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ARLC Commission Changes

El Diablo

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Fat Pat has his say. some of it is just his usual Rugby League hate but he does make sense in other parts

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/spo...t/news-story/1dbdc0c1516e9bf46e2e107da562d07a

As self-interest cripples NRL, it’s time for an outsider to save it

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For the toppling code of rugby league, the State of Origin series could not have come at a better time. The state versus state extravaganza will arrive tonight with its intoxicating mix of sport, theatre and mayhem.

Rarely is it not compelling viewing. These pages will runneth over with news and analysis, colour and pictures. Words will be invented by commentators who ignore the natural speed limits of the language and crash one adjective into another.

A pile-up ensues.

Victorian support swung behind NSW the moment Queensland selectors could not find a place for Melbourne Storm’s Billy Slater.

For the uncommitted fan, the great man’s omission was as idiotic as it was disappointing.

But it is the timing that is so sweet. Conveniently, the first Origin match will camouflage what can be seen perhaps as the beginning of an irreversible slide by the once mighty sport towards, if not irrelevancy then a shrinking shadow of what it might once have commanded.

Rugby league is riven by self-interest and in freefall because its leadership has neither the strength nor wherewithal to support or halt it.

The crisis could not be better captured than yesterday’s court appearance by Damian Keogh, the former chairman of Cronulla. The former Australian Boomers basketballer announced he would relinquish the chairmanship of last season’s grand final-winning club after he was handed an 18-month good behaviour bond for cocaine possession. He pleaded guilty to the charge.

Keogh was charged on May 5 with possessing a prohibited drug after Rin Tin Tin and police searched patrons in a Woolloomooloo pub.

At the time Keogh immediately stood down from the chairmanship but did not relinquish it even though he told arresting police the drug was cocaine.

The only reason for not stepping away altogether can be that Keogh, a successful businessman, thought ultimately that he did not have to.

If, indeed, that is the case then it gives clarity to why rugby league is dysfunctional. There is an entrenched culture of self-interest or, at best, an ignorance of what generates corporate good health.

Keogh was remorseful outside the court. “With regards to the Sharks, I have decided to step down entirely from the board,” Keogh said. “I recognise my ongoing involvement with the club has the potential to be an unnecessary distraction.”

A distraction? Dear God. It is much more than that. It is a ravine of a breach of trust, immediately cutting him off from his club board and administration, his players and supporters and the competition as a whole.

The NRL has a poor attitude to illicit drugs, one that might even border on a dangerous culture. Keogh’s predicament merely stamped that to be true.

The league has established a strict code for players with heavy penalties. And the chair of last year’s premiers has been caught in possession of cocaine. And he pondered “do I or don’t I step away?”

Rugby league is rattled, short of money and its credibility fast dissolving. The commission chairman, John Grant, writes angry emails at 2.45am. It is claimed but unproved that chief executive Todd Greenberg ran financial distribution plans by the clubs before the commission knew about it. Otherwise it is hard to see where Greenberg has left his mark.

Clubs are split, aligned then split again before you can finish breakfast. Some are represented by men who have been there too long. Nick Politis, chair of the Sydney Roosters, is one and he needs to walk away.

Grant, well-intentioned, is not a strong leader and appears too malleable. He condones club demands to have seats on the allegedly impartial ARL board. So much for independent decision-making.

With the commission itself compromised, the clubs motivated mostly by self-interest, financial plans offered and withdrawn, a meek chief executive and now a player payment push for a billion bullion the league is clogged thick by selfishness.

By the day the sport retracts further and further from its potential.

The heart of the problem is inherent. The NRL is not talented enough to run the code and the club officials lack the expertise to do anything about it. A crippling deficiency. They desperately need outside help. They need Andrew Demetriou.
 

Nice Beaver

First Grade
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It's like working at a sweatshop and having to pay to use the sowing machine, I wonder if they have to pay for skills classes with the trainers?

I know, right?

That just cannot be true or correct in any way shape or form.

Penrith build a $20 million Centre of Excellence then show prospective players through....."Come and check out the new facilities - can you pay $20 admission fee though?"

FMD
 

Eion

First Grade
Messages
8,033
Fat Pat has his say. some of it is just his usual Rugby League hate but he does make sense in other parts

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/spo...t/news-story/1dbdc0c1516e9bf46e2e107da562d07a

As self-interest cripples NRL, it’s time for an outsider to save it

origin:video_integrator.EwZTBlYjE6G4jii3WIxdF0Tpb72CX7PN

For the toppling code of rugby league, the State of Origin series could not have come at a better time. The state versus state extravaganza will arrive tonight with its intoxicating mix of sport, theatre and mayhem.

