Best 17 going forward as from next week

[Kilkenny]

There was a point in the game yesterday DWZ was fullback, one set. Don't know why it happened./QUOTE]

It happened when Matty rushed out of the defensive line on a number of occasions late in the Warriors tackle count to try and put a hit on the kicker. It was a deliberate tactic and I thought quite inspirational from our captain.

 

[PenrithPanther45]

I noticed that too. One of them was very successful. I also recall I think Nathan Cleary almost flattening one of the Warriors' big men late in the second half.

 

[Kilkenny]

I have accepted the fact it is highly unlikely we are going to figure in the play offs in 2017.

Our coach also has to be realistic from our current position and while not giving up all hope surely he needs to be adventurous and endeavour to be positive rather than playing it safe.

Going forward we need to see something along the lines of;

Edwards, DWZ, Peachy, Blake, Mansour (when he is fit to return as suggested in Round 13), Moylan, Cleary, Merrin, Yeo, CHN, Tamou, Wallace, RCG.

Bench, Latu, Cartwright, Kikau & JFH (only if fully fit). If JFH not fully fit then the fourth bench option is a toss up from either Leota/Browne or other fit candidates.

Peta Hika in his current role as a winger has done his job and has been acceptable but he is no Josh Mansour.

Dean Whare is a solid defensive centre for the most part but does not offer what Tyrone Peachy or Waqa Blake offer and cannot be selected in front of either. I thought the try Ryan Hoffman scored against us this week highlighted the fact Dean is not where he was say in 2014. Yes Bryce was equally at fault but between the two of them there was no way such a soft try should have been conceded.

 

[martielang]

Moylan essentially played 5/8th yesterday without the defensive output. I was starting to warm to the idea of moving him but after yesterday I can't see the point in moving him when he can do the same job from the back. I'll probably change my mind again if he has a stinker next week.

I still question his effort though. He was nowhere to be seen until we got a roll on yesterday then he sprung to life. He is a serious talent but I don't know if he's the serious competitor which will take him to the next level.

 

[herbert henry1908]

Moylan essentially played 5/8th yesterday without the defensive output. I was starting to warm to the idea of moving him but after yesterday I can't see the point in moving him when he can do the same job from the back. I'll probably change my mind again if he has a stinker next week.

I still question his effort though. He was nowhere to be seen until we got a roll on yesterday then he sprung to life. He is a serious talent but I don't know if he's the serious competitor which will take him to the next level.

Moving Moylan isn't just about improving 5/8, it's about improving fullback as well.

He's got some serious deficiencies at the back. Lack of speed, his reads of attacking kicks, running the ball back, one on one defence. Those areas can be improved with someone else.

Obviously the question becomes can we cope with his defence in the line? We'll never know until we try it.

 

[Fangs]

Moving Moylan isn't just about improving 5/8, it's about improving fullback as well.

He's got some serious deficiencies at the back. Lack of speed, his reads of attacking kicks, running the ball back, one on one defence. Those areas can be improved with someone else.

Obviously the question becomes can we cope with his defence in the line? We'll never know until we try it.

I just want to tear my hair out when I see him join the main defensive line when he should be defending our in-goal.

I might even go bald before Moyza does.

 

[Pomoz]

Perhaps perhaps.

We have great options at fullback though. If Moylan is going to play as a 'false 5/8' in attack then why not just move him there? Cartwright is an inferior option.

But you are misunderstanding the situation. It isn't about fullback. I agree Edwards and DWZ are viable options at fullback. An improvement on kick returns and possibly defence, not so much on catching (DWZ?) and certainly not as good in attack. I din't explain myself very well. The problem here is the coaches view on 5/8th. For whatever reason he doesn't want Moylan in that position. If it isn't Moylan then Carty is the next best option (TMM is on the way out, if rumours are to be believed). Carty brings a balance that works well because he lets Moylan play as a false 5/8th without getting in the way. TMM maybe a great 5/8th eventually, but right now he isn't able to bring the best out of our team in that position. Although, if the rumours are true the WAGS like his ball skills.

 

[Munted]

I might even go bald before Moyza does.

Haha f**k. Poor bastards gonna look like George costanza before his career is out.

 

[betcats]

I just want to tear my hair out when I see him join the main defensive line when he should be defending our in-goal.

I might even go bald before Moyza does.

He is being coached to do this, it's common on the nrl Boyd for one always does it.

 

[Fangs]

He is being coached to do this, it's common on the nrl Boyd for one always does it.

Shits me to tears.

 

[betcats]

Shits me to tears.

No doubt he could do it more effectively but there is no point covering the in goal if there are holes in the defensive line, its a fullbacks job to plug those holes.

 

[herbert henry1908]

No doubt he could do it more effectively but there is no point covering the in goal if there are holes in the defensive line, its a fullbacks job to plug those holes.

The problem is lack of speed as well.

So he plugs the gap on the line during a play the ball but he needs to follow the ball when it's being spread. A good fullback does both.

 

[betcats]

The problem is lack of speed as well.

So he plugs the gap on the line during a play the ball but he needs to follow the ball when it's being spread. A good fullback does both.

Like i said he could do it more effectively at times but he definitely does trail the ball after plugging one of those holes as best he can, he is just slower than most FBs. He certainly isn't prime Billy slater, expecting him to be is setting yourself up for disappointment, and even Billy used to rely on Cronk and Smith reading and covering grubbers when he wasn't in position after plugging a hole defending on the try line, ive seen those two do it numerous times for Melbourne and qld, fullbacks cant always be in position. Moylans positioning is pretty good, teams dont find the grass against us very easily even when we are getting pumped. There are other parts of his game that require attention more than his positioning, stopping tries by getting under the ball and better covering of linebreaks up the field being the biggest ones imo, he covers kicks pretty well imo.

