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Stagger eel

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I lol at the dopes who didn't bother to turn up at the AGM whinging about the dopes who did..

I suppose democracy is only valued when it suits us..
 
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Stagger and Jodeci, i gather the resolutions were mainly turned down due to the wording and that they may have even been illegal ones and not the actually meaning of the resolutions. I gather most people for for the 3 years term, code of conduct and independent board member but due the wording voted against it.
Is that a fair assumption?
 

Jodeci

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Stagger and Jodeci, i gather the resolutions were mainly turned down due to the wording and that they may have even been illegal ones and not the actually meaning of the resolutions. I gather most people for for the 3 years term, code of conduct and independent board member but due the wording voted against it.
Is that a fair assumption?

Spot on.

Dennis even mentioned that he would take legal action and it was unlawful.
 

Jodeci

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thats what i thought.
So why weren't they written up by lawyers?
Seems very unprofessional.

That's a very good point Parra-matters.

The lawyer didn't understand the mechanics I suppose is the best way I can put it regarding the constitution and the other acts they mentioned 100 times.

Dennis knew the limitations and knew the rules back to front and this was supported by the former leagues club lawyer for many years in Chris Jurd.

They simply didn't do their homework.

Hopefully for the next Leagues Club AGM, they have done their homework when they re-put these motions up again.
 
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There must be lawyers that specialize in these sorts of things, we use specialized strata lawyers as they know the laws back to front and know the wording to make things bullet proof. You would think the club could find a lawyer with the expertise to do similar relating to the registered clubs act.
Someone stuffed up me thinks.

And of coarse Dennis is going to know the laws he was running a registered club for 30years. Why wouldn't the board seek Chris Jurd to write motions? he has the experience and expertise?
 
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As far as I remember the last time we wanted to change a constitutional point (I think that was to allow directors over the age of 75 to contuinue as directors) the text of the current part of the consitution needs to be presented and then the new wording of the constitution be presented. Somthing like.

Motion, that Point 1.5 of the constiution be ammended from

"The sporting colours of the club are to be royal blue and gold"

to be

"The sporting colours of the club are to be Pantone 19-3955 TCX Royal Blue and
Pantone 15-1062 TCX Gold Fusion"

If that was how the changes were submitted, that would help. It would also help if the adding of the code of conduct would also have had ramifications for not abiding by it, but my guess is that would be taken under a different part of the constitution (disciplinary matters).
 

Jodeci

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There must be lawyers that specialize in these sorts of things, we use specialized strata lawyers as they know the laws back to front and know the wording to make things bullet proof. You would think the club could find a lawyer with the expertise to do similar relating to the registered clubs act.
Someone stuffed up me thinks.

And of coarse Dennis is going to know the laws he was running a registered club for 30years. Why wouldn't the board seek Chris Jurd to write motions? he has the experience and expertise?

Chris Jurd is a long life friend of Dennis.

They were both speaking against the motions.
 

hineyrulz

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Got to laugh at all the geniuses in here attempting to discredit Bill Moss.
We definitely have the dumbest fans of any club.
besides Casper and Jake who on here us trying to discredit Moss????

I just thinking whinging to a hack Journo wasn't the right way to go about things, good to hear he still wants to help the club anyway he can.
 

BennyBoy

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No matter how good the intentions of those involved that AGM demonstrated just why we need professional people on the board. The AGM was a farce run by amateurs clearly out of their depth, it was embarrassing.
 

Stagger eel

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Stagger and Jodeci, i gather the resolutions were mainly turned down due to the wording and that they may have even been illegal ones and not the actually meaning of the resolutions. I gather most people for for the 3 years term, code of conduct and independent board member but due the wording voted against it.
Is that a fair assumption?

Pretty much...

I've been to every AGM post fitzy reign and I've never heard speak so passionately and direct against the motions and he's obviously done his research because he didn't put a word out of place, poor old sharpie was a deer in head lights the other night and I genuinely felt sorry for him.. Fitzy was scathing and brutal it was really ugly to watch..

By the way, I'm still waiting on my letter to inform me of the proposed motions but I suppose it wasn't as important as it was football club AGM..
 

emjaycee

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I think one of the reasons that the actual changes to the constitution were not part of the motions themselves was that there are numerous places in the constitution to change for each motion and because there were 4 motions regarding constitutional changes, there would potentially be 12 versions depending on which changes were passed. The Club Lawyer made it clear that all changes necessary would have been made in accordance with both the Registered Clubs Act and the Corporations Law as well as the existing constitution and he even commented in agreement with both DF and Jurd however they ignored him on both occasions.
 

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As far as I remember the last time we wanted to change a constitutional point (I think that was to allow directors over the age of 75 to contuinue as directors) the text of the current part of the consitution needs to be presented and then the new wording of the constitution be presented. Somthing like.

Motion, that Point 1.5 of the constiution be ammended from

"The sporting colours of the club are to be royal blue and gold"

to be

"The sporting colours of the club are to be Pantone 19-3955 TCX Royal Blue and
Pantone 15-1062 TCX Gold Fusion"

If that was how the changes were submitted, that would help. It would also help if the adding of the code of conduct would also have had ramifications for not abiding by it, but my guess is that would be taken under a different part of the constitution (disciplinary matters).

Carn the Pantone TCX's !!

screw that! I'm not supporting any Patone wearing pansys ... I object!! :fist:
 

TheRam

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For those who think paying board members would attract top line candidates, you are being a little naive. The same argument is made for the pollies and how has that worked out?

Board members of clubs and pollies for that matter, should be paid sfa. If you think the right candidate needs to be paid by a football club so he/she can afford or be attracted to the job, well you are just plain kidding yourselves. As someone else has already pointed out, just take a look at the Easts board.

The "right" kind of candidate to join a NRL football board should be very successful person and therefore wouldn't need a couple hundred grand to motivate them to accept the post. What should be the primary motivation to run an NRL board is passion for that club or for football itself. End of story. Short of that you wouldn't want a board full of mercenaries who are just there for the perks and salaries. That will only lead to even more perks and higher salaries still, without necessarily doing anything to justify such great personal gain and prosperity.

If you don't believe that, just look at the massive and what should be illegal, benefits all pollies have voted in for themselves over the decades, with absolutely no justification what so ever. As for their quality of work and performance, well the coming budget is going to be another sick example of how badly we have all been let down and betrayed.

Like I have said before, when you hear of career politicians, think of a career full of life long opportunities for corruption. No matter how good intentioned anyone is going in, when given access to such power then eventually all men/women will succumb to it.

So my point is a person should only be interested in electoral office because they see a need to do better and to fix things and then once done, they get out to go back to their normal life and pass on the baton to the next guy.

It should be very similar for football club boards, with the difference being that if they are doing a great job, then the members will keep them there and rightly so, till they decide to step down themselves, retire or die at the post. Football clubs are hardly an all powerful and corrupting entity to powerful and successful people. An ego thing, yeah sure, look at Politis, but also look at what he brings to the table and for sfa when it comes to remuneration I'm sure.
 

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