Rarely is it not compelling viewing. These pages will runneth over with news and analysis, colour and pictures. Words will be invented by commentators who ignore the natural speed limits of the language and crash one adjective into another.

A pile-up ensues.

Victorian support swung behind NSW the moment Queensland selectors could not find a place for Melbourne Storm’s Billy Slater.

For the uncommitted fan, the great man’s omission was as idiotic as it was disappointing.

But it is the timing that is so sweet. Conveniently, the first Origin match will camouflage what can be seen perhaps as the beginning of an irreversible slide by the once mighty sport towards, if not irrelevancy then a shrinking shadow of what it might once have commanded.

Rugby league is riven by self-interest and in freefall because its leadership has neither the strength nor wherewithal to support or halt it.

The crisis could not be better captured than yesterday’s court appearance by Damian Keogh, the former chairman of Cronulla. The former Australian Boomers basketballer announced he would relinquish the chairmanship of last season’s grand final-winning club after he was handed an 18-month good behaviour bond for cocaine possession. He pleaded guilty to the charge.

Keogh was charged on May 5 with possessing a prohibited drug after Rin Tin Tin and police searched patrons in a Woolloomooloo pub.

At the time Keogh immediately stood down from the chairmanship but did not relinquish it even though he told arresting police the drug was cocaine.

The only reason for not stepping away altogether can be that Keogh, a successful businessman, thought ultimately that he did not have to.

If, indeed, that is the case then it gives clarity to why rugby league is dysfunctional. There is an entrenched culture of self-interest or, at best, an ignorance of what generates corporate good health.

Keogh was remorseful outside the court. “With regards to the Sharks, I have decided to step down entirely from the board,” Keogh said. “I recognise my ongoing involvement with the club has the potential to be an unnecessary distraction.”

A distraction? Dear God. It is much more than that. It is a ravine of a breach of trust, immediately cutting him off from his club board and administration, his players and supporters and the competition as a whole.

The NRL has a poor attitude to illicit drugs, one that might even border on a dangerous culture. Keogh’s predicament merely stamped that to be true.

The league has established a strict code for players with heavy penalties. And the chair of last year’s premiers has been caught in possession of cocaine. And he pondered “do I or don’t I step away?”

Rugby league is rattled, short of money and its credibility fast dissolving. The commission chairman, John Grant, writes angry emails at 2.45am. It is claimed but unproved that chief executive Todd Greenberg ran financial distribution plans by the clubs before the commission knew about it. Otherwise it is hard to see where Greenberg has left his mark.

Clubs are split, aligned then split again before you can finish breakfast. Some are represented by men who have been there too long. Nick Politis, chair of the Sydney Roosters, is one and he needs to walk away.

Grant, well-intentioned, is not a strong leader and appears too malleable. He condones club demands to have seats on the allegedly impartial ARL board. So much for independent decision-making.

With the commission itself compromised, the clubs motivated mostly by self-interest, financial plans offered and withdrawn, a meek chief executive and now a player payment push for a billion bullion the league is clogged thick by selfishness.

By the day the sport retracts further and further from its potential.

The heart of the problem is inherent. The NRL is not talented enough to run the code and the club officials lack the expertise to do anything about it. A crippling deficiency. They desperately need outside help. They need Andrew Demetriou.
The same Andrew Demetriou that has most recently overseen the arse dropping out of Capitol Health shares? OK, great idea.

But he is right about one thing. Greenberg and Grant are different cats in many ways, but both equally hopeless in leading the game.
 

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First Grade
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The same Andrew Demetriou that has most recently overseen the arse dropping out of Capitol Health shares? OK, great idea.

But he is right about one thing. Greenberg and Grant are different cats in many ways, but both equally hopeless in leading the game.
and Aquire Learning, he's fast finding out that you can't get away with cheap dodgy business practices in the real world, where optics will actually be scrutinised.
 

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Messages
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Fat Pat has his say. some of it is just his usual Rugby League hate but he does make sense in other parts

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/spo...t/news-story/1dbdc0c1516e9bf46e2e107da562d07a

As self-interest cripples NRL, it’s time for an outsider to save it

origin:video_integrator.EwZTBlYjE6G4jii3WIxdF0Tpb72CX7PN

For the toppling code of rugby league, the State of Origin series could not have come at a better time. The state versus state extravaganza will arrive tonight with its intoxicating mix of sport, theatre and mayhem.

Rarely is it not compelling viewing. These pages will runneth over with news and analysis, colour and pictures. Words will be invented by commentators who ignore the natural speed limits of the language and crash one adjective into another.

A pile-up ensues.

Victorian support swung behind NSW the moment Queensland selectors could not find a place for Melbourne Storm’s Billy Slater.

