Boyd in hot water

[Whats Doing]

I would have thought a holiday after rehab is a good thing.

So you would go off on a holiday without telling and obtaining agreement from your employer.

It is a sackable offence

 

[Cumberland Throw]

Probably getting paid 4 times per month than Alex McKinnon is right now

His (best) mate

 

[Knight Vision]

Id hardly call it swindling

Looks like the club was looking to get rid of him and was doing the right thing by sorting out a payout in good faith. Dishing out $250K is better than $600K (keeping in mind we dont know the ins and outs of Darius' contract)

Hes now pissed on that by buggering off with 3 games to go and not notified the club that is still paying him. Now the payout has been withdrawn and the ball is back in his court

Its been a dick move from him and I simply cant wait to see the back of the bloke. Massive white elephant for the club

Indeed, not only his personal performances but his obvious bad attitude affecting the team as a whole.

 

[Knight Vision]

If it isn't swindling then I'm not sure what you'd call it, I never ever heard of a case where a player wants to leave and his club pays him to exercise a get out clause, it shows epic weakness on our part.
If we told him he'd spend the year in nSW cup and piss away all his rep jumpers do you really think he'd play hard ball and stay?

Matty Johns called in Gidely to grow a pair and show some spine.

 

[Joker's Wild]

If it isn't swindling then I'm not sure what you'd call it, I never ever heard of a case where a player wants to leave and his club pays him to exercise a get out clause, it shows epic weakness on our part.
If we told him he'd spend the year in nSW cup and piss away all his rep jumpers do you really think he'd play hard ball and stay?

Like I said mate, I dont know what is exactly written into his contract so I will give some benefit of the doubt to the club that the payout was the correct course of action

I also doubt that the club could legally say they will only play him in NSW Cup. That would be capping promotion which no workplace agreement would allow

Im as annoyed about the whole mess as anyone but things are rarely so simple

 

[Newie is God's Country]

Fair to say a more experienced CEO would have been able to see this coming? I cannot see Gidley being around with new board. He is a soft administrator.

 

[TooheysNew]

Like I said mate, I dont know what is exactly written into his contract so I will give some benefit of the doubt to the club that the payout was the correct course of action

I also doubt that the club could legally say they will only play him in NSW Cup. That would be capping promotion which no workplace agreement would allow

Im as annoyed about the whole mess as anyone but things are rarely so simple

Pretty sure it's not considered capping promotion.

 

[aqua_duck]

Tell him exactly how it is, if he stays he has to earn his spot if he doesn't he's in nsw cup, if that's capping promotion than let him take us to court.
Beside I have never ever heard of a player activating a get out clause and with that clause comes a 6 figure payout, makes no sense what so ever

 

[Still Nutty]

Fair to say a more experienced CEO would have been able to see this coming? I cannot see Gidley being around with new board. He is a soft administrator.

'...see this coming?' At what point - the contracting stage?

Boyd's contract was developed and executed well before Gidley took on the CEO role.

 

[Burwood]

He won't be sacked for holidaying overseas. Whether you think it is a sackable offence or not, it would be a PR nightmare for the club to get rid of a player who had recently been diagnosed with depression. Jeff Kennett and other figures would be all over the news for weeks deriding the club and their actions.

 

[Newie is God's Country]

'...see this coming?' At what point - the contracting stage?

Boyd's contract was developed and executed well before Gidley took on the CEO role.

Any CEO worth damn knows the ins and outs of deals involving his star players. If he doesn't he should not be there. Their ignorance of these things is unacceptable. Running the club means you know the contractual obligations of your players and other staff. You are the boss after all. The buck stops with him and Bennett on this one. Even more so now Tinkler has fled the ship.

I get what you are saying about the deal being pre Gidley but he is still the one who should be making the right moves to protect his club. Giving 250 K to a bloke who has bailed on us is either a legal thing or we are just plain sentimental to the point of giving money away as charity. Something we can ill afford. It is things like that the player mangers will exploit us for every cent over. You do for one you do for all. Precedent.

 

[Joker's Wild]

Pretty sure it's not considered capping promotion.