 

[mxlegend99]

Teams don't need to find the grass against us.. Moylan returning a kick is about the least threatening outcome they can get. The chances of him breaking a tackle are pretty low and normally he jogs back and makes very little metres. The only exception being if the kick chase is as horrible as the Warriors was. They let him make 30 odd metres before contact a few times. No urgency at all... and he saw that and exploited it.

Over the last few rounds teams have been happy to target Moylan and Hiku with kicks. There's little chance that either of them does much damage.

Moylan is pretty good at contesting them, but not much of a threat returning the ball unless he has support.
Hiku doesn't like to contest kicks really, and if he does take the ball he's not really much threat of busting the line either.

We saw what Dallin is capable of when the opposition let him wind up with the ball. You would have to imagine Knights will do their absolute best to keep the ball away from him.

 

[herbert henry1908]

We saw what Dallin is capable of when the opposition let him wind up with the ball. You would have to imagine Knights will do their absolute best to keep the ball away from him.

Dallin has really put some nice size on, strong in the upper body. Great asset to have along side Mansour. Either winger can bring the ball back strong.

 

[franklin2323]

No way we move Moylan. People to get that through their heads. How many FB related mistakes does he make? He does plenty in attack from there. The other options aren't as safe then you would have Moylan defending in the line hopeless

Remember Edwards errors in FG. That one against Souths dropping that pass led to a try. A few kickoffs dropped v Tigers. DWZ just let that 40/20 go into touch. It would mean the end to those sweeping plays we like. He would be deadly off a Cartwright offload though.

My Best 17 would be:

Moylan
DWZ
Blake
Whare
Mansour
TMM
Cleary
RCG
Wallace
Tamou
Cartwright
Yeo
Merrin

Latu
JFH ( Needs to finish a game)
Peachey
Kikau

 

[billypilgrimnz]

No way we move Moylan. People to get that through their heads. How many FB related mistakes does he make? He does plenty in attack from there. The other options aren't as safe then you would have Moylan defending in the line hopeless

Remember Edwards errors in FG. That one against Souths dropping that pass led to a try. A few kickoffs dropped v Tigers. DWZ just let that 40/20 go into touch. It would mean the end to those sweeping plays we like. He would be deadly off a Cartwright offload though.

My Best 17 would be:

Moylan
DWZ
Blake
Whare
Mansour
TMM
Cleary
RCG
Wallace
Tamou
Cartwright
Yeo
Merrin

Latu
JFH ( Needs to finish a game)
Peachey
Kikau

Edwards
DWZ
Peachey
Blake
Mansour
Moylan
Cleary
Merrin
Wallace
Tamou/RCG
Yeo
CHN
Cartwright

Tamou/RCG
Latu
Kikau
Akuola for me

 

[herbert henry1908]

No way we move Moylan. People to get that through their heads. How many FB related mistakes does he make? He does plenty in attack from there. The other options aren't as safe then you would have Moylan defending in the line hopeless

Remember Edwards errors in FG. That one against Souths dropping that pass led to a try. A few kickoffs dropped v Tigers. DWZ just let that 40/20 go into touch. It would mean the end to those sweeping plays we like. He would be deadly off a Cartwright offload though.

My Best 17 would be:

Moylan
DWZ
Blake
Whare
Mansour
TMM
Cleary
RCG
Wallace
Tamou
Cartwright
Yeo
Merrin

Latu
JFH ( Needs to finish a game)
Peachey
Kikau

TMM is gone though. Seems pretty clear.

So it's either Cartwright or Moylan.

And I think you're being pretty harsh on Edwards, few mistakes from his early NRL games doesn't mean much. Is he mistake prone in ISP?

 

[betcats]

Teams don't need to find the grass against us.. Moylan returning a kick is about the least threatening outcome they can get. The chances of him breaking a tackle are pretty low and normally he jogs back and makes very little metres. The only exception being if the kick chase is as horrible as the Warriors was. They let him make 30 odd metres before contact a few times. No urgency at all... and he saw that and exploited it.

Over the last few rounds teams have been happy to target Moylan and Hiku with kicks. There's little chance that either of them does much damage.

Moylan is pretty good at contesting them, but not much of a threat returning the ball unless he has support.
Hiku doesn't like to contest kicks really, and if he does take the ball he's not really much threat of busting the line either.

We saw what Dallin is capable of when the opposition let him wind up with the ball. You would have to imagine Knights will do their absolute best to keep the ball away from him.

You come up with some shit sometimes. Of course teams will kick towards Hiku and Moylan over Dallin, that is a no brainer but they are still trying find grass, kicking to anyone on the full on a long kick will cost you a minimum 15 metres usually more, only a f**king moron would kick to them on the full on purpose. Moylan taking kicks on the full was a big reason we were able to stay on top of the warriors on sat.

 

[betcats]

No way we move Moylan. People to get that through their heads. How many FB related mistakes does he make? He does plenty in attack from there. The other options aren't as safe then you would have Moylan defending in the line hopeless

Remember Edwards errors in FG. That one against Souths dropping that pass led to a try. A few kickoffs dropped v Tigers. DWZ just let that 40/20 go into touch. It would mean the end to those sweeping plays we like. He would be deadly off a Cartwright offload though.

My Best 17 would be:

Moylan
DWZ
Blake
Whare
Mansour
TMM
Cleary
RCG
Wallace
Tamou
Cartwright
Yeo
Merrin

Latu
JFH ( Needs to finish a game)
Peachey
Kikau

TMM won't be here next year. It will be one of Cartwright, Moylan or Cronk partnering Cleary next year. Also Whare has been an absolute passenger this year including average defence, I dont know how anyone has him above Peachey.