Best 17 going forward as from next week

[umina panther]

I like Peach off the bench. I'd probably bring him on earlier then yesterday but I think he adds another dimension too our side as a running backrower/lock.

Id agree if Whare was playing well but hes been awful

 

[Copperhead]

As for Whare/peachy im sorry but Whare is currently a fair way off the player he was a couple years ago. He is solid but nothing more, he has looked average defensively a number of times this year and his metres are usually terrible.

He ran for half the metres of the other back five and missed twice as many tackles. Peachey should have his spot back.

 

[herbert henry1908]

Whare should've never come back through first grade & we had enough outside backs at the start of the season for that to be the case.

DWZ could also potentially partner Blake in the centres if Griffin wants to keep Peachey on the bench.

 

[mxlegend99]

As for Whare/peachy im sorry but Whare is currently a fair way off the player he was a couple years ago. He is solid but nothing more, he has looked average defensively a number of times this year and his metres are usually terrible.

Yep. He has a few nice plays against Tigers and people think hes back... But really it just shows how shit Tigers were.

Dean Whare is not the player he once was... Probably never will be. Yet we went and signed him to a 5 year contract and like Hiku he doesn't fit into our best 17.

Peachey and Whare are our best centres.
DWZ and Mansour are our best wingers. With Edwards on the wing also being better than Hiku and Whare as a winger.

 

[martielang]

Whare will find his feet soon enough IMO. Agree I would of had him coming back through NSW Cup but he's slowly improving.

While he is missing a few tackles, Peacheys reads in defence this year were just as bad.

 

[Fangs]

I like Peach off the bench. I'd probably bring him on earlier then yesterday but I think he adds another dimension too our side as a running backrower/lock.

He has to play more minutes. I don't understand why Griffin held him back from that first half. Didn't seem sensible at the time and it still doesn't now.

 

[Fangs]

Surely the Carty at 6 experiment has now run its course. Martin appears to be finished so what are we waiting for? (Mansour?). Move Moylan to 6 and DWZ/Edwards to fullback.

Add Mansour on the week and our kick return metres and go forward out of our own 50 will be back to late 2016 standards.

 

[herbert henry1908]

Surely the Carty at 6 experiment has now run its course. Martin appears to be finished so what are we waiting for? (Mansour?). Move Moylan to 6 and DWZ/Edwards to fullback.

Add Mansour on the week and our kick return metres and go forward out of our own 50 will be back to late 2016 standards.

With a back three of Edwards, Mansour & DWZ our kick return meters should be up with the best in the league.

 

[BxTom]

With a back three of Edwards, Mansour & DWZ our kick return meters should be up with the best in the league.

I don't mind the idea, but I am still to be convinced that Moylan's defence at 5/8 won't be a problem. Look at the problems with Cartwright's defence there and the problems that it causes the team.

Tom.

 

[herbert henry1908]

I don't mind the idea, but I am still to be convinced that Moylan's defence at 5/8 won't be a problem. Look at the problems with Cartwright's defence there and the problems that it causes the team.

Tom.

Moylan would have an advantage over Cartwright in being able to move better laterally.

Moylan won't ever be a good defender but at least in the line he'll get some assistance, at fullback he has to do it all himself. Not good.

I totally get the concerns but many halves are poor defenders & we can't truly know until we try it. Someone like Yeo will need to stick close to him.


I mean if TMM is gone our two long term 5/8 options are Moylan or Cartwright. Seems a no brainer to me.

 

[BxTom]

Moylan would have an advantage over Cartwright in being able to move better laterally.

Moylan won't ever be a good defender but at least in the line he'll get some assistance, at fullback he has to do it all himself. Not good.

I totally get the concerns but many halves are poor defenders & we can't truly know until we try it. Someone like Yeo will need to stick close to him.


I mean if TMM is gone our two long term 5/8 options are Moylan or Cartwright. Seems a no brainer to me.

Balance the improvement of lateral movement with the lack of strength and the fact that there is a lot more defensive work in the line than at FB. If someone could strengthen Moylan's physique and defence, I would be fine, but it really worries me.

Tom

 

[umina panther]

JT is bog average and Locky was a total turnstile. Just stick him next to Yeo

 

[herbert henry1908]

Balance the improvement of lateral movement with the lack of strength and the fact that there is a lot more defensive work in the line than at FB. If someone could strengthen Moylan's physique and defence, I would be fine, but it really worries me.

Tom

There's definitely more defensive work, but halves don't make a huge amount of tackles. 15-20 on average. So I think it could be overcome.

Moylan makes about 8 tackles a match now. So workload would be roughly doubled.

