Ben Barba and Colombian Marching Powder

[carcharias]

Why would they let any player contracted to the NRL sign with a competitor?

Competitor?

France in rugby?

Rugby in Australia maybe.
12 weeks on the other side of the planet playing a shit game that none of use will see... hardly.

He was banned from training without even having a suspension.
How does that work?

 

[betcats]

However that suspension can only be served once a contract is registered by the NRL.

So if they register it prior to the start of the season, its 12 matches. If they register it after round 12 - its the most of the season.

Surely you understand the argument these lads are trying paint? That the NRL control how long the ban is by when they feel like registering his contract (with their own legitimate concerns mind you)

Me personally i don't care either way. I just can't stand to see this stupid f**king argument go round in circles.

The argument isn't valid because he initially signed a short contract and planned to be back for round 13 anyway so he didn't just sign because of the NRLs delay he was trying to be clever. Also he has since said he went to rugby because he needs to pay his bills which again makes that argument invalid. Also It was Cronulla that voided the contract, not the NRL.

 

[betcats]

Competitor?

France in rugby?

Rugby in Australia maybe.
12 weeks on the other side of the planet playing a shit game that none of use will see... hardly.

He was banned from training without even having a suspension.
How does that work?

Yes they are a competitor, they poach our players. They got one of the most talented and popular(at the time) players to ever play our game to break his contract and bail midseason.

 

[SharkShocked]

The argument isn't valid because he initially signed a short contract and planned to be back for round 13 anyway so he didn't just sign because of the NRLs delay he was trying to be clever. Also he has since said he went to rugby because he needs to pay his bills which again makes that argument invalid.

You must be some kind of special to not see what has gone down here.

The Rugby Union option came up weeks after he had signed a 1 year deal with the Sharks. Due to the fact that he was not getting paid by the Sharks as he had no contract. Not to mention the bloke is a moron and to be broke after years of earning decent wages is mesmerizing but not surprising with pro athletes.

The NRL and the Sharks both made it difficult on him because his contract was not registered and the Sharks aren't able to pay him while he had no contract, which was why allowances to front load pay him were sought by the Sharks with the NRL.

The stipulations by the NRL on him being banned from training in an official capacity with the team probably also inflamed the situation. You can question if you like whether or not that is in the players best welfare interests (but i couldn't give a shit about that PC crap).

His management the Orr brothers are some kind of stupid and special that is granted, but there is no way in high hell they would have legitimately believed that the NRL would register his contract and allow him to serve his ban while playing in an overseas competitor sport. These actions are all calculated for a purpose.

The Orr brothers offload Barba to French Rugby and pocket a nice commission while ensuring that they can also get maximum $$$ for Holmes out of Cronulla and ensure they get another nice commission as they manage both players.

 

[SharkShocked]

The argument isn't valid because he initially signed a short contract and planned to be back for round 13 anyway so he didn't just sign because of the NRLs delay he was trying to be clever. Also he has since said he went to rugby because he needs to pay his bills which again makes that argument invalid. Also It was Cronulla that voided the contract, not the NRL.

If we are dealing in this argument with facts and balance.

Barba requested a release from the Sharks contract and it was granted.

 

[betcats]

You must be some kind of special to not see what has gone down here.

The Rugby Union option came up weeks after he had signed a 1 year deal with the Sharks. Due to the fact that he was not getting paid by the Sharks as he had no contract. Not to mention the bloke is a moron and to be broke after years of earning decent wages is mesmerizing but not surprising with pro athletes.

The NRL and the Sharks both made it difficult on him because his contract was not registered and the Sharks aren't able to pay him while he had no contract, which was why allowances to front load pay him were sought by the Sharks with the NRL.

The stipulations by the NRL on him being banned from training in an official capacity with the team probably also inflamed the situation. You can question if you like whether or not that is in the players best welfare interests (but i couldn't give a shit about that PC crap).

His management the Orr brothers are some kind of stupid and special that is granted, but there is no way in high hell they would have legitimately believed that the NRL would register his contract and allow him to serve his ban while playing in an overseas competitor sport. These actions are all calculated for a purpose.

The Orr brothers offload Barba to French Rugby and pocket a nice commission while ensuring that they can also get maximum $$$ for Holmes out of Cronulla and ensure they get another nice commission as they manage both players.

Hahaha yeah nice essay mate despite all that buillshit Barba only signed a four month deal, so he and his management seemed to think they knew when the suspension would end.

 

[betcats]

If we are dealing in this argument with facts and balance.

Barba requested a release from the Sharks contract and it was granted.

Yes so it was the sharks decision in the end? They could have said no? Muppet.

 

[SharkShocked]

The sharks mutually agreed to release him from his contract.

I don't know how you'd call that the sharks decision in the end, a request was made and approved.

You seem to want to call it a sacking, which is muddying the waters, but not entirely unexpected given the manner in which you like to cherry pick this discussion.

