Bradford Bulls went into administration and faced 'extinction'

[gutterfax]

That has nothing to do with what I posted.

You said they had zero fans, that was a lie.

Sorry, I forgot. You're Australian and anything from outside NSW needs to be explained to you...S-L-O-W-L-Y as well as include diagrams. :roll:

I meant away fans......Catalans and London are responsible for the majority of "low": crowds in SL when they are playing away from home.

If Bradford were to be binned, then I suspect the other SL chairmen would prefer to have a team that will bring more than the Taxi load Catalans bring....
.....clear enough?

 

[Evil Homer]

'Lack of away fans' is a pathetic and irrelevant argument. Clubs should be responsible for building their own fan bases, not relying on others. The only people who complain about away support are those who are too lazy and stupid to actually develop their clubs to an acceptable standard.

 

[ParraEelsNRL]

'Lack of away fans' is a pathetic and irrelevant argument. Clubs should be responsible for building their own fan bases, not relying on others. The only people who complain about away support are those who are too lazy and stupid to actually develop their clubs to an acceptable standard.

Exactly.

 

[ParraEelsNRL]

Sorry, I forgot. You're Australian and anything from outside NSW needs to be explained to you...S-L-O-W-L-Y as well as include diagrams. :roll:

I meant away fans......Catalans and London are responsible for the majority of "low": crowds in SL when they are playing away from home.

If Bradford were to be binned, then I suspect the other SL chairmen would prefer to have a team that will bring more than the Taxi load Catalans bring....
.....clear enough?

Yeah, and Bradford is how far away from Leeds or the other heartland clubs?

Now tell me some of the distances travelled in Aus and NZ for fans compared?

:crazy:

 

[BODISGOD]

I'm not really sure why you don't take Gutters post on board.

The reality is that Bradford are a significant drawcard and have well established local rivalries without which attendances will be damaged. Given the fact that most SL clubs are in the main fairly close together, this is a reality of the past 100 odd years. "Build your own fanbase", they have but are you saying that having nearby rivals with travelling support is never going to happen? Not only that but home crowds are drawn to rivalries as well as the travelling fans. The knock on effect is enormous.

It is pure economic sense what Gutters is saying on this..though I really hope they are punished more than just 1 year out.

You would much rather swap Tolouse for London than for Bradford in pure monetary terms.

 

[gutterfax]

'Lack of away fans' is a pathetic and irrelevant argument. Clubs should be responsible for building their own fan bases, not relying on others. The only people who complain about away support are those who are too lazy and stupid to actually develop their clubs to an acceptable standard.

I never said I agreed with the sentiment.

I have gone on record many times applauding the work done by the marketing teams at clubs like Hull FC, Wigan and even Wakefield when faced with the visit of us or the French. The really go to town on promotion and a glance at the Wigan v London attendance shows what can be achieved...18,605...the third biggest gate that year....they sold an entire stand to Heinz.....clever stuff.

Alas, there are a number of SL chairmen who are in the process of tightening their belts....McManus and Hudgell to name just 2, have recently whined about the need to cut costs and generate more revenue.
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepag...e-is-bankrupt-says-Hull-KR-chairman-Neil.html
Hudgell even openly blames expansion...

Please feel free to explain how adding another trip to the south of France for 25-30 players and staff as well as offering nothing in the way of compensation for the loss of 15-20k in ticket sales will appeal to these chairmen?

As I SAID...I agree. Away attendances are the responsibility of the home team to deal with......but alas, this is RL we're discussing and unless it's played at the foot of their garden, getting fans to games can sometimes prove a chore.

 

[BODISGOD]

I'd also add in the long term yeah it might even out a bit but these are businesses and are run on year to year budgets. It's the same argument with Rangers getting kicked out of the SPL in Scotland, though their impact on TV rights value would be far more important than Bradfords in addition to the away crowds they bring.

 

[docbrown]

I'm not really sure why you don't take Gutters post on board

He trolls 99% of the time and then says "Oh but I'm being super serious about this one..." :lol:

It will be interesting what the SL does regarding Bradford. Like I said whatever happens it will define the Super League zeitgeist.

