Brett Stewart found not guilty of sexual assault

[sass]

you're welcome to disagree with anyone's reasoning or call them biased ... but if you wanna argue the point, then argue the point. blaming it on gender? that is such a massive copout. and yeah it is patronising.

it's the same old GIRLS CAN'T TALK ABOUT FOOTY EXCEPT HOW HOT PEOPLE ARE.

 

[Garts]

She might be a neutral from that perspective, but she has an emotional & physical bias toward all players from a gender point of view. I think you understand what I mean.

Point taken. Agree with you to a certain extent but also agree with Kiki to a point. I am fairly sure if the player involved was someone different, i.e. Carney, Mason etc the view would be different as they have a track record compared to Stewart with a clean history.

 

[Timmah]

you're welcome to disagree with anyone's reasoning or call them biased ... but if you wanna argue the point, then argue the point. blaming it on gender? that is such a massive copout. and yeah it is patronising.

it's the same old GIRLS CAN'T TALK ABOUT FOOTY EXCEPT HOW HOT PEOPLE ARE.

Again, I didn't blame it on gender. I'm debating the impartiality of Kiki in this argument - she came forward saying she was neutral, I disagreed.

 

[sass]

if that's what u meant timmah I'm sorry ... but u can guess why I'd be sensitive about the woman thing.

meanwhile - the other issue with stuff like this is the media saturation. it's so hard to react normally to these stories because u are FORCED to be emotional about it. every second page is about durazza' daughters EMOTIONAL TRAUMA and STEWART'S DISGRACE. it's all about being on one side or the other. it's insane.

 

[Timmah]

Point taken. Agree with you to a certain extent but also agree with Kiki to a point. I am fairly sure if the player involved was someone different, i.e. Carney, Mason etc the view would be different as they have a track record compared to Stewart with a clean history.

No doubt. This entire incident comes as a shock to the system for everyone in RL!

 

[StormChaser]

Timmothay, nobody KNOWS the facts of the case and I don't see where sass has defended Stewart's actions at all. She is simply stating it's a case of wait and see and don't condemn without the aforementioned FACTS.

Personally, I think Stewart is a knob and I think he's definitely guilty of getting sh*t faced and making an arse of himself, but the assault matter is yet to be heard so we can't really say what went on there.

Do you have a problem with all women on the forum, or only the outspoken ones? Do you want us to be in the kitchen making you a sammich, or what? lolz

 

[Garts]

Timmothay, nobody KNOWS the facts of the case and I don't see where sass has defended Stewart's actions at all. She is simply stating it's a case of wait and see and don't condemn without the aforementioned FACTS.

Personally, I think Stewart is a knob and I think he's definitely guilty of getting sh*t faced and making an arse of himself, but the assault matter is yet to be heard so we can't really say what went on there.

Do you have a problem with all women on the forum, or only the outspoken ones? Do you want us to be in the kitchen making you a sammich, or what? lolz

It is where you all belong ;-)

 

[Timmah]

if that's what u meant timmah I'm sorry ... but u can guess why I'd be sensitive about the woman thing.

meanwhile - the other issue with stuff like this is the media saturation. it's so hard to react normally to these stories because u are FORCED to be emotional about it. every second page is about durazza' daughters EMOTIONAL TRAUMA and STEWART'S DISGRACE. it's all about being on one side or the other. it's insane.

I managed to be away from the forums and news sites all day Thursday and it was very refreshing to not have to invest emotion in the stories being thrown around and cast another opinion into the ring. The media saturation is almost depressing. Bring back the late 90's please.

 

[Timmah]

Timmothay, nobody KNOWS the facts of the case and I don't see where sass has defended Stewart's actions at all. She is simply stating it's a case of wait and see and don't condemn without the aforementioned FACTS.

Personally, I think Stewart is a knob and I think he's definitely guilty of getting sh*t faced and making an arse of himself, but the assault matter is yet to be heard so we can't really say what went on there.

