Anthony Griffin

[betcats]

He was given millions in resources and refused it to the detriment of the team.

Yep plus he got the squad he wanted, he had so much talent to play with. We moved on Sowie, Seggy, Moylan, Carty amongst others for Hook. We backed him to the hilt and he didn't deliver.

 

[betcats]

Do you think this investment - paying out 2 years to Griffin - will generate more revenue? Even indirectly?

So far, with all the investment, the only revenues that have gone up significantly has been the NRL grant. A good rise in Membership has not translated AT ALL to game day attendances or revenue. Increases in sponsorship have not been dramatic and in any case there has been an equivalent increase in servicing costs.

The thing that has improved significantly is the NRL roster, the development systems and all things related to placing a team on the field. That has been superb.

But it is a volatile game and good structures for players, does not necessarily lead to financial stability.

Don't worry though - there will be no flagging on spending while Gus is in charge.

Im not talking about the payout, im talking about the investment in facilities and juniors which is already paying off. Also they negotiated a settlement so its not the full amount.

 

[franklin2323]

A good worker who can't get along with anyone is useless.

Hardly the 1st person to fallout with Gus though.

 

[franklin2323]

Martie has to say something, he spent years rubbishing any suggesting Hook had people offside, now he looks like an idiot.

I don't feel for hook at all, he was given every chance here to succeed. They backed him over Moylan and even gave him an extension he hadn't earned to show faith and he still remained a stubborn asshole.

No they backed Cleary over Moylan. The story goes Moylan stormed in to Gus and said either Cleary goes or he goes... That is what caused the player rift apparently

 

[betcats]

No they backed Cleary over Moylan. The story goes Moylan stormed in to Gus and said either Cleary goes or he goes... That is what caused the player rift apparently

So you believe that story but refused to believe the constant rumours of griffin not getting on with people. It was reported Griffin was the one Moylan didn't get on with, ive never heard that story anywhere else, im sure you have run that story on these forums except Moylan was demanding hook go.

 

[darkbloom]

Im not talking about the payout, im talking about the investment in facilities and juniors which is already paying off. Also they negotiated a settlement so its not the full amount.

Really, the investment is paying off - you mean financially. What has been the ROI in your opinion. I can't see any yet - not financially. I may be looking in the wrong places.

 

[BxTom]

Using the contract extension as an incentive to get Griffin to agree to changing his coaching practice would have been a terrible f**king idea if that is what actually happened.

I mean, basically, they would have went to Griffin in 2017 and said:

Club: We don't like the way you are coaching at the moment.
Griffin: *Monosyllabic grunt*
Club: If you don't delegate more, we can't offer you a new contract and you'll be unemployed in 2019.
Griffin: *Monosyllabic grunt*
Club: But, if you agree to delegate more in the future, you can sign an extension right now! That way, when you ignore us and just continue doing what you are doing like you always have, we have to actually sack you and pay you out in the high 6 figures, even more! Doesn't that sound like a great deal?
Griffin: Okay, I'll delegate more. Cross my heart and hope to die.
Club: Fantastic. Sign here!

I agree, this excuse for extending the contract doesn't quite add up.

 

[franklin2323]

So you believe that story but refused to believe the constant rumours of griffin not getting on with people. It was reported Griffin was the one Moylan didn't get on with, ive never heard that story anywhere else, im sure you have run that story on these forums except Moylan was demanding hook go.

Do you honestly think it was just one thing with Moylan? If you believe Gus he had doubts about hook 12-18 months ago. So why would he take the coaches side over players in that situation? Especially if several players had the same feelings?

 

[betcats]

Really, the investment is paying off - you mean financially. What has been the ROI in your opinion. I can't see any yet - not financially. I may be looking in the wrong places.

I didn't say it was paying off financially. You've been running an anti gould agenda since we hired him mate I haven't forgotten, im not going into detailed discussions with you.

If you cant see the ROI we are getting from investing in the juniors you're an idiot, straight up.

 

[betcats]

Do you honestly think it was just one thing with Moylan? If you believe Gus he had doubts about hook 12-18 months ago. So why would he take the coaches side over players in that situation? Especially if several players had the same feelings?

Cleary and Moylan still like each other’s pics on social media, in fact Moylan atill engages with lots of his former team mates on social media so I’m calling bullshit on that story.

Maybe there was a problem with the senior players I don’t know but I don’t believe the Cleary story one bit.