 

[gutterfax]

He trolls 99% of the time and then says "Oh but I'm being super serious about this one..." :lol:

It will be interesting what the SL does regarding Bradford. Like I said whatever happens it will define the Super League zeitgeist.

Get it right doc.
On TFC I will mostly rattle cages, because that's what you expect me to do. Elsewhere, I am as serious as cancer when it comes to wanting the Great Game of RL to prosper....

What has happened at Bradford is trerrible and I feel for their fans. I expect that the idiot that went some way to causing this will pick up the remains of this once great club and will look to rebuild it with very little investment from himself.....the RFL, who have a vested interest in the club being at the top table, will probably advise the chairmen on which way to vote....and Bradford will remain in SL.

As for the "away" fan discussion....I would warn you that as a London Broncos fan who is completely obsessed with attendances, any further discussion may well decend into a statistical tsunami :lol:.....14,000 posts and counting on the subject on RLFANS.

I agree, visiting fans are a bonus, but in the Superleague, 10 home games against the heartland teams represents a potential 200k in gate revenue....replace Bradford with Toulouse and you cut 10% off that......is the SL chairmen voted for that, it would be like turkeys voting for christmas

 

[Evil Homer]

I never said I agreed with the sentiment.

I have gone on record many times applauding the work done by the marketing teams at clubs like Hull FC, Wigan and even Wakefield when faced with the visit of us or the French. The really go to town on promotion and a glance at the Wigan v London attendance shows what can be achieved...18,605...the third biggest gate that year....they sold an entire stand to Heinz.....clever stuff.

Alas, there are a number of SL chairmen who are in the process of tightening their belts....McManus and Hudgell to name just 2, have recently whined about the need to cut costs and generate more revenue.
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepag...e-is-bankrupt-says-Hull-KR-chairman-Neil.html
Hudgell even openly blames expansion...

Please feel free to explain how adding another trip to the south of France for 25-30 players and staff as well as offering nothing in the way of compensation for the loss of 15-20k in ticket sales will appeal to these chairmen?

As I SAID...I agree. Away attendances are the responsibility of the home team to deal with......but alas, this is RL we're discussing and unless it's played at the foot of their garden, getting fans to games can sometimes prove a chore.

A successful Toulouse side has the potential to bring far more money into the league than Bradford ever could through a couple of hundred away fans. I'm not advocating putting TO in the league next year BTW, they should be added on their own terms to ensure success, but I just get annoyed when people bring up the away fans issue because it's not valid at all. Attract an extra 70-80 fans per home game and that would more than make up for the loss of 1,000 visiting Bradford fans.

 

[gutterfax]

A successful Toulouse side has the potential to bring far more money into the league than Bradford ever could through a couple of hundred away fans. I'm not advocating putting TO in the league next year BTW, they should be added on their own terms to ensure success, but I just get annoyed when people bring up the away fans issue because it's not valid at all. Attract an extra 70-80 fans per home game and that would more than make up for the loss of 1,000 visiting Bradford fans.

you could have just posted your previous post :roll:

I repeat, I don't advocate the reliance on away fans......but is sems idiots like hudgell do.

BTW, Sky don't sell dishes in France...why would Toulouse bring more cash to the table than Bradford?

Are you saying that French RL would grow and therefore in 30 or 50 years command more money? Sorry, but this is a forum dominated by aussies....and it was aussie clubs who were threatening not to play at the start of this season if they idn't get more TV money NOW........PRUDENCE AND PATIENCE......both lacking anywhere in connection with RL.

Toulouse in SL in the next 20 years would be a mistake IMO....unless ESPN buy the rights for SL......then, BRING IT ON!

 

[Evil Homer]

you could have just posted your previous post :roll:

I repeat, I don't advocate the reliance on away fans......but is sems idiots like hudgell do.

BTW, Sky don't sell dishes in France...why would Toulouse bring more cash to the table than Bradford?

