Breaking Bad

[BDR]

I've heard that there will be no promos for the remaining episodes due to security around the shot footage.

Must have missed the writing on Holly, I'll have to go back and have a look.

edit: first part was 308 Negra Arroyo Lane, which is their address. The rest of it looks like Holly and the start of a phone number.

 

[Maximus]

Also, parallels between Walt's face after Hank was shot and Gus's face after his partner was shot.

Yeah for anyone that missed it http://i.imgur.com/E60ZhXV.gif

Also, anyone see Walt's pants from season 1?

http://imgur.com/DmDvbup

The way Gilligan links everything to the past and foreshadows the future, and all the tiny details he includes is what makes this show so great for me.

Is there a promo of the next episode anywhere?

Yep

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQSTieJH70Y

 

[Fufu Andronez]

http://youtu.be/duKL2dAJN6I

anyone catch this skit of breaking bad? I normally dont like Jimmy Fallon but this is quality.

 

[Fufu Andronez]

I've heard that there will be no promos for the remaining episodes due to security around the shot footage.

Must have missed the writing on Holly, I'll have to go back and have a look.

edit: first part was 308 Negra Arroyo Lane, which is their address. The rest of it looks like Holly and the start of a phone number.

Ahh ok, it looked like there was a few pages on her, never know with this show one little thing this could be massive next week.

 

[BDR]

Yep

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQSTieJH70Y

Shows what I know :lol:

 

[Springs]

I think Springs is missing the point of the show

Um, how exactly?

Just to add if Gilligan wanted Walt to be entirely to blame for Jane's death he'd have gone with the original plan of Walt directly murdering her.

Jane's death was enabled by Jesse, Jane and Walt. In many ways Walt played an almost passive role in it. What show are you watching where you keep trying to search for black and white morality here

Oh ffs you people miss the point. This wasn't started by me 'searching for black & white mentality', this was started by people trying to defend Walt when I called him a merkin. So then I explained why I thought he was a merkin, people defended again and escalation, blah blah blah.

The reason Gilligan didn't have Walt murder Jane was because he didn't want the viewers to lose sympathy with Walt so early. Jane's death was caused by Jane. She chose to take heroin again. Saying Jesse caused it because he smoked meth near her is like saying it's Jane's fault for letting Jesse, whom she knows is a drug addict, stay near her. Jesse's role was passive, but still there.
Walt on the other hand, accidentally flipped her on her back, which caused her to choke. Had every chance to save her but didn't, as he admitted. No way is that a passive role.

If this is your view then you don't really understand why people cheer for Walt

It was a throwaway line. But seriously people do cheer for Walt because of that. Not everyone has to cheer for Walt for the same reasons you do just like everyone doesn't have to have the same view on the show as you do.

I don't see, for instance, how Walt's measured poisoning of Brock is any worse than Jesse dealing meth to addicts in drug rehabilitation.

Seriously? Walt and Jesse have been dealing to addicts this entire show. In fact Walt supplied Jesse with the best meth out there, so already he's as bad as Jesse dealing to methheads.
Walt poisoned a f**king child. He put a child in the hospital so he could get his own way.

I support Walt because I'm not sympathetic to Jesse at all. Walt got into the business for a reason, Jesse is just an ordinary junkie criminal. Not because Walt is a "badass", but certainly because Walt is more calm, rational and level headed than Jesse is. Jesse just has a hang up about kids, he certainly doesn't give a shit about anything else.

Then that's fair enough, I don't care about that. But don't go off with the stupid posts when I call Walt a merkin.
You like Walt because he's smart and he's a great player. Whatever. People like Stringer Bell and Boyd Crowder and Al Swearengen as well.
But Jesse certainly does give a shit about more than kids. And sure Walt got into the business for his family, but part of why I hate him is because even though there were so many people that could support him, even though he had enough damn money and beat cancer, he decided to stay a criminal to build his empire and be no.1, to show how he's smarter than everyone else. And that ego of his led to his separation from his family, death of his loved ones and the ruined lives of many.

 

[Springs]

LOL! The baby is also his, dumbass! He IS the father, remember?

The whole phone call to Skylar was to cover HER ass, not his!