 

[The Realist]

Everyone seems to have the goss now but from what i was told he gave control to others at the beginning of the year (as per contract agreement) but it got to the point that he essentially had no control over the squad picked each week. His final act of defiance was picking Peach at 1.

I honestly feel for the bloke. Majority doubted his appointment & were looking for blood since day dot. Despite what others say he's done a great job of blooding the right players at the right time & our club will be better for the long term because of it.

I hope Hook gets a job at Cronulla & sacks Matty Moylan again.

Griffin has done some very good work blooding and developing very promising players and new stars. But he has also done some damage, and to be very honest given the squad and how stacked it was and still is, he has wildly under performed. This year was THE year to strike with our squad. It has never been this stacked, and won't be for another mini generation (5-10 years) if ever. It will only get weaker from here.

If we don't have some great success to 'encourage' players to stay on 'unders' the squad will only get weaker as our talented juniors (Cleary, Waqa, Yeo, Laui etc) start getting upgrades closer to market value.

Our squad depth and talent is already quite a bit thinner this year than last and next year, more than 1 injury to our backline will cause immediate headaches. With Peachy gone we will also lose quite a bit of flexibility...and lets be honest...Peachey alone has played a huge role in many of our comebacks this year. He won't be around to paper over our cracks next year.

Regarding Moylan....LOL

 

[Panther Pete]

I am genuinely interested to know from anyone on here if you think our chances of winning the comp this year are now better or worse today than what they were yesterday morning before Griffin was sacked?

 

[franklin2323]

Cleary and Moylan still like each other’s pics on social media, in fact Moylan atill engages with lots of his former team mates on social media so I’m calling bullshit on that story.

Maybe there was a problem with the senior players I don’t know but I don’t believe the Cleary story one bit.

We never did get told what the rehab was for. Surely one day someone will unleash the goss

 

[betcats]

We never did get told what the rehab was for. Surely one day someone will unleash the goss

Maybe. I’ve got no doubt moylans attitude got bad by the end of last year, I’m just not convinced there was much more in it than him and Hook not getting on.

 

[TheFrog]

But he has also done some damage, and to be very honest given the squad and how stacked it was and still is, he has wildly under performed.

The injury list has played a big part in the way this year has panned out.

 

[TheFrog]

We moved on Sowie, Seggy, Moylan, Carty amongst others for Hook.

Probably Latu as well. Looking at that list we should be thanking him. It's not like any of them are setting the world on fire form-wise. Segs and Matty have their moments at the Sharks but thats all.

 

[betcats]

Probably Latu as well. Looking at that list we should be thanking him. It's not like any of them are setting the world on fire form-wise. Segs and Matty have their moments at the Sharks but thats all.

Latu is on Maloney.

The point is he had what he wanted and still was average, the game plans he forced on the squad was being thrown out by them during games.

You can froth on Hooks winning percentage all you like but our performances were never convincing except when one of our talents(usually Moylan) was going bananas. We were winning games in spite of Griffin, not because of him.

 

[herbert henry1908]

I am genuinely interested to know from anyone on here if you think our chances of winning the comp this year are now better or worse today than what they were yesterday morning before Griffin was sacked?

I think they’re better, for the simple reason Griffin hasn’t shown he’s capable of beating the really top teams. This is on the presumption Gould takes a heavy influence over coaching.

 

[TheFrog]

The point is he had what he wanted and still was average, the game plans he forced on the squad was being thrown out by them during games.

The other day, in his last match, he said that he planned to overcome the Raiders once the whistle stopped blowing and play became more flowing, which is exactly what happened.

Something Gus said in his statement today makes it clear what a bullshit artist he is. He said he is not interested in winning the premiership. Only in developing juniors. I guess that means juniors who will win premierships at other clubs.

Then he says Griffin could not win a premiership.

 

[betcats]

The other day, in his last match, he said that he planned to overcome the Raiders once the whistle stopped blowing and play became more flowing, which is exactly what happened.

He said that in hindsight did he? You realise he probably knew he was gone by that point. Did you notice the difference in Clearys kicking? First 40/20 since his NYC days apparently, he hasn't even been attempting them and all of sudden he almost nails two in one game.

I'm sorry but its as good as fact that they were throwing his game plan out. Watching the games I could see it and its now being widely reported, Gus said as much after the Manly game.