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Ask LU - The relationship advice thread II

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Dani

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I think the situation surprised a lot of people and they didn't know how to deal with it themselves.

I hid it so well, the first anyone knew was when i had to call my best friend and her husband to carry me down the stairs of my apartment and take me to the hospital. By the time id finished getting x-rayed the whole of the North Shore knew.
 

Bazal

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My best friend hid it so well, too. The only reason I ever found out was because she called me when she was in hospital, so her family wouldn't find out.
 

Dani

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I couldn't tell my parents. I chickened out and got my friend to call. The police called my boss for me from the hospital cos i wouldn't do that either.

My parents, to this day, have not asked me what happened. Their way of coping is to ignore the situation.
 

Dragon2010

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I knew a acquaintance of mine, he was abusive to his girlfriend, all whilst cheating on her with two separate women. Guy was a real dick, she eventually got out of the relationship after her father found out what was happening and he threatened to rip the bastards head-off if he comes near her again. Father was one of those tough, scary lebanese's to. Not the kind you mess with. Shame, She was a nice girl. She's found a very nice boyfriend now though.
 

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It's important people realise that victims of domestic violence are not just women, and some out there disgracefully take full advantage of a legal system stacked in their favor, knowing how much harder it is to pin them for anything. I have a mate who is a Kiwi guy, a solid unit and you wouldn't want to get on the wrong side of him. But his ex of 5 years used to stab at him or throw knives/ heavy objects at him when they argued. I couldn't believe it when he told me, his ex is this petite Eurasian girl. If a woman I was involved with did any of that to me I'd pack my bags ASAP. The only reason I would stay would be because I'd written an agreement in which she promised to never treat me like that again on the understanding that if she did, I would be gone permanently, then get her to sign it.

(Thankfully) I can't speak from personal experience, but I think if somebody I was with became verbally or even physically abusive towards me, I would just shut off straight away. Anything I had felt for them would evaporate because a very important standard I have had been completely compromised. It is heartbreaking to think people put up with such despicable treatment because they get to that place where they believe they can't do any better (or even worse) that it's their fault somehow...
 

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Only if he's gutless. You take the beating that's coming to you. I was prepared to do as much when I was with a girl in a relationship.

Maybe, maybe not. I would think it's better just to move on and avoid all the potential complications that may come with administering a beating like you seem to want to do.

Not only do you run the risk of being taken to court, being given a criminal record which will impact your life in a whole number of ways, you also run the risk of a manslaughter charge if things go horribly wrong.

You would really need to ask yourself, is that worth it, or is walking away and getting on with your life the better option..
 

Springs

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Some friends they were....wtf? Sorry, but I value my friends and those I care about more than anything. I can't fathom that attitude....

They're the only things worth valuing in my opinion.

What kind of friendship is that? 'You let him hurt you so we're going to hurt you too'?

My parents, to this day, have not asked me what happened. Their way of coping is to ignore the situation.

That's not very fair. Are they the type of people that ignore things like that to keep up a benevolent illusion of life?
 

Dani

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I can only assume the friends reacted that way because technically, I lied to them for a long long time. I don't know. They aren't in my life any more.

As for my parents, they loved him like their own son. They were in complete shock. My mum.still has a photo of the two of us on the wall on her living room that she refuses to take down.

Hell his parents accuse me of being a liar...even after they visited me in hospital...saw my xrays and bruises.

I gave up trying to understand (or worry about) how other people reacted and took care of myself.
 
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Ozzy

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Think about what i post here and apply the exact opposite to real life.

I am completely honest when i say i have no self-worth.

I guess this place lets me joke about being the person i want to be.
Dani I am sorry to hear that. Believe me when I tell you that you are worth more than most people on this site. I am very sure that there are guys on this site that would be lucky to have you as their better half.
 

BDR

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Dani I am sorry to hear that. Believe me when I tell you that you are worth more than most people on this site. I am very sure that there are guys on this site that would be lucky to have you as their better half.

Hey man, what did I ever do to you?
 

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I can only assume the friends reacted that way because technically, I lied to them for a long long time. I don't know. They aren't in my life any more.

As for my parents, they loved him like their own son. They were in complete shock. My mum.still has a photo of the two of us on the wall on her living room that she refuses to take down.

Hell his parents accuse me of being a liar...even after they visited me in hospital...saw my xrays and bruises.

I gave up trying to understand (or worry about) how other people reacted and took care of myself.

Unfortunately, people will believe what they think is the truth rather than the actual truth. It's just easier to compute for them. Nobody will consciously believe that their little Johnny could be capable of being such a criminal.

And one of the most frustrating things is that violence doesn't solve anything. My best mate's sister was being bashed by her boyfriend of six years - SIX YEARS - and he decided to confront the bastard about it and tell him to stop (she was, naturally, terrified of him and of leaving him). The prick spat at my mate and decided to bring a few mates to "teach him a lesson" one day after footy training - luckily we played on the same team and a few of our teammates gave us a hand and it resolved with nothing more than a few mis-timed punches being thrown. But this cycle occurred several times after that, until he was seen hitting his girlfriend at a footy game - where the ref happened to be a police officer who reffed on weekends for fun and cash. Scumbag got charged and thrown in prison.
 
