first and for-most, the idea that lactic acid is what causes pain after a arobic session was disproved by physiologist about 3 years ago. Lactic acid is removed from your blood stream in 3 seconds. To slow this process down isn't a big deal because it might now stay in your body for 20 seconds (guess?) but not doing any damage, so you will just feel the effects for a little bit longer.
Alcohol is high in carbohydrates but will not be stored, so it is actually good for recovery after physical activity, plus an increase in blood flow will actually promote healing by promoting oxygen carried to your muscles.
Beer is very hight in carbs, and great fro carb loading which is essential when trying to increase strength.
Liver function does not play a role in recovery, liver also does not play a role in digestion. Digestion is caried out by the intestines (mainly small) and a little bit in the stomach. The liver removes toxins from your body, so unless you drink posin the night before it will not have a major effect on you.The only real issue with alcohol is the effect the next day (hang over) and that is from drinking to much and becoming dehydrated. Alcohol in moderation is actually good for you... and that is information I got from 3 years of a medical science degree, and a med degree. Not some arty farty wikipedia sorced grovel
wow, another expert. Read on, expert, and learn....
Look man, sorry to be so frank with you, but take a hike.
Did you know that different studies often contradict themselves? - sure you'd know that. The results of one study mean little....it usually takes years of testing and studies to gain anything substantial....sure you'd know that.
We know some of the effects of alcohol, and not everything, but more of that after. For now, you'd know alcohol kills brain cells, and actually [a shock to you obviously] inhibits recovery.
Its one thing to talk about athletes drinking, and its the same with footballers - or anyone who trains....basically, the more you train the more you have to lose is all.
So get off your emotional train. You're wrong.
You have said nothing profound. In fact, much of what you said is totally misleading, and if i were you, i'd check my facts. Doc....i'm telling you to seek a second opinion....Discounting what i said is perhaps not the best path to have taken. I know that most of what you say is completely in the wrong context, or entirely not true to our discussion....
The main point of my post is as follows : drinking alcohol after training is not ideal. Such non ideal behavior has the potential to cost a team performance.
I think you will find that we are only now just starting to discover the true effects of alcohol.
To come on here and suggest alcohol is GOOD for recovery is ludicrous.
Look, i went out and found a counter-study. You too could go out and find one to counter mine, but thats not the point of this....the point is that alcohol is not a recovery device - ITS A HINDERANCE!
http://coachdeanhebert.wordpress.com/2009/01/21/alcohol-effects-on-recovery-study-a-review/
Let me assure you, no wait, you would probably know, that studies vary wildly in their effectiveness....how controlled they are, under what circumstances, all the way down to seemingly insignificant details.
Wait, dude, I went and did my OWN study.....i stayed off alcohol for a long time, never touched a drink, and over the course of about 8 months of physical training (weights and running), i stacked on 15kgs of mass, the majority of it was muscle. Now, one of my friends, whom I know shares the same potential as me, did what i did to 90% of the total, and managed to stack on a mere 8kgs. I know this to be true, because when i rub it in his face, theres a glint in his eye. Guess what, he likes a drink, and sorry he says, but he can't go without it. He loves a drink or two throughout the week. I trained with him, and while i sucked down a protien shake, he would have his shake then head to the pub at least once, if not twice a week, of our 4 night regeme. I'm no expert, but it speaks volumes. Thats my study, and the guy had more guts than sense.
There may have been other mitigating factors like metabolism, whatever....but you can bet your house on the fact that his acoholic past times and probably thus leading to an attitude shift in him, had a massive impact on his RESULTS.
You may also realise that not everything in the world is black and white. Sure, you say, increased bloodflow is FANTASTIC. But there are far better ways to get increased bloodflow.