Do you have a problem with all women on the forum, or only the outspoken ones? Do you want us to be in the kitchen making you a sammich, or what? lolz

Don't blow in please, unless you've got all the info. If you actually read the discussion instead of a "omg TIMMAH IS GOING ON ATTACK ABOUT WIMMINZ AGAIN!!!!!111!!ONE1! :crazy:" rant you'd know my point was being made about Kiki and I explained to Sass and she appears to understand where I'm coming from.

I'm not dignifying your dig at me about women, I've addressed that accusation in previous posts.

 

[StormChaser]

Baaaaaaahahahahaaaaaaaaaahaha! I heart you Timmothay. No, really.

 

[bartman]

Deary me Timmah... problems with string women having their own point of view much?

 

[bartman]

I managed to be away from the forums and news sites all day Thursday and it was very refreshing to not have to invest emotion in the stories being thrown around and cast another opinion into the ring.

So it's not just women that have emotions about rugby league and it's player s then... ;-)

 

[sass]

yeah obviously what timmah write first wasn't what he meant ... so I'm off my high horse.

I still disagree though cause the only thing I've seen kiki be emotional about on the stewart issue is his suspension ... saying that she feels really sorry for him too. and in the scheme of things I kind of do too: because taking into account a case like watmough's, the fact that his sexual assault case is unresolved, and how the nrl has acted in the past, it seems really unfair.

 

[Timmah]

That's my point though with Kiki - that's where she's been emotional and not logical - people shouldn't feel sorry for him drinking too much and being a goose. Justifiying it with "the NRL has been softer in the past" opens the door for allowing softer punishments evermore and more schtick for the game as a whole. Coming down hard = good in the public eye.

 

[sass]

it still sucks to be the sacrificial lamb for the nrl's new 'tough punishment' regime. you get the sh*t punishment to be the example to everyone else.

 

[sass]

seriously this being sympathetic to people thing has got to stop. I can't believe I said that. WHAT'S WRONG WITH ME?

 

[bartman]

Timmah's good sport... he sure has backpedalled in the posts that followed.

But I'm still not so sure he has a case for sidelining one person's opinion because of the emotions he thinks they have toward the situation, while then going on to admit he has emotions about the issues too.

What makes one person's emotions that lead to their opinion more or less relevant that anothers? Nothing at all. I reckon we can all co-exist even if we disagree, without some bizarre need to attack the woman/person holding the opinion, rather than simply discuss the opinions themselves...

 

[bartman]

seriously this being sympathetic to people thing has got to stop. I can't believe I said that. WHAT'S WRONG WITH ME?

More coffee needed Sassy... you know it's true.

I just had a mega-cola-slurpee, so I don't expect to be sympathetic for the rest of the day.

 

[Garts]

That's my point though with Kiki - that's where she's been emotional and not logical - people shouldn't feel sorry for him drinking too much and being a goose. Justifiying it with "the NRL has been softer in the past" opens the door for allowing softer punishments evermore and more schtick for the game as a whole. Coming down hard = good in the public eye.

People can feel sorry for him if they choose. Like I said he has a clean record and is his first offence but he has been hammered. It may well come to light that he only got smashed and was refused service (not a big deal in my eyes if that was all that happened), the alleged incident could all be rubbish.

 

[Timmah]

it still sucks to be the sacrificial lamb for the nrl's new 'tough punishment' regime. you get the sh*t punishment to be the example to everyone else.

Absolutely, but it's life. Someone else said it - first person to get suspended for X amount of demerit points where they previous would've got away with it - same boat. Any number of situations can be applied to that. Hell, there are entire seasons in the past you could go back and alter results to before 1983 because 3 points was the try amount and now it's 4.

It sucks, but it's life. It's a good strong new precedent and I support it in the name of a better image for our game. But you can rest assured in the upsetting event that if it occurs again and the NRL are softer, I'll be the first to shout them down.