Bid names

[firechild]

Sydney Roosters is an appropriate name for the Roosters as their territory covers the Sydney CBD. Although you could argue that they should be called 'Sydney City' (which they were for a short time).

Again, I understand the reason for it, I was simply pointing out the irony. The thing with that argument is that the new team (as well as the existing team) will cover the area within Brisbane City (under the banner of the Brisbane City Council) so therefore the same logic can be applied.

 

[Loudstrat]

The Giants and Jets of NY seem to have no difficutlies. Around 900k people tune in to watch RL from Brisbane, only 30-40,000 of them go to Broncos games. Surely there is some latent support for a 2nd team there? They said the same thing about the Dockers yet they now get crowds in excess of 30K whilst the Eagles crowds remain sold out for many years ahead.

Perth Dockers? Never heard of them. I wonder if Fremantle got upset by hem stealing their nickname.........

Do agree though that a SQ name would have been better but maybe from a commercial point of view it will be easier to attract Brisbane business's to a Brisbane named team?

Hence the Broncos.........

You mean like the St George Dragons ........or the Newcastle Knights

or the Penrith Panthers

or the North Sydney Bears........... :crazy: :crazy: :crazy:

I can't understand how you manage to log in every day and not bust a vein in the ball sack hanging from your forehead

I should have known a chronic dribbler wouldnt understand the connection between those 4. Nor understand that other clubs bar Canterbury also have a mascot with a local connection, including the use if indigenous connections where possible (Sharks, Magpies, Eels, Dolphins, Perth Reds) while the 3 QLD NRL sides picked something that had nothing to do with their area. Two of them even preferred a Yank equivalent of Australian versions which would have made them unique.

Yes. I know. You try and think, and your brain hurts for 3 days, so you gave up thinking, and your parents bought you internet access as a reward. Lobotomies must really suck.

I'd say the Rugby League support base there is about 1.5 million at least. Remember not everyone can watch television every week.

It's definitely not been used to its full potential.

And the Broncos dont sell out every home game - why?

The thought that there are thousands of RL fans in Brisbane that cannot find a team to support is rediculous. It has been tried twice. The Crushers and the Mariners. Both failed spectacularly. The SL split was a perfect chance to test the "this town can support 2 teams theory", and in both cases the original team got almost 100% of the support. The fact that the Chargers on the Gold Coast (pop around 350k at the time) more than doubled the Crushers crowds in Brisbane (pop around 1.7 million at the time) speaks volumes.

The only hope for another Brisbane based side is to call it Redcliffe, Ipswich, Logan or something else than Brisbane. Then they lost the chance to represent the corporates in Brisbane.

Thats why South Queensland Crushers was a clever name. The Brisbane Broncos captured the market though, and leaves no room to differentiate.

 

[Quidgybo]

The thought that there are thousands of RL fans in Brisbane that cannot find a team to support is rediculous. It has been tried twice. The Crushers and the Mariners. Both failed spectacularly. The SL split was a perfect chance to test the "this town can support 2 teams theory", and in both cases the original team got almost 100% of the support. The fact that the Chargers on the Gold Coast (pop around 350k at the time) more than doubled the Crushers crowds in Brisbane (pop around 1.7 million at the time) speaks volumes.

You're not seriously going to use figures from a team that had around two minutes to establish itself before the game decended into its biggest meltdown in history as evidence or what will and won't work under normal circumstances? The Crushers weren't exactly the only team to go out of business during this time. Sides with decades of history and legions of indoctrinated supporters struggled to survive or ultimately went to the wall. Put a giant asterisk on years '95 to 2000, ring fence it, and leave it for discussions about how big a merkin Rupert really is.

Leigh

 

[docbrown]

The thought that there are thousands of RL fans in Brisbane that cannot find a team to support is rediculous. It has been tried twice. The Crushers and the Mariners. Both failed spectacularly. The SL split was a perfect chance to test the "this town can support 2 teams theory", and in both cases the original team got almost 100% of the support. The fact that the Chargers on the Gold Coast (pop around 350k at the time) more than doubled the Crushers crowds in Brisbane (pop around 1.7 million at the time) speaks volumes.

So you're going to base your theory on numbers from 13 years ago during a time when the majority of rugby league clubs were struggling...

 

[Loudstrat]

None struggled anywhere near as bad as the Mariners and Crushers. As I said, Gold Coast crowds dwarfed Crushers crowds.

Three other clubs were just as new as well. The only ones that went out of business without being killed off were - the Crushers.

 

[Mr Fourex]

I should have known a chronic dribbler wouldnt understand the connection between those 4. Nor understand that other clubs bar Canterbury also have a mascot with a local connection, including the use if indigenous connections where possible (Sharks, Magpies, Eels, Dolphins, Perth Reds) while the 3 QLD NRL sides picked something that had nothing to do with their area. Two of them even preferred a Yank equivalent of Australian versions which would have made them unique.

The connection between those four sides I randomly named?

Does Penrith have any Panthers......? Does Australia have any Panthers....:crazy:

Wests Tigers .......??? The extinct Tasmanian type is about as close as you'll get.

Does St George Illawarra have any Dragons ......? The mythological creature from medieval Great Britain, not the bearded dragon variety

Knights.....Sir Joey? Pffttt........

