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bring back arko and quale

Red Bear

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Oh and if you want a rugby league man without huge bias someone like Warren Ryan would be the best bet, Someone with the greater intersts of the game at hand but without a massive club bias ala arko or quayle.

Is it possible? Dont know.
 
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Obviously not.

As for Manly, only one club was told they were in trouble of exclusion - North Sydney - and that they had to move to Gosford. they spent $3 million on the ground. they were then put into administration even though there was $10 million from their Leagues Club available - but that money came out AFTER the Neagles was formed. Point is - it was Norths who put an effort in, Manly did nothing, yet Manly got the licence and Gosford Stadium - thanks to Arko.

To hear from you that Manly were the great white knight of rugby league was complete horsesh*t. they were broke - and Arko saved them. he also gave Packer the TV rights for bugger all which caused great harm to the game in terms of lost revenue.

manly were broke because they were doing the right thing by the game.

your list of reasons above dont blame manly much. more the nrl and news ltd

and souths werent in trouble re. exclusion you merkin
 
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news ltd came up with the myth that arko was bad for the game as he was biased towards manly.

they then put in CEOs who then gave them cheap TV rights.

smart move by them
 

Perth Red

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English RL is just as minor as it has ever been. It's only the fans of the SL clubs that think otherwise. The rest of the country don't give a sh*t. The BBC treat the game like rubbish. CC games are a joke these days and the SL show is only shown in the north or at ludicrous hours. International football was nearly killed BY SUPER LEAGUE. Typical poms trying to blame "Australians" for it when the ARL (and Fiji) were the only ones that stood up to News Ltd. And I didn't say it didn't have benefits but anyone who thinks RL in England is way better off now is kidding themselves. RL is still a freckle on fleas bollocks in the sporting landscape in Britain and even smaller when you consider that internationals were the only thing that got the game some attention and they can't even sell them there now.

Perth was not going under. It played about three games before News Ltd broke so you can be sure News Ltd had been courting them even before the ever played a game. The scumbags stabbed the ARL in the back, the organisation that gave them life, and got what they deserved. Once News had used them they tossed them away like the piece of garbage they were. Financial lifeline? Some bloody lifeline. Now the Reds are back and who do they go to for a handout? The ARL of course. Anyway, like I said, ask John Quayle about it.

I can't believe nearly 15 years on and all the damage that was done f**kwits who support the traitorious scum clubs that nearly killed RL by forming SL still try to claim that they did the right thing.

Give it up mate you've got no idea and that chip on your shoulder will lead to dislocation if not careful!
 
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news article from 10 years in the future:

Manly-Waringah have won their 8th straight premiership defeat Eastern Suburbs 8-6. A delighted ARL CEO, Ken Arthurson handed the Eadie/Fulton Trophy over to retiring captain Brett Stewart. A Huge crowd of 3,500 people were on hand to see the 7th straight all sydney Grand Final.

Meanwhile in Brisbane, Karmichael Hunt lead the Wynumm Seagulls to a great victory at Suncorp Stadium. It was the Seagulls 2nd title win since the Broncos axing from the ARL.
 

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news article from 10 years in the future:

Manly-Waringah have won their 8th straight premiership defeat Eastern Suburbs 8-6. A delighted ARL CEO, Ken Arthurson handed the Eadie/Fulton Trophy over to retiring captain Brett Stewart. A Huge crowd of 3,500 people were on hand to see the 7th straight all sydney Grand Final.

Meanwhile in Brisbane, Karmichael Hunt lead the Wynumm Seagulls to a great victory at Suncorp Stadium. It was the Seagulls 2nd title win since the Broncos axing from the ARL. In front of a crowd of 56000
 

DangerMouse_007

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ARKO AND QUALE WANTED TO EMBRACE SUPER LEAGUE AND KICK SYDNEY CLUBS OUT!!!!!!!!!!

The reason they didn't was because they were loyal to Kerry Packer and signed with him first. They were never loyal to the clubs.
 