Depends how his contract is worded. If it says he should get a fair crack at a FG spot and management suddenly tell him he will only play NSW Cup....well, you can guess from there

 

[Spot On]

Like I said mate, I dont know what is exactly written into his contract so I will give some benefit of the doubt to the club that the payout was the correct course of action

I also doubt that the club could legally say they will only play him in NSW Cup. That would be capping promotion which no workplace agreement would allow

Im as annoyed about the whole mess as anyone but things are rarely so simple

Let's be honest here, overall his form warrants a long, long stint in NSW Cup anyway. A fullback that doesn't want to catch or return the footy is pretty shitful. We've got a heap of young blokes that can do a lot of what he's dished up over the past three seasons for a third of the price.

I was over this bloke midway through his first season with us. Each year he's played like a busted till origin started and only last season did he keep his from and actually look like he might give a shit when the team made a run very late in the year.


As for Gids, I've seen him confused about which end of the plane to get off. I didn't hear what M.Johns said but applaud him if he's called Gids to grow a set and take charge here. No wonder Bennett has supported Gids publicly for the job he's done the past few years, he's got Matt eating out of his hand.

Who's pulling the strings here?;-)

 

[macavity]

We are kidding talking about the legalities of a coach selecting the (in his opinion) best available team, right?

If Gidley pays him a red cent for playing against us he should sack himself. I am astounded it has even been discussed. He stays and puts in (and yes fair effort to your abilities is an obligation of employment) or he asks for a release and walks away with nothing. There is no third way and Gidley needs to have the balls to make public statement to that effect.

 

[eozsmiles]

I know it would never happen with the whole depression thing, but technically couldn't we just sack him now? Surely him running off to Greece and not fulfilling his commitments without even telling the club would be a breach of contract?

Not sure how it would all work out, but since blokes who have broken the law stay on the books it would be hard for the club to sack him, wouldn't it? If the club pays guys like BJ and Willie then they probably couldn't sack a depressed bloke who they'd given an indefinite recovery period to and wasn't even expected to front training until the new year....if ever.

 

[eozsmiles]

So you would go off on a holiday without telling and obtaining agreement from your employer.

It is a sackable offence

It probably isn't a sackable offence. Boyd was already on holiday/leave from his job with the full public support of his employer, so there is no issue with him not showing up when he was expected to. You don't have to tell your boss where you are on your time off in most jobs. Unless the club told him he had to be in a certain place...what can they say? Boyd probably only has to tell ASADA where he is lol.

On top of that, if Wayne said it's ok, the club can't say boo. Wayne is still calling the shots I guess, for another few days.

And as others have probably said.....where else was he meant to be? They knew he wouldn't be at training or the game......If I'm not expected at work, I can go anywhere I like. I assume Darius is the same and we all know he is on leave. Unless there is some agreement that he would stay in Newcastle during his recovery, what can the club do?

Which all sux but it's the way it goes.

 

[Noname36]

Not sure how it would all work out, but since blokes who have broken the law stay on the books it would be hard for the club to sack him, wouldn't it? If the club pays guys like BJ and Willie then they probably couldn't sack a depressed bloke who they'd given an indefinite recovery period to and wasn't even expected to front training until the new year....if ever.

It probably isn't a sackable offence. Boyd was already on holiday/leave from his job with the full public support of his employer, so there is no issue with him not showing up when he was expected to. You don't have to tell your boss where you are on your time off in most jobs. Unless the club told him he had to be in a certain place...what can they say? Boyd probably only has to tell ASADA where he is lol.

On top of that, if Wayne said it's ok, the club can't say boo. Wayne is still calling the shots I guess, for another few days.

And as others have probably said.....where else was he meant to be? They knew he wouldn't be at training or the game......If I'm not expected at work, I can go anywhere I like. I assume Darius is the same and we all know he is on leave. Unless there is some agreement that he would stay in Newcastle during his recovery, what can the club do?

Which all sux but it's the way it goes.

For starters, BJ hasn't done a thing wrong since he's been here...he's also never broken the law. The club has made it clear that they don't care what a player might have done at a previous club, but the moment they breach their contract here they're done which is fair enough. All Willie has done was get picked up for drink driving because he still had alcohol in his system from the night before. Hardly a sackable offense...and for the record the worst thing Willie has actually ever done was urinate in public. Anyone with a serious contract breach like Packer, Tets and Kelly were out of here stat.