Bears.......somehow I don't think a Koala bear was the intended idea.

What's the fu*king local connection you're dribbling on about with these NSW based club names/mascots?

I'll give you a clue dickfist........there is none.

True to form......you have NFI what so ever.

 

[Loudstrat]

Whatever it's flaws, its the only comparison we have.

Got any other reason why the second teams both had no fans?

South Queensland had far more potential than the Cowboys based on population figures. How come the Cowpats flourished and the Crushers didnt? Answer - when push came to shove - the people in the Crushers area already had a local team to follow - the Broncos.

 

[BuffaloRules]

South Queensland had far more potential than the Cowboys based on population figures. How come the Cowpats flourished and the Crushers didnt? Answer - when push came to shove - the people in the Crushers area already had a local team to follow - the Broncos.

Yeah..lets forget the three years they were in existence were the three years of the Super League war...

Interestingly over that three year period they averaged 13,683 per game..

http://stats.rleague.com/rl/crowds/south_qld.html

Parramatta averaged 11,686...

http://stats.rleague.com/rl/crowds/parramatta.html

 

[Loudstrat]

Fourex - you have already proven that you are the forum dumb f*ck. No need to labour the point.

 

[Loudstrat]

Yeah..lets forget the three years they were in existence were the three years of the Super League war...

Interestingly over that three year period they averaged 13,683 per game..

http://stats.rleague.com/rl/crowds/south_qld.html

Parramatta averaged 11,686...

http://stats.rleague.com/rl/crowds/parramatta.html

And how did they go when the comp was split?

Broncos average 19298

Crushers average 7003

 

[docbrown]

And how did they go when the comp was split?

Broncos average 19298

Crushers average 7003

And the Broncos went from 35,000 in 95 to 19,000 in 97 as things turned to crap.

Are we going to scrap the Broncos?

 

[TheRam]

You have been owed once again Loudmouth...I mean Strat.

 

[besthalfbackPEARCE]

I think the Panthers connection is that there was a urban legend that a Panther or giant black cat roamed the Blue Mountains?

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/national/nsw-premier-on-panther-hunt/story-e6frf7l6-1111117531671

this link briefly refers to it...

"Despite a lack of firm evidence, Mr Rees no longer thinks stories of big cats such as a black panther stalking western Sydney are just an urban myth."

 

[BuffaloRules]

I dont follow your point about the comp being split?

Parramatta averaged 8300 in 1995 when the comps were together and the crushers averaged 21000 compared to the Broncos averaged 35,000...

The Crushers had the 5th best crowd average out of 20 teams in 1995.

is 1995 any more/less relevant than 1997?

21,000 is a reasonable result and would be more than acceptable these days...

I also seem to recall that for the three years they were around they were a pretty low side with the likes of Garrick Morgan and an over the hill Mario Fenech playing for them...

They certainly never had any success on the footy field...

 

[Mr Fourex]

Fourex - you have already proven that you are the forum dumb f*ck. No need to labour the point.

Submission accepted .........Loudsuck pwned. ;-)

 

[Jason Maher]

I suspect the Bombers name was chosen because it would get a reaction in Melbourne, and also to steal the the thunder of the Ipswich Jets bid (who were named for the nearby Amberley air base). And I don't see why is such a bad nicnkame. Storm is infinitely worse. I also don't understand why Crushers was a good name for a team based in SEQ, if it was meant as a sugarcane reference. There is very little sugar cane grown in SEQ. Central Queensland and over the border in the northern rivers is where the cane is.

 

[beave]

Minor in what way? Minor in the fact it is the second most played team sport in the world behind soccer? Minor in the fact that there are 73 competitive nations in the International Hockey Federation? Minor in that the Kookaburras are statistically one of Australia's most successful national sports teams, currently being ranked #1?

I don't think they should worry about sharing a name with teams in other sports but I don't think going with AFL team names is the best idea (despite there being tigers, magpies, bears [though both are now extinct], eagles and bulldogs already).

It's minor in Oz, if you think otherwise you are seriously deluded.If those clowns parading around as the Oz dodgeball team finished first in the world, would you then give that sport more weight in this country just because of their world standing????

 

[docbrown]

Central QLD Crushers......................?

 

[BDGS]

The Reds is by far the worst name, ffs these pinko's are putting it out there I'm surprised Gillard isn't backing it

What's wrong with the Reds? The Red Kangaroos, good name, they obviously can't be called the Kangaroos.

Unless you are talking about the QLD Reds, i have never seen a Red Koala.

 

[Bluebags1908]

Again, I understand the reason for it, I was simply pointing out the irony. The thing with that argument is that the new team (as well as the existing team) will cover the area within Brisbane City (under the banner of the Brisbane City Council) so therefore the same logic can be applied.

Yes but the difference is that the Roosters and only the Roosters geographically cover the Sydney CBD out of all the Sydney teams. That's not the case if you have 2 "Brisbane's" covering the Brisbane CBD.

Not that I am against having another "Brisbane" name in the comp anyway - even though I would prefer a more geographically defined name such as "South Brisbane" representing south of the river as the Broncos are based north of the river... I think it would create a more tribal atmosphere.