One thing that is definitely strange is not trying Moylan at 5/8 before we let TMM go. I would've thought we'd want to be sure about our potential options. Unless of course Hook will simply never pay Moylan at 5/8 no matter what.

 

[mxlegend99]

The one game Moylan has played at 5/8th was Game 3 of Origin last year.

His stats for Game 3 were 19 tackles for 1 missed.

Thurston: 17 tackles for 9 missed
Cronk: 18 tackles for 1 missed
Maloney: 12 tackles for 0 missed (missed 7 in the first 2 games though)

He doesnt seem any worse than the games best halves. His 1 missed tackle was Queensland getting him 1 on 1 with Cooper at the line.

All halves miss those tackles more often than not.

 

[BxTom]

There's definitely more defensive work, but halves don't make a huge amount of tackles. 15-20 on average. So I think it could be overcome.

Moylan makes about 8 tackles a match now. So workload would be roughly doubled.

One thing that is definitely strange is not trying Moylan at 5/8 before we let TMM go. I would've thought we'd want to be sure about our potential options. Unless of course Hook will simply never pay Moylan at 5/8 no matter what.

I actually think that we are in the same situation as last year in one respect. Last year, it was thought that every game counted towards the end so that we could make the finals, and then to stay in the finals. I think that with the bad start, we are in that situation again to some extent. Any coach would be hesitant to try to fix what may not be that broken. Stress the 'may'.

Tom.

 

[herbert henry1908]

I actually think that we are in the same situation as last year in one respect. Last year, it was thought that every game counted towards the end so that we could make the finals, and then to stay in the finals. I think that with the bad start, we are in that situation again to some extent. Any coach would be hesitant to try to fix what may not be that broken. Stress the 'may'.

Tom.

We're a little behind where we were last year.

But surely Cartwright playing 5/8 last year was a huge gamble? I can't see how Moylan playing this year would be any bigger.

 

[Pomoz]

Surely the Carty at 6 experiment has now run its course. Martin appears to be finished so what are we waiting for? (Mansour?). Move Moylan to 6 and DWZ/Edwards to fullback.

Add Mansour on the week and our kick return metres and go forward out of our own 50 will be back to late 2016 standards.

I don't think it is an experiment, it is a necessity. It wouldn't be if the coach gave Moylan a shot but without that and with TM on the way out, there is no other 5/8th. Last season once Moylan got in the groove, it worked well. Carty played as a third playmaker and run the ball like lock for most of the time. Mansour and DWZ did the fullback kick returns and Moylan played as a false 5/8th. A bit more forward grunt and we could have rolled Canberra. If it ain't broke and all that...

 

[chrisD]

Moylan let a try in in SOO.

And Cartwright is playing injured atm, was limping the whole game.

There was a point in the game yesterday DWZ was fullback, one set. Don't know why it happened.

Peachey seemed to play lock when he came on, I think. It's an ok strategy until we have to defend on our line and a forward crashes through him or him and Wallace defending beside each other. More likely to get away with it towards the end of a game.

The hope at the moment is when Mansour returns it prompts the DWZ to fullback and Moylan to 5/8 change. Unlikely but that's the hope.

But at this point none of it matters much, the real problem isn't team selection, the difference between the first and second halves wasn't positional or personnel changes.

 

[BxTom]

Moylan let a try in in SOO.

And Cartwright is playing injured atm, was limping the whole game.

There was a point in the game yesterday DWZ was fullback, one set. Don't know why it happened.

Peachey seemed to play lock when he came on, I think. It's an ok strategy until we have to defend on our line and a forward crashes through him or him and Wallace defending beside each other. More likely to get away with it towards the end of a game.

The hope at the moment is when Mansour returns it prompts the DWZ to fullback and Moylan to 5/8 change. Unlikely but that's the hope.

But at this point none of it matters much, the real problem isn't team selection, the difference between the first and second halves wasn't positional or personnel changes.

I can't help suspecting that being booed at at half time may have made a few players think...

Tom.

 

[Fangs]

I don't think it is an experiment, it is a necessity. It wouldn't be if the coach gave Moylan a shot but without that and with TM on the way out, there is no other 5/8th. Last season once Moylan got in the groove, it worked well. Carty played as a third playmaker and run the ball like lock for most of the time. Mansour and DWZ did the fullback kick returns and Moylan played as a false 5/8th. A bit more forward grunt and we could have rolled Canberra. If it ain't broke and all that...

Perhaps perhaps.

We have great options at fullback though. If Moylan is going to play as a 'false 5/8' in attack then why not just move him there? Cartwright is an inferior option.