 

[myrrh ken]

The training condition is curious. Take blow in the off season, no team training. Take blow during the season, you can train and trial for an nrl team

 

[Walt Flanigan]

Competitor?

France in rugby?

Do you remember where SBW went when he walked out on the Bulldogs?

Gasnier too.

 

[betcats]

The sharks mutually agreed to release him from his contract.

I don't know how you'd call that the sharks decision in the end, a request was made and approved.

You seem to want to call it a sacking, which is muddying the waters, but not entirely unexpected given the manner in which you like to cherry pick this discussion.

I said they voided the contract which was completely factual. Barba can request until he is blue in the face but unless Cronulla DECIDE to grant that request the contract remains valid.

 

[Walt Flanigan]

The NRL and the Sharks both made it difficult on him

I think snorting coke made things difficult on him.

 

[SharkShocked]

The training condition is curious. Take blow in the off season, no team training. Take blow during the season, you can train and trial for an nrl team

It's not really curious, it's designed by the NRL to frustrate the player and the club.

Until a contract has been registered with the NRL, realistically the player is not official contracted to that club and i would imagine should take no part in any official capacity.

I am however well aware that the NRL do not have clear process or guidelines in this department as there are many other inconsistent examples.

There were legitimate concerns by the NRL over the manner in which the Sharks were happy to re-sign a player who was released on grounds of welfare issues only weeks ago and basically halve the nominal value on the salary cap.

Particularly when you take into account the timing and the fact that the Sharks were due to pay his entire contract for the first time (thanks Broncs, half his pay and a premiership).

 

[SharkShocked]

I think snorting coke made things difficult on him.

I have not nor will never deny this.

Barba is and will always be the only reason any of this occurred. That doesn't preclude however the discussion about events that occur after the fact that impact said eventualities.

If you are an NRL player and you allow yourself or put yourself in a position where the NRL can decide your future, you must be prepared to expect the manner in which they operate, which is proven to be adhoc and inconsistent.

 

[SharkShocked]

I said they voided the contract which was completely factual. Barba can request until he is blue in the face but unless Cronulla DECIDE to grant that request the contract remains valid.

It's actually the cessation of a contract.

 

[betcats]

The training condition is curious. Take blow in the off season, no team training. Take blow during the season, you can train and trial for an nrl team

If the NRL made things difficult to try and get him to f**k off it wouldn't surprise me at all, but its obvious that wasn't Barba's initial plan when he signed s short term deal with Toulon and its ridiculous people think he should be allowed to play rugby while serving an NRL suspension.

It's actually the cessation of a contract.

Lol ok, you can have that one.

 

[myrrh ken]

It's not really curious, it's designed by the NRL to frustrate the player and the club.

Until a contract has been registered with the NRL, realistically the player is not official contracted to that club and i would imagine should take no part in any official capacity.

I am however well aware that the NRL do not have clear process or guidelines in this department as there are many other inconsistent examples.

There were legitimate concerns by the NRL over the manner in which the Sharks were happy to re-sign a player who was released on grounds of welfare issues only weeks ago and basically halve the nominal value on the salary cap.

Particularly when you take into account the timing and the fact that the Sharks were due to pay his entire contract for the first time (thanks Broncs, half his pay and a premiership).

Inconsistent approach with Dave Taylor training I guess!

 

[SharkShocked]

So happy with Dave Taylor training then

I believe Taylor had a Train+Trial contract with Canberra?

Unsure of whether or not that was registered with the NRL or if there are any process/requirements for this.

 

[SharkShocked]

If the NRL made things difficult to try and get him to f**k off it wouldn't surprise me at all, but its obvious that wasn't Barba's initial plan when he signed s short term deal with Toulon and its ridiculous people think he should be allowed to play rugby while serving an NRL suspension.



Lol ok, you can have that one.

I've stated that i don't believe he should be able to play rugby while serving a suspension, i've stated that he should not be able to play Rugby when he has an NRL contract (currently he doesn't / didn't) and from what i've read here i don't believe anyone thinks he should be able to either?

Their concerns appear to be more centered around when his contract would have been registered and the ability to lengthen the ban in that fashion as previously discussed.

Yes i'll have that one as it's correct.

 

[betcats]

I've stated that i don't believe he should be able to play rugby while serving a suspension, i've stated that he should not be able to play Rugby when he has an NRL contract (currently he doesn't / didn't) and from what i've read here i don't believe anyone thinks he should be able to either?

Their concerns appear to be more centered around when his contract would have been registered and the ability to lengthen the ban in that fashion as previously discussed.

Yes i'll have that one as it's correct.

I know you don't think that but go back and read Carchy and Myrrkhen comments, they are both struggling to understand why he cant play rugby and serve his NRL suspension at the same time and arguing that he should be allowed too. Carchy even argued that French RU isn't a competitor of the NRL ffs.