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I've mentioned this before, but when I met my now, Fiance she was in an abusive relationship. It took one hell of an effort for her to leverage herself out of it because her ex was a very good manipulator. They were highschool sweethearts and not long after they finished year twelve my Fiance's mother passed away. This led to a schism in her family and her ex played this totally to his advantage. He moved her in with him and led her to believe that she was completely worthless and unlovable and that he was doing her a favour.

All the while, he was tightening the noose of his control by driving a wedge between her and her family / friends. She didn't learn how to drive because when it came time for her to learn, her family weren't around to teach her and her boyfriend at the time had her convinced that she'd never be able to do it. He did this because he didn't want her to be able to go too far away on her own.

She lived by his rules and once he had her all to himself, thats when the physical stuff started.

Luckily, she was working for an employment agency at the time and they found her a job where I also worked at the time. It was a small company and people there treated each other like family. Some of the girls began to notice that this guy was always on the phone sussing my missus out and when she'd refuse to go to lunch with some of the other girls or to go on a company function because she "wasn't allowed", questions started to be asked.

One day, they had an argument over the phone and it resulted in him turning up to work and trying to drag her through the carpark and into his car. At this stage, one of the other guys at work saw this and chased him away. It was at about this point that I got involved because we'd been talking for a little while but I didn't know any of this. I was a little keen on her but had done nothing because I knew she lived with her boyfriend. I started talking to her more and getting to know her a bit better and she found that she liked me and that I was a good person to confide in. It was at this point that she made the best decision of her life. She plucked up the courage and simply moved out on her own. Went to the real estate one day, found a place close to work, signed a 12 month lease and moved in. She had nothing at the time, she'd left it all at her ex's place.

Quite a few people at work (including me) helped her out but most of what she did, she did herself.

Of course, the douche of an ex tried to influence things but he couldn't find her new address and whenever he turned up to our work, he was met by an entourage. He wouldn't even get in the driveway or out of his car.

He still had her mobile and he would ring and plead with her to come back. But she was strong and held fast.

At the time, I was just her friend. I would drop her home on occassion and sometimes we'd go to lunch together or something along those lines.

Eventually, after about 3 months we started dating and her life became totally different again. About 6 months after that, when her lease expired she moved in with me and my housemate. First thing I did was teach her to drive...

Now some 7 years later we are engaged.

I am not an angry or violent person. I have never hit anyone outside of a rugby league field and those that I hit on field were hit within the rules of the game. I have never had hatred or loathing for any person. I take people as I see them and usually give them the benefit of the doubt, but I now have an exception in my life. It took me a few years of living with my fiance before she finally came clean about the extent of the abuse that she had copped at the hands of her ex and now he is well and truly on my hit list. If I ever bump into him, anywhere, he'd better hope that there are other people around to peel me off him. I won't be happy about it. It probably won't give me any satisfaction to do this and its not something that I aspire to doing, but deep down I just think that flogging this mongrel to within an inch of his life would set something right in the world.

My philosophy in life has always been that violence is not the answer, but as with every rule, there is generally an exception and as someone above mentioned, in the case of domestic abuse, violence against the perpetrator is quite possibly the only way they will learn.

Domestic abusers should be scorned by the general public. Once identified they should be labelled in some indelible way so that everywhere they go, everyone will know that they are the lowest scum on earth. To take someone as a partner, betray their trust and beat them down everyday in every possible way for some kind of self gratification, this is something lower than low and it should not go unpunished.

My fiance is a wonderful, vibrant, happy go lucky Woman. She is the type of person who will go to a hospital and talk to elderly people who have had no visitors, just because she knows they would love the company. She rescues sick animals off the street and genuinely cares for the people and things around her. She is truly the salt of the earth. To think that some monster could beat her up. Deride her confidence and try to bend her to his will... Its monstrous. To think that this goes on 100's of 1000's of times a day in various locations around Australia, it makes me very sad. No one deserves to have this sort of thing happen to them. No one at all.
 

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I've said this before but I stayed in an abusive relationship for more than a year because I truly believed I could not do any better and did not deserve any better.

Maybe you think I'm stupid. But really I'm just a sad, scared, lonely person who has never had any self-worth.

I learnt my lesson the hard way. I know I deserve better but it took a serious injury and me actually telling someone to get to that realisation.

For the rest of my life I have to think about what happened to me at the hands of someone I loved for four years and wonder every night how I'm ever supposed to trust again.

/cathartic release.

I've never been through what you have first-hand, and I hope you (and everyone else) never does ever again. But anyone - anyone - who wants to call you stupid for what you felt and thought and how things were handled is a f**king f**ktard lollipoping piece of slimy motherf**king shit whose opinion means squat tbh. Anyone who takes that stance is an ignorant, filthy, self-centred piece of self-indulgent, holier-than-thou trash.
 

