Anthony Griffin

[TheFrog]

Last night we had Hodges on TV saying Gus used to undermine Ricky Stuart at the Roosters.

 

[Panther_Daz]

Last night we had Hodges on TV saying Gus used to undermine Ricky Stuart at the Roosters.

Nice of Ricky to listen to Gus then, because that period at the Roosters is the only success he has ever had as a coach.

 

[TheFrog]

Nice of Ricky to listen to Gus then, because that period at the Roosters is the only success he has ever had as a coach.

If success is only measured by winning the premiership, quite correct.

You handpick someone to do a job, and then you start to tell them how to do that job, which is certainly how it appears in both cases, it's a bit disrespectful and not surprising they'd get their back up.

 

[billypilgrimnz]

If success is only measured by winning the premiership, quite correct.

In Stuart's case, there is no possible other metric for success he can be measured on.

 

[TheFrog]

In Stuart's case, there is no possible other metric for success he can be measured on.

Look I don't like him either but he was entitled to coach the team without interference.

 

[billypilgrimnz]

The players were going to Ciraldo more over the past few months and bypassing Hook.

I also mentioned last week that the players have been told they are no longer required to defend Hook publicly.

Then the question remains - were they going to Ciraldo for translations of what Griffin wanted, or was Ciraldo giving them his own instructions? If it is the latter, you would have expected Griffin to walk a lot sooner if he didn't have any say in the team, and it wouldn't speak well to Ciraldo's coaching if he is responsible for the last two months of performances.

You have to assume it was the former?

 

[billypilgrimnz]

Look I don't like him either but he was entitled to coach the team without interference.

The Sharks, Eels, and Raiders are reaping/reaped the rewards of that, didn't they?

 

[OldPanther]

If success is only measured by winning the premiership, quite correct.

You handpick someone to do a job, and then you start to tell them how to do that job, which is certainly how it appears in both cases, it's a bit disrespectful and not surprising they'd get their back up.

Ricky has a pattern. Good first year followed by crash and burn. Done it at multiple clubs so I'd say Gus isn't his problem

 

[OldPanther]

Then the question remains - were they going to Ciraldo for translations of what Griffin wanted, or was Ciraldo giving them his own instructions? If it is the latter, you would have expected Griffin to walk a lot sooner if he didn't have any say in the team, and it wouldn't speak well to Ciraldo's coaching if he is responsible for the last two months of performances.

You have to assume it was the former?

This is my concern. Is Ciraldo the reason for the form slump with bad coaching. Sure hope not.

 

[Pomoz]

Why does somebody giving advice to a coach with less experience, undermine them? It is that type of attitude that is bad for a club, it stops people collaborating. If Gus wants to coach, why wouldn't he just apply for the positions that come up? Makes no sense to me.

 

[TheFrog]

Ricky has a pattern. Good first year followed by crash and burn. Done it at multiple clubs so I'd say Gus isn't his problem

Not any more. Nor is he Hook's any more. Or Cleary.

 

[franklin2323]

Last night we had Hodges on TV saying Gus used to undermine Ricky Stuart at the Roosters.

Seems what is happening right here.

 

[franklin2323]

Why does somebody giving advice to a coach with less experience, undermine them? It is that type of attitude that is bad for a club, it stops people collaborating. If Gus wants to coach, why wouldn't he just apply for the positions that come up? Makes no sense to me.

Plenty of what Gus does doesn't make sense.

He should just coach if he wants that

 

[franklin2323]

Yeah I remember. Fair enough. Hope that's a good thing for while he's coaching.

Except we played the same with just Ciraldo in charge..Maybe he was why we were struggling? I guess time will tell

 

[OldPanther]

Except we played the same with just Ciraldo in charge..Maybe he was why we were struggling? I guess time will tell

I hope not. Though 1 game isn't enough. I gave Griffin 3 years and even then I feel so mixed on him. so I'll be fair on Ciro.

 

[Aliceinwonderland]

The players were going to Ciraldo more over the past few months and bypassing Hook.

I also mentioned last week that the players have been told they are no longer required to defend Hook publicly.

So the gloves are off now.

 

[mxlegend99]

Look I don't like him either but he was entitled to coach the team without interference.

He was a young coach at the time and that 'interference' helped him coach Roosters yo a premiership.

Hook refused to work with him here and for all we know that could have stopped us winning a premiership.

Coaches need to use all the resources available to them. The few times Gus has supposedly helped him have been the best periods of the past few years.

 

[betcats]

Look I don't like him either but he was entitled to coach the team without interference.

Maybe 30 years ago.

Coaching at this professional level has changed now. Why would we put millions of dollars worth of talent in the hands of one guy and let him run the show on his own? We have doctors, physios, assistants and trainers for a reason. It’s not to undermine the coach.

Coaching staffs are big for a reason, a head coach who wants micromanage his team is a thing of the past.

It’s mindboggling that people think hook or any coach should have free reign to do as he pleases. How did that work out for the dogs and Hasler?

 

[TheFrog]

Hook refused to work with him here and for all we know that could have stopped us winning a premiership.

What we are hearing is that Gus was telling the coach which players to pick. This is going beyond what is reasonable.

 

[franklin2323]

I hope not. Though 1 game isn't enough. I gave Griffin 3 years and even then I feel so mixed on him. so I'll be fair on Ciro.

I am thinking more to too many cooks type of thing. I want our coach left to do their thing.