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cronulla after years of financial support from the ARL repay that how?

by going to SL.

that betrayal helped SL get its competition up.

on no other basis would a club as small as cronulla have made the final 14 nrl teams

No Cronulla would not have been in the final 14 because the ARL were ready to get rid of them. The SL franchise gave the life line and that saved the Club IMO. So good. Cronulla did what it had to because that scum at the ARL were to busy feathering their own nest than running the game in the best interest of Rugby League. They only people who should hang their heads in shame is the ARL for not doing enough to even the competition and ensure all clubs were on a level playing field.

At least Cronulla have a history of developing junior Rugby League and so do many other clubs. All Clubs that have put that before silvertail type glory are true Rugby League Clubs IMO.

They real tragegy in all this is the loss of the Bears. Manly did a good number on the poor lod bears hey. At least the Dragons still recognise the Illawarra connection. Manly have completely destroyed the poor old Bears.
 

Oldboy

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No wonder I've never posted in here. The ignoramuses that inhabit this board are astounding.

To say that Arko saved Manly is unbelievable. The suggestion that he put his hand in his own pocket (or the ARL's) is even more astonishing. The criteria is why Manly ended up with the license. Norths were handed a lifeline with the merger and proceeded to blow it out their arses.

dally is on the money.

Arthurson and Quayle were light years ahead of the nuffies who are running the show today.
 
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No Cronulla would not have been in the final 14 because the ARL were ready to get rid of them. The SL franchise gave the life line and that saved the Club IMO. So good. Cronulla did what it had to because that scum at the ARL were to busy feathering their own nest than running the game in the best interest of Rugby League. They only people who should hang their heads in shame is the ARL for not doing enough to even the competition and ensure all clubs were on a level playing field.

At least Cronulla have a history of developing junior Rugby League and so do many other clubs. All Clubs that have put that before silvertail type glory are true Rugby League Clubs IMO.

They real tragegy in all this is the loss of the Bears. Manly did a good number on the poor lod bears hey. At least the Dragons still recognise the Illawarra connection. Manly have completely destroyed the poor old Bears.

yes dopey thats why the ARL supported the sharks financially for years.

that selfish act of the clubs might have saved their arses, but it sure was bad for RL.

how the f**k does a team in perth or a 2nd brisbane team miss out to a club as small as cronulla.

lets be honest, the only reason cronulla were even brought into the nswrl was to stop saints winning GF run.

other than that i cant think of much achieved since then. i mean penrith and cronulla came in the same time. penrith have won 2 comps, cronulla ????
 

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Prior to News Corporation's Super League proposal, the New South Wales Rugby League (NSWRL) and Australian Rugby League (ARL) had planned to rationalise the number of Sydney teams. In July 1986 The Daily Telegraph reported:
"Ken Arthurson has proposed a Super League... comprising four or five teams from Sydney, two from Brisbane, three New South Wales Country teams, Queensland Country and Auckland. You could amalgamate Manly/Northern Suburbs, Eastern Suburbs/Souths, Parramatta/Penrith and so on."
Following the expansion of the competition throughout the 1980s and 90s many clubs were not financially viable in the long term. The NSWRL solution was to eject them from the competition when they no longer met prescribed criteria. Although Newtown were ejected from the competition in 1982, attempts to remove Western Suburbs were unsuccessful after court action. Thereafter the NSWRL introduced an invitation-based system whereby it could fail to invite a club, thus excluding it. This left clubs without the security of continued participation in the premiership.
On 9 April 1992 A blueprint for the expansion of Rugby League was tabled by the Premiership Policy Committee of the NSWRL , followed in August by an Organization Review, by Dr G. Bradley, which was distributed to the premiership clubs. The Bradley Report, as it became known, was central to the ARL replacing the NSWRL as the governing body of the premiership. The report concluded that:
"...to reduce the number of clubs in Sydney, will be very hard for the League to implement given the long playing traditions of some of those clubs. In the long term, however, it is likely that Sydney is not going to be able to support eleven clubs as it does at present. Therefore in the long term this is the only viable solution. Sydney based clubs are going to have to move to new areas, merge or be relegated from the League. This is going to be a painful process. In the long term I believe that the ARL should be looking to reduce the number of clubs in the National Competition to fourteen, thus allowing clubs to play two complete rounds. This will mean, assuming that only four new clubs are admitted from areas outside Sydney, that there will be only five clubs based in Sydney."
Each club received a letter of invitation for the 1995 season on 2nd May, 1994. Included were a number of admission criteria including the ability to "attract a minimum average home attendance of 10,000 people". Balmain, Easts, Gold Coast, Illawarra, Parramatta, Penrith, Souths, St George and Wests failed this criteria for 1995 . After the privately owned Brisbane Broncos transferred a 20% share of their company to Northern Rivers Ltd, the new shareholders received the following:
"Under the terms of the League's Constitution, it is necessary that, without exception, all clubs which wish to participate in the League's Premiership competition, must apply each year for admission. No club has any automatic right to participate in any year's competition and the League has the unfettered right to reject any club's application for participation."
 