IanG

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Plus how many impotent browbeaten 40 year olds do you see trapped in a 10 year loveless marriage because their missus wears the pants. There is a complex psychology of dominance and self-image involved.

Yeah compromising their own happiness just to fulfil that notion of Happy Wife Happy Life.
 

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I've mentioned this before, but when I met my now, Fiance she was in an abusive relationship. It took one hell of an effort for her to leverage herself out of it because her ex was a very good manipulator. They were highschool sweethearts and not long after they finished year twelve my Fiance's mother passed away. This led to a schism in her family and her ex played this totally to his advantage. He moved her in with him and led her to believe that she was completely worthless and unlovable and that he was doing her a favour.

All the while, he was tightening the noose of his control by driving a wedge between her and her family / friends. She didn't learn how to drive because when it came time for her to learn, her family weren't around to teach her and her boyfriend at the time had her convinced that she'd never be able to do it. He did this because he didn't want her to be able to go too far away on her own.

She lived by his rules and once he had her all to himself, thats when the physical stuff started.

Luckily, she was working for an employment agency at the time and they found her a job where I also worked at the time. It was a small company and people there treated each other like family. Some of the girls began to notice that this guy was always on the phone sussing my missus out and when she'd refuse to go to lunch with some of the other girls or to go on a company function because she "wasn't allowed", questions started to be asked.

One day, they had an argument over the phone and it resulted in him turning up to work and trying to drag her through the carpark and into his car. At this stage, one of the other guys at work saw this and chased him away. It was at about this point that I got involved because we'd been talking for a little while but I didn't know any of this. I was a little keen on her but had done nothing because I knew she lived with her boyfriend. I started talking to her more and getting to know her a bit better and she found that she liked me and that I was a good person to confide in. It was at this point that she made the best decision of her life. She plucked up the courage and simply moved out on her own. Went to the real estate one day, found a place close to work, signed a 12 month lease and moved in. She had nothing at the time, she'd left it all at her ex's place.

Quite a few people at work (including me) helped her out but most of what she did, she did herself.

Of course, the douche of an ex tried to influence things but he couldn't find her new address and whenever he turned up to our work, he was met by an entourage. He wouldn't even get in the driveway or out of his car.

He still had her mobile and he would ring and plead with her to come back. But she was strong and held fast.

At the time, I was just her friend. I would drop her home on occassion and sometimes we'd go to lunch together or something along those lines.

Eventually, after about 3 months we started dating and her life became totally different again. About 6 months after that, when her lease expired she moved in with me and my housemate. First thing I did was teach her to drive...

Now some 7 years later we are engaged.

I am not an angry or violent person. I have never hit anyone outside of a rugby league field and those that I hit on field were hit within the rules of the game. I have never had hatred or loathing for any person. I take people as I see them and usually give them the benefit of the doubt, but I now have an exception in my life. It took me a few years of living with my fiance before she finally came clean about the extent of the abuse that she had copped at the hands of her ex and now he is well and truly on my hit list. If I ever bump into him, anywhere, he'd better hope that there are other people around to peel me off him. I won't be happy about it. It probably won't give me any satisfaction to do this and its not something that I aspire to doing, but deep down I just think that flogging this mongrel to within an inch of his life would set something right in the world.

My philosophy in life has always been that violence is not the answer, but as with every rule, there is generally an exception and as someone above mentioned, in the case of domestic abuse, violence against the perpetrator is quite possibly the only way they will learn.

Domestic abusers should be scorned by the general public. Once identified they should be labelled in some indelible way so that everywhere they go, everyone will know that they are the lowest scum on earth. To take someone as a partner, betray their trust and beat them down everyday in every possible way for some kind of self gratification, this is something lower than low and it should not go unpunished.

My fiance is a wonderful, vibrant, happy go lucky Woman. She is the type of person who will go to a hospital and talk to elderly people who have had no visitors, just because she knows they would love the company. She rescues sick animals off the street and genuinely cares for the people and things around her. She is truly the salt of the earth. To think that some monster could beat her up. Deride her confidence and try to bend her to his will... Its monstrous. To think that this goes on 100's of 1000's of times a day in various locations around Australia, it makes me very sad. No one deserves to have this sort of thing happen to them. No one at all.

I feel I am very much like you, mate - I'm a big guy, but I have never believed in violence unless it is in self-defence. And I, for one, would not judge you for teaching that piece of trash a lesson.

My girlfriend was not physically abused, but she was mentally and psychologically tortured by her ex-fiance. He made her believe she was worthless and made her believe she was scum. I know it's not anywhere in the same league as physically bashing a woman, but to hear this makes me so mad that I swore to her that if I ever see the merkin in real life, I will be sent to prison. To take a vibrant, happy, confident, sweet woman and crush her to the point that she thinks she is worth nothing (the merkin valued his car and dog higher than her, and made it known to her ffs)...It infuriates me. And it makes me want to "set it right" via the only means I know how. It's irrational, but it's what emotions do.

Hearing stories like yours and Dani's makes me mad. But I'm just glad your fiancee and Dani were able to get out.
 
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