We won't sack Boyd (the fallout given the depression wouldn't be worth it) but legally we absolutely could after this latest stunt. And he was only granted leave by the club to go into rehab. After he was discharged he can't just take more time off because he feels like it and skip the country without clearing it with his employer. Imagine if you did that? Your employer kindly gave you time off to go into rehab on stress leave or something, but when you were meant to come back you decided to just go on holiday instead without telling anyone? You'd be in shit.

And lastly, Wayne isn't Boyd's employer. They're both employed by the club. Doesn't matter whatsoever if Bennett says it's okay, Boyd still had a responsibility to clear it with his boss. Again it would be like you deciding to come back from granted leave late but only telling another work mate but not clearing it with your employer. It just shows a complete lack of respect for the club.

 

[Sydney Knight]

It probably isn't a sackable offence. Boyd was already on holiday/leave from his job with the full public support of his employer, so there is no issue with him not showing up when he was expected to. You don't have to tell your boss where you are on your time off in most jobs. Unless the club told him he had to be in a certain place...what can they say? Boyd probably only has to tell ASADA where he is lol.

On top of that, if Wayne said it's ok, the club can't say boo. Wayne is still calling the shots I guess, for another few days.

And as others have probably said.....where else was he meant to be? They knew he wouldn't be at training or the game......If I'm not expected at work, I can go anywhere I like. I assume Darius is the same and we all know he is on leave. Unless there is some agreement that he would stay in Newcastle during his recovery, what can the club do?

Which all sux but it's the way it goes.

If someone is on extended sick leave they wouldn't have to tell there player where they are all the time but they would at least be expected to keep there employer updated on things on a regular basis.

Not a sackable offence but I think he has burned any possible good will in the parting of ways. I think Wayne Bennett has a fair bit to answer for because there was no way Darius would have went OS without telling him so he could have least advised him to discuss it with Gids first. If they were advised I can't imagine the club would have had an issue

 

[Knight Vision]

Let's be honest here, overall his form warrants a long, long stint in NSW Cup anyway. A fullback that doesn't want to catch or return the footy is pretty shitful. We've got a heap of young blokes that can do a lot of what he's dished up over the past three seasons for a third of the price.

I was over this bloke midway through his first season with us. Each year he's played like a busted till origin started and only last season did he keep his from and actually look like he might give a shit when the team made a run very late in the year.


As for Gids, I've seen him confused about which end of the plane to get off. I didn't hear what M.Johns said but applaud him if he's called Gids to grow a set and take charge here. No wonder Bennett has supported Gids publicly for the job he's done the past few years, he's got Matt eating out of his hand.

Who's pulling the strings here?;-)

Spot On Spot On

 

[Swarzey]

Haha. Get f**ked merkin.

NEWCASTLE CEO Matt Gidley says troubled fullback Darius Boyd’s playing future is in his own hands and it’s up to him to decide where he wants to play next season.

But if Boyd opts to walk away from the final year of his $600,000 contract in Newcastle to join the Brisbane Broncos, the Knights won’t be giving him a payout.

“The ball is in Darius’s court,” Gidley said.

“He has made it clear he wants to move on but if that has changed and he now wants to stay, he can stay.

“What hasn’t changed is the board is firm on there being no pay-out if he decides he wants to play elsewhere.”

The Knights were incensed that after being discharged from a mental health facility after three weeks’ treatment, Boyd went on a European holiday with his wife without telling club officials of his plans.

Ex-coach Wayne Bennett, who is Brisbane-bound, bought into the controversy on Sunday, claiming the club was aware Boyd needed time off to treat his mental illness and would not be back for the remainder of the season.

“Darius advised me that he was not mentally capable of finishing the season and his therapist agreed with that,’’ Bennett said.

“He told me he wouldn’t be available for Australia (for the Four Nations) and wouldn’t be available for the Knights for the rest of the season.

“He needed to sort some things out with his wife, address some (mental) issues and I went to Matt Gidley the following morning after Darius had rung me the night before and I informed the CEO of the club that he wouldn’t be playing for the rest of the season.

“That’s how it works in any workplace. You inform your manager, which is me, and I went and told the CEO. He was informed and then I told his teammates. What the club does is their business.’’

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sp...-ceo-matt-gidley/story-fni3gf5j-1227058311809