (at the very worst) of poor football & we won 50% of those games through the origin period, so once again, slightly dramatic.

You also can’t say he finished 5th this year. He had his legs chopped out from him with two easy games in front of him, a winnable game & a hard game. He wins at least 2 of them, likely 3 coming into Melbourne. That secures top 4, maybe even 3rd. Given our injury toll, anything top 6 was an excellent result, we’d still be tracking up if that’s where we finished under him. I agree with you, not pretty football all of the time but the team has more heart then it ever has.

I’m not saying you have to love the bloke, far from it, but if you’d rather be where we were 3 years ago then now, you need to get your head read.

 

[mxlegend99]

I can't remember the other players?

Top 25 players released eatly off the top of my head:

2016:
Elijah Taylor
Jamie Soward
James Segeyaro

2017:
Matt Moylan
Bryce Cartwright
Te Maire-Martin
Peta Hiku
Mitch Rein
Leilani Latu

2018:
Tyrone Peachey

That's not including guys outside the top 25 who left. Letting players like MWZ, Oldfield etc. Leave for a better opportunity is different to not getting along with top squad players. Hook just clashes with so many personalities. Maybe not immediately. But it definitely wears people down.

A head coach needs to learn people skills and be able to know what players need a different approach

 

[mxlegend99]

I’m a bit confused,

About the only thing you got right.

Congratulations. You have his back when none of his coaching staff or players did. You think he was doing a good job when Gus and the board didn't. If he's as good as you think, he will get another job and prove it.

My money is on a decent team not wanting him next time though. So he won't be able to fallback on the results of a roster that can win after throwing his 'game plan' out the window. Or the resources to keep a good roster on the park when he pushes player after player out of the club.

 

[OldPanther]

Tigers are handling Raiders comfortably.

 

[darkbloom]

He wasn't a great strategist, so what? Big deal, he has still achieved more than most other coaches in Panther's history and most other coaches in the NRL. Ultimately, his lack of a strategic brain and his inability as a leader to use somebody to help him who does, are the limitations that stop him going to the next level.

He hasn't won a premiership or even gone close. So he has achieved less than every coach who has.

Profound statement MX but on your own criteria Pomoz is right, Hook has done more than most other coaches in Penriths history and also most other coaches in the NRL

 

[mxlegend99]

Profound statement MX but on your own criteria Pomoz is right, Hook has done more than most other coaches in Penriths history and also most other coaches in the NRL

He said he has achieved more than most other coaches in the NRL.

I automatically put him behind every coach who won a premiership. And for us any coach who took a team further.

That's before considering the vastly superior resources he had.

 

[OldPanther]

Have a look at our game Vs Raiders compared to Tigers. You have your answer.

 

[jane the pain]

Top 25 players released eatly off the top of my head:

2016:
Elijah Taylor
Jamie Soward
James Segeyaro

2017:
Matt Moylan
Bryce Cartwright
Te Maire-Martin
Peta Hiku
Mitch Rein
Leilani Latu

2018:
Tyrone Peachey

That's not including guys outside the top 25 who left. Letting players like MWZ, Oldfield etc. Leave for a better opportunity is different to not getting along with top squad players. Hook just clashes with so many personalities. Maybe not immediately. But it definitely wears people down.

A head coach needs to learn people skills and be able to know what players need a different approach

2016 loses are no big deal. Te Maire-Martin had to leave Sydney, for his own sake, if the rumours are true. The other players are no loss. 2018 Tyrone Peachey left to cement a starting spot.

 

[unKwn]

Have a look at our game Vs Raiders compared to Tigers. You have your answer.

was thinking the same thing

 

[jane the pain]

Have a look at our game Vs Raiders compared to Tigers. You have your answer.

You lost me?

 

[OldPanther]

You lost me?

Same team the Tigers are handling easily while we had to let them get tired and use a few naturally talented players to run over them.

 

[BxTom]

Same team the Tigers are handling easily while we had to let them get tired and use a few naturally talented players to run over them.

Which means that any team that beat the Tigers are better than us too. Like the Knights and the Eels that beat them in the earlier rounds, but we beat? By your simple logic the Raiders are better than themselves too because they flogged them 48-12 earlier too.

 

[Exsilium]

Tigers are handling Raiders comfortably.

Really comfortable. Should go on to win after having a 14 point lead....nekminute