Are you saying that French RL would grow and therefore in 30 or 50 years command more money? Sorry, but this is a forum dominated by aussies....and it was aussie clubs who were threatening not to play at the start of this season if they idn't get more TV money NOW........PRUDENCE AND PATIENCE......both lacking anywhere in connection with RL.

Toulouse in SL in the next 20 years would be a mistake IMO....unless ESPN buy the rights for SL......then, BRING IT ON!

Sky don't sell TV dishes in France. Plenty of French TV channels do though. As it turns out, Al-Jazeera appear to be strongly behind French RL, but having a second club would massively increase the sport's value. The club chairmen aren't idiots, there are already reports of the likes of Ian Lenegan, Simon Moran and Gary Hetherington lobbying for Toulouse's inclusion (that's the Wigan, Warrington and Leeds chairmen if you didn't know). I don't see what relevance Aussie clubs have to anything. Toulouse will be in SL within 5 years, and if they aren't then the RFL and clubs will have completely dropped the ball.

Apart from RU fanboys, nobody is satisfied with the sport at it's current level, everyone but the most mindless idiots recognizes the vital need for expansion to bring additional money into the game. If any club chairmen are happy with the status quo, then they will be left behind and their clubs will stagnate and die.

 

[WireMan]

There no proof at the moment that Bradford will even exist soon, never mind a vote to keep them in.

A temp newco could be set up and a lot of clubs will sign current Bradford players and loan them to this new club for the rest of the season. Any newco won't be able to pay the full amount of the contracts or run Odsal (if they could Bradford would not be in a mess now). Then after the season end, thats all she wrote. You may even find some of the people responsible are banned from Rugby for a bit.

Even Halifax fans don't think they are ready for the super league. Its one thing making a profit in the championship on crowds of a few thousand and low wages. Its finding the extra 6 or 7 thousand they need which causes the problem. There is little point replacing a big club in Yorkshire with a small one.

Toulouse will help the French game, add an extra element of interest into the comp, will improve international rugby, and maybe the likes of ESPN or Eurosport may take an interest in showing French games in the UK.


On Odsal, the RFL now own an asset, which they can sell back to council so the land can be redeveloped. This is why they did the deal. If they didn't, they would be left with a credit note from Bradford Bulls which in about a week will be worthless...

 

[docbrown]

Get it right doc.
On TFC I will mostly rattle cages, because that's what you expect me to do. Elsewhere, I am as serious as cancer when it comes to wanting the Great Game of RL to prosper....

I really don't care what your personal issues are with some of those other posters. I was never on that other forum so it means nothing to me.

 

[deluded pom?]

Haven't the RFL guaranteed that Bradford will finish the 2012 season? As for a one year punishment, how would that work seeing as the licence system is a three year thing? You couldn't invite someone to replace Bradford and then twelve months later tell them they are going back from where they came from. If Bradford fold then they fold. I feel sorry for the fans but these things happen in professional sport. They aren't the first and they won't be the last.

 

[bowes]

Halifax would be the replacements. I wouldn't rule out Toulouse coming in when London inevitably drop out in a couple of years, assuming their bid is up to scratch (there's no point putting them in if it isn't). But they may also want another Championship club up if one is ready (to replace a club without a new ground?)

 

[deluded pom?]

Bradford have just made all non playing staff redundant. That includes Mick Potter who was asked to carry on until the end of the season without pay. Mick told them to ram it.

 

[roughyedspud]

brian noble has been asked to take charge apparently

 

[gutterfax]

Website is down
http://www.bradfordbulls.co.uk/
It seems there's a meeting with the players tomorrow.....also, at the fans forum last night, a poster on another site reckons that a director from http://www.greenwoodsonline.com/ reckoned he had been trying to get hold of tyhe adminsitrator.....they are owned by a large chinese VC company....

 

[gutterfax]

http://www.sportinglife.com/rugby-league/news/article/480/7860713/guilfoyle-hopes-for-extra-time
Potential to be given more time to find an investor.......2 more weeks could be vital.