For the uncommitted fan, the great man’s omission was as idiotic as it was disappointing.

But it is the timing that is so sweet. Conveniently, the first Origin match will camouflage what can be seen perhaps as the beginning of an irreversible slide by the once mighty sport towards, if not irrelevancy then a shrinking shadow of what it might once have commanded.

Rugby league is riven by self-interest and in freefall because its leadership has neither the strength nor wherewithal to support or halt it.

The crisis could not be better captured than yesterday’s court appearance by Damian Keogh, the former chairman of Cronulla. The former Australian Boomers basketballer announced he would relinquish the chairmanship of last season’s grand final-winning club after he was handed an 18-month good behaviour bond for cocaine possession. He pleaded guilty to the charge.

Keogh was charged on May 5 with possessing a prohibited drug after Rin Tin Tin and police searched patrons in a Woolloomooloo pub.

At the time Keogh immediately stood down from the chairmanship but did not relinquish it even though he told arresting police the drug was cocaine.

The only reason for not stepping away altogether can be that Keogh, a successful businessman, thought ultimately that he did not have to.

If, indeed, that is the case then it gives clarity to why rugby league is dysfunctional. There is an entrenched culture of self-interest or, at best, an ignorance of what generates corporate good health.

Keogh was remorseful outside the court. “With regards to the Sharks, I have decided to step down entirely from the board,” Keogh said. “I recognise my ongoing involvement with the club has the potential to be an unnecessary distraction.”

A distraction? Dear God. It is much more than that. It is a ravine of a breach of trust, immediately cutting him off from his club board and administration, his players and supporters and the competition as a whole.

The NRL has a poor attitude to illicit drugs, one that might even border on a dangerous culture. Keogh’s predicament merely stamped that to be true.

The league has established a strict code for players with heavy penalties. And the chair of last year’s premiers has been caught in possession of cocaine. And he pondered “do I or don’t I step away?”

Rugby league is rattled, short of money and its credibility fast dissolving. The commission chairman, John Grant, writes angry emails at 2.45am. It is claimed but unproved that chief executive Todd Greenberg ran financial distribution plans by the clubs before the commission knew about it. Otherwise it is hard to see where Greenberg has left his mark.

Clubs are split, aligned then split again before you can finish breakfast. Some are represented by men who have been there too long. Nick Politis, chair of the Sydney Roosters, is one and he needs to walk away.

Grant, well-intentioned, is not a strong leader and appears too malleable. He condones club demands to have seats on the allegedly impartial ARL board. So much for independent decision-making.

With the commission itself compromised, the clubs motivated mostly by self-interest, financial plans offered and withdrawn, a meek chief executive and now a player payment push for a billion bullion the league is clogged thick by selfishness.

By the day the sport retracts further and further from its potential.

The heart of the problem is inherent. The NRL is not talented enough to run the code and the club officials lack the expertise to do anything about it. A crippling deficiency. They desperately need outside help. They need Andrew Demetriou.
The "talent" at the afl don't have to deal with private ownership, clubs are basically subservient under their license agreements, and the media are gushing fanboys. I will never forget the interview Gilligan did with Alan Jones over ASADA, the parrot had gil shitting himself until he made up some lame excuse that he was on the car phone and couldn't get into detail, but off air he will explain it to him... he had no way to deal with an interview that wasn't dutifully accepting what he was saying.

Fat pat knows nothing about the world outside Victoria and his afl bubble, he's not qualified to be lecturing any sport in the real world.
 

Puntoue

Juniors
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483
What???

The players pay the clubs for use of gym and rehab??

If that's correct then I'll happily retract this statement - what a pile of bullshit!!

And oh no - they have to work on weekends and go to corporate functions. Wow.

Unless it varies from club to club I can tell you that's bullshit. Players don't have to pay for gym use and rehab (unless their injury is non league related, although some clubs still even pay for that)
 
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Unless it varies from club to club I can tell you that's bullshit. Players don't have to pay for gym use and rehab (unless their injury is non league related, although some clubs still even pay for that)

Have to agree with you there. Never heard of this being the case at any NRL club at all.
 

Stormwarrior82

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At the start of the Rlpa/nrl negotiations players come out and said they aren't after money and more about the conditions. It seems there stratergy has since changed.

Over the current tv deal, non broadcast revenue went from $99 mil to $144 mil ($45mil increase). This was during a period of time the players have recently said, "hadn't been made to feel included or apart of the game". So using there words, if the current tv deal doesn't include the players input and there's a $45 mil increase, couldn't you then say that without the players input there is an expectation for the nrl to increase revenue anyway. So revenue increased above expectations should rightfully go to players. There are plenty of other ways players can feel involved in the game other than % of revenue.