Beer is good for Carb loading? Don't get me started about carb loading....i read that part and laughed really hard. Ok, buddy. Look. There are so many sources of carbs out there, its not funny. High glycemic carbs, from dextrose and maltodextrin, i think you will find are the perfect choices after training. NOT BEER. If you want something a little more long term, oats, etc....the idea is to keep the blood-sugar high, and yes your muscles store some carbs, so does your liver, but guess what, a whole heap goes into fat if you have too much, so its a balancing act.
The whole digestion thing? Get yourself a bucket of ice and cold water, lift it high and dump it on your head. If you have beer in your gut, plus a protien/carb shake, plus a block of chocolate, would that not be worse than having just the shake? Your digestive system has to process more....you are better off loading up on good things, but even then in moderation, as the excess glucose, once converted from the food, only stays in your system for a period of time, before it goes to fat. Yes, you can get more carbs in your muscles from this, but you need to balance it with the right training. ATP energy can be increased with explosive-like training as opposed to training like a marathon runner. Its got more to do with how you train in certain regards. Looking just at digestion is skipping a whole heap of happenings. And before we leave this part.....what of the yeast in beer? This junk stays in your gut along with the protien and the rest of it (and they all have differing digestion times) but why should you make your body sift through crap to get to the good stuff?
No....if you want optimal results, you need optimal ways to go about it. But alcohol is another story....it may not stop you from winning, but it will sure as heck help you lose. And the truth is, thats THE SAME THING.
In truth we cannot have a proper discussion about this, its too complex. Thats why i wrote it in a nutshell when i said : any traning regiment consists of 3 parts, nutrition - training - rest. You need all 3 supporting each other and in the right amounts.
Don't get me started about sports nutrition.
For anyone who trains, the quicker you are back to the closest you can get to 100%, the better. Its as simple as that. Stay off alcohol. Yeah, one type is meant to be good for you - red wine - and yes red wine has antioxidants...yippee....but even a study came out and said that the positive effects are outweighed by the negatives.
Also, pal, look at bias in your post grad....you may find that beer/wine companies conduct said research and shape it for their own gain.
Its like this everywhere, and especially in the bodybuilding arena. Always check your source, and I stay of wiki mate.....With all the products you see in bodybuilding for example, only the protien powders/amino acids and creatine are worth your while. They have conclusive evidence from years of research.
No where will you ever see a true-blue report about alcohol being of positive benefit to training....no where...it may have a few good points, if you believe that in of itself, but in no way is it totally beneficial, and in fact its actually detrimental.
Its true, too, that they let players drink to appease their need for 'a life' and so be it, but its just my beleif it should be at a strict minimal amount.
Like i said, the only time should be after a game, as this is the longest time b4 they have to get back into it. And then only in small amounts.
BTW, lactic acid is only your bodies way of putting the breaks on muscles. The pain is from the fact that your muscles are shredded up from the exertions. Without lactic acid, your muscles would gleefully go on until they either 1. ran out of energy or 2. snap.
BTW2, liver function certainly plays a major role in joining up amino acids into usable protein, and um, as a part of your digestion system, yeah man, don't you think it plays its part in recovery too? I ask you this, so think on it. Everything goes through the liver at least once, same with kidneys, all the parts....they ALL play a role in recovery. Liver joins up proteins, so its a MAJOR player.
BTW3, ever heard that alcohol is a poison? You are having a bad night, aren't you? The liver actually removes alcohol. Its considered a toxin/poison by the body. I've taken the liberty of providing you with a web site to better explain the flaw in your thinking....that your wonder-substance, alcohol, is actually a poison, to be broken down and (aparently) harmlessly exited the body in urine. http://www.mydr.com.au/gastrointestinal-health/liver-and-alcohol-breakdown
What did you major in? Cosmetic surgery?
I enjoyed writing this as much as you enjoyed cringing at it.
I hope this is no profanity to you, but you sound like a quack atm. An apprentice is not a real tradie.....
Back to the books for you, huh. And some life experience, a broader perspective. I have faith in your ability even so.... you'll be fine.
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