ERRR I KNOW dumbass. But somehow I don't think a very dangerous man taking a baby without consent of his wife then driving away in an old truck to who knows where is an honourable act, somehow, dumbass.

Oh the phone call was to cover Skylar? No way! Don't tell me Walt's smart enough to know the police would be listening and then detail several of his crimes, telling Skylar how she was under threat the whole time she co-operated with him, telling her how she could end up the same as Hank etc. and for some reason crying while he did it? That's strange?

 

[Springs]

Just on springs weird rant
"I much prefer history, true or feigned, with its varied applicability to the thought and experience of readers. I think that many confuse 'applicability' with 'allegory'; but one resides in the freedom of the reader, and the other resides in the purposed domination of the author."
? J. R. R. Tolkien

interpret Gandalf how you like. Tolkien agrees with me

Nice taking out of context there.

"Other arrangements could be devised according to the tastes or views of those who like allegory or topical reference. But I cordially dislike allegory in all its manifestations, and always have done so since I grew old and wary enough to detect its presence."
He is saying that allegory can be taken from what he has written, but he hasn't put it there. So anyone saying that Tolkien put Gandalf in as an allegory of Jesus is not right.
Applicability is him saying readers can take the story as it applies to them, or how their life applies to it. It doesn't mean they can say Tolkien created Gandalf as a symbol of Jesus, or that the War of the Ring is a allegory of World War I, as Tolkien did not put it there. They can say Gandalf is a Christ figure, or that the War of the Ring had the same brutality as WWI, but they can't say it's a direct allegory.

 

[Pete Cash]

It means that he is less bothered about writers intention than readers (or in this case viewers) interpretation. Without living Gilligans or the writers teams exact life we aren't drawing from their experiences and thus we can apply our own.

Have you ever seen the wire ? What message did you springs take from it (dont Google David Simons opinions)

 

[Joker's Wild]

Honestly, I was really starting to turn on Walt until this episode. Up until last night he was spiralling down a hole of his own making and didnt seem too concerned with the mess he was making as long as his end game, making money for his nest egg, was achieved.

Now I can see that he is a man willing to make the ultimate sacrifice to protect his family. Im not talking about giving up his life but rather going the step further by giving up and in fact totally destroying his legacy as a man. No one is going to remember him as a good father, loving husband, etc now and by playing the heartless badass for the benefit of the listening cops, he has traded his reputation as a human to save Skyler and Hank from being complicit in his crimes. His threats and veiled admissions will go a long way to gaining them sympathy in the eyes of the law.

A couple of years ago I would have just thought he was a pathetic prick who is getting what he deserves, but now that Im a husband and father I have an appreciation of his mindset and actions.

It was a very powerful episode for me

 

[Pete Cash]

That's why morally it's not a simple show. He also has doomed Jesse to slavery (walt thought death) because Jesse betrayed him. It's not a black and white thing. Walt does both good and bad like any human..

 

[umina panther]

Jesse shouldn't of f**ked with Walt. Walt saved him over and over

 

[Chook]

Walt admitting to Jesse he stood by and let Jane die as he was lead away to be tortured and killed is why I love this show. Truly brilliant writing.

Chook.

 

[Springs]

It means that he is less bothered about writers intention than readers (or in this case viewers) interpretation. Without living Gilligans or the writers teams exact life we aren't drawing from their experiences and thus we can apply our own.

Have you ever seen the wire ? What message did you springs take from it (dont Google David Simons opinions)

That's what my argument was. About applying the work to your own experiences.
And in no way does that make my thing about Gandalf=Jesus wrong. He explicitly states there is no allegory. Applicability isn't about applying an allegory that isn't there. And it doesn't mean that suddenly Vince Gilligan's intentions don't matter. And it seems you think that as well considering you just argued about how 'if Gilligan's intention was for such and such then he'd just have Walt murder Jane'.
In the Lord of the Rings you can apply your own experiences to the story and vice versa. That's what I did. Hell it's an inherently Christian work yet it's meant more to me than any other book and I'm an atheist. Saying Gandalf is a symbol of Jesus is allegory, and as Tolkien said, people can devise their own allegories, but that doesn't make it true. Saying Gandalf is an allegory to Jesus is explicitly stating that Tolkien put that allegory there, which is untrue. An allegory cannot be there unless the author puts it there. The work doesn't have some mind of it's own, creating it's own themes and messages while the author is simply a vessel.