I heard Gallen on the radio the other day bringing up a good point. He actually said he thinks the base rookie $80k wage is enough. Because they are rookies!! $80k is a good wage for any apprentice at a job. They shouldn't be on $100k/$120k. And I can't believe I'm saying it but I partly agree.

Maybe a expansion clause in the salary cap might work. Dividing 29% amoungst 18 instead of 16 might help. Hmmm
 

Canard

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The "talent" at the afl don't have to deal with private ownership, clubs are basically subservient under their license agreements, and the media are gushing fanboys. I will never forget the interview Gilligan did with Alan Jones over ASADA, the parrot had gil shitting himself until he made up some lame excuse that he was on the car phone and couldn't get into detail, but off air he will explain it to him... he had no way to deal with an interview that wasn't dutifully accepting what he was saying.

Fat pat knows nothing about the world outside Victoria and his afl bubble, he's not qualified to be lecturing any sport in the real world.

The insinuation that the AFL have a handle on illicit drug use is prime example of what you are saying above there.

Its either laughably naive of Fat Pat or downright disingenuous.
 

taipan

Referee
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Patrick Smith at it again.

Any opportunity this guy gets to rip into the NRL, he leads the charge all guns blazing.
For him to even cite Demetriou as some sort of saviour, when he stuffed up big time in the Essenbong scandal, and the bitterness that still remains to this day.

Yet ASADA's head stated Smith handled the ASADA professionally compared to the AFL.It was handled quickly efficiently and had a short period of public negativity in the media.There was an acceptance of wrong, although the players were not happy.

By contrast the Essdenbong episode played out in the media for ages, accusations flying back and forth many aimed at Demetriou.No wonder he left when he did.

Racism,mysogyny was then and still is a problem within the AFL,and that includes some of the clubs' hierarchy .
The AFLPA has still not concluded their CBA agreement.For Smith to hold up Demetriou and followers as the epitome of all that is administratively good, they are deluded.

Wait now for an article by Richard Bhinds(sic) another AFL tosser ,who is supposedly a NRL expert.News Corp sure employs some.

If they believe drugs is not an issue in the AFL,they ignore the comments of a former Swan's player who stated the complete opposite.
 

Stormwarrior82

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Yeah it's a joke isnt it? I have always wished that one day a well known afl reporter becomes disgruntled and blows the lid on all things afl. And finally comes true with the actual facts of the state of play. It would be an amazing moment.
 
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At the start of the Rlpa/nrl negotiations players come out and said they aren't after money and more about the conditions. It seems there stratergy has since changed.

Over the current tv deal, non broadcast revenue went from $99 mil to $144 mil ($45mil increase). This was during a period of time the players have recently said, "hadn't been made to feel included or apart of the game". So using there words, if the current tv deal doesn't include the players input and there's a $45 mil increase, couldn't you then say that without the players input there is an expectation for the nrl to increase revenue anyway. So revenue increased above expectations should rightfully go to players. There are plenty of other ways players can feel involved in the game other than % of revenue.

I heard Gallen on the radio the other day bringing up a good point. He actually said he thinks the base rookie $80k wage is enough. Because they are rookies!! $80k is a good wage for any apprentice at a job. They shouldn't be on $100k/$120k. And I can't believe I'm saying it but I partly agree.

Maybe a expansion clause in the salary cap might work. Dividing 29% amoungst 18 instead of 16 might help. Hmmm

The thing is, the minimum wage of $82,500 would be fine if it was only for rookie players, but it isn't. It is the minimum wage for all NRL players. As such there are players who are not rookies who are on this amount, and in some cases you will more than likely to find a few who are veteran players at that. Just food for thought.

As to others talking about guys like Smith, Cronk and Maloney being "greedy", do people realise these guys won't benefit from these changes. Smith is on his last contract already, Cronk is more likely to retire, and Maloney is only a year or two from retirement himself. As such any changes as a result of the CBA are unlikely to directly benefit them.

Also it is not as if the RLPA are demanding 50% of all game revenues. They are asking for, iirc, 27%. IF the rest of the game can't be run on the 73% revenue share remaining then something is wrong in my book.
 

T-Boon

Coach
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RLPA want to include leagues club grants in share of NRL revenue

I hope where that is going is that the players are sick of seeing $20m spent on centres of excellence and coaches, who have them doing weights and wrestling training all day (which they all hate), getting paid $800k of their money.

What the Players Association should be doing is pushing hard for a very low cap on football department expenditure. So that the money is either going to the players or the grass roots rather than useless coaching staff and stupid things like gold plated gyms.
 

El Diablo

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why do they want a pay rise when everyone who signs for Brisbane signs for less than what they were offered by other clubs?
 

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