The Wire has many messages. Several new ones in just one episode. The ones that spoke to me most were the messages about chain of command, changing the stats, studying for tests etc about making the higher-ups look better than actually helping the town. As Prez said 'juking the stats and Majors become Colonels'. But that's what I've taken out of it recently, I only finished season 4 the other day and it would take an age to list all the various messages that have come out of different storylines.
But mostly I found it a show that's closest to reflecting reality. My favourite line was 'it's all part of the game', reflecting life, not just the drug trade.

 

[Springs]

That's why morally it's not a simple show. He also has doomed Jesse to slavery (walt thought death) because Jesse betrayed him. It's not a black and white thing. Walt does both good and bad like any human..

Exactly right. But his bad actions are a bit more extreme than most humans.

And yes, Walt is now giving up his reputation to protect his family, but this has only came after several opportunities to turn away from the path he chose, after he selfishly wanted them to leave everything and come with him, and after all of his actions finally got one of his loved ones killed.
In my eyes he regained his humanity after Holly asked for her mother in the bathroom. He realised it was all on him and he can't drag his family down with him anymore.

But not only that, but his actions also look to have more consequences for his family, with the Nazis likely to go looking for Jesse's tape.

Jesse shouldn't of f**ked with Walt. Walt saved him over and over

And Walt betrayed and manipulated Jesse over and over. Plus Jesse saved Walt a number of times as well.

 

[Pete Cash]

It's interesting you missed to me the most obvious message of the wire. That the war on ElephantJuice has failed poor America. That prohibition does not work because of your own biases which is fair enough but does it make my reading of it more correct because I have the same political views as David Simon so I see his (to me) very obvious message clearly.

Vince Gilligan might believe Walt should have no sympathy that's his interpretation. It should be considered but it's not the universal truth.

I agree with your final comment on the Jesse Walt relationship. Walt treated him pretty shitty but remember the scene Walt jnr is learning to drive. He just seems like a prick as an authority figure.

 

[Springs]

It's interesting you missed to me the most obvious message of the wire. That the war on ElephantJuice has failed poor America. That prohibition does not work because of your own biases which is fair enough but does it make my reading of it more correct because I have the same political views as David Simon so I see his (to me) very obvious message clearly.

Vince Gilligan might believe Walt should have no sympathy that's his interpretation. It should be considered but it's not the universal truth.

I agree with your final comment on the Jesse Walt relationship. Walt treated him pretty shitty but remember the scene Walt jnr is learning to drive. He just seems like a prick as an authority figure.

That's the message you have taken out of it, and I never argued with that. In fact I explicitly stated people can take whatever message they want and apply it to their own lives. What I said they can't do is create allegory that isn't there then state it was the intention of the author. There are many themes to the Wire and I did not miss that one. I just stated the one that spoke most recently to me. I agree with that theme. As soon as they called it a war it was doomed to fail. Hell, like they said 'call something a war pretty soon everybody gonna be running around thinking they warriors'. Not to mention many of those on the right side of the law are as bad as those they are 'fighting' anyway.

It means Gilligan has created a character he believes has no sympathy. It is not his 'interpretation', it's his character. It doesn't have to be the universal truth but it is the truth that the creator believes he should have no sympathy. Other people can still have sympathy for him though.

 

[herbert henry1908]

9942 people have reviewed this episode on IMDB

9495 have given it 10/10

Ive never seen anything like that.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2301451/ratings?ref_=tt_ov_rt

 

[Pete Cash]

Well....that's basically what I said. My point is that it doesn't really matter what Gilligan says

he's not the first author that accidentally created an evil character that others find more sympathetic than he intended through good writing. People will like a well written character. Have you ever read (or know of) the book Lolita. Same deal with that. There is no way in hell Nabokov meant for the main character to be liked. Some people like him though.

 

[Pete Cash]

9942 people have reviewed this episode of IMDB

9495 have given it 10/10

Ive never seen anything like that.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2301451/ratings?ref_=tt_ov_rt

It made me almost feel physically ill in parts. It was amazing tv.