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yes dopey thats why the ARL supported the sharks financially for years.

that selfish act of the clubs might have saved their arses, but it sure was bad for RL.

how the f**k does a team in perth or a 2nd brisbane team miss out to a club as small as cronulla.

lets be honest, the only reason cronulla were even brought into the nswrl was to stop saints winning GF run.

other than that i cant think of much achieved since then. i mean penrith and cronulla came in the same time. penrith have won 2 comps, cronulla ????

Partly...
Illawarra were meant to partner Penrith into the comp in 1967 but the CRL blocked them using their constitution.
Seen as they couldn't get an Illawarra side, they just cut St George in half.
 

DangerMouse_007

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One word that should never be used in any discussion relating to the Super League War ----- Loyalty
One word that should always be used in relation to discussing Super League issues ----- Money

There was no loyalty for the ARL. They were motivated by money. Don't ever believe differently.

Also the game was in a sh*t position before the Super League War. The Sydney clubs then were in a sh*t position hence they were introducing the criteria for admission. Were average crowds any better? I doubt it. Ratings are better now. I know last year and the year before things were better than before the Super League War. People seem to talk about it like it was some golden time back then though. It was no better than now though.
 
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Partly...
Illawarra were meant to partner Penrith into the comp in 1967 but the CRL blocked them using their constitution.
Seen as they couldn't get an Illawarra side, they just cut St George in half.

shame.

thats typical thinking thats held the game back.

had they been around for longer they could still be there today.

saints on their own and illawarra on their own and no sharks makes more sense than the current situation
 
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One word that should never be used in any discussion relating to the Super League War ----- Loyalty
One word that should always be used in relation to discussing Super League issues ----- Money

There was no loyalty for the ARL. They were motivated by money. Don't ever believe differently.

Also the game was in a sh*t position before the Super League War. The Sydney clubs then were in a sh*t position hence they were introducing the criteria for admission. Were average crowds any better? I doubt it. Ratings are better now. I know last year and the year before things were better than before the Super League War. People seem to talk about it like it was some golden time back then though. It was no better than now though.

:lol:

you should do comedy, thats really quite good.
 
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One word that should never be used in any discussion relating to the Super League War ----- Loyalty
One word that should always be used in relation to discussing Super League issues ----- Money

There was no loyalty for the ARL. They were motivated by money. Don't ever believe differently.

Also the game was in a sh*t position before the Super League War. The Sydney clubs then were in a sh*t position hence they were introducing the criteria for admission. Were average crowds any better? I doubt it. Ratings are better now. I know last year and the year before things were better than before the Super League War. People seem to talk about it like it was some golden time back then though. It was no better than now though.

It was better.

There was a plan in place that would see Rugby League evolve into a National Competition, issues that still remain unresolved or too hard to solve would have been overcome by now.

There's also no way that the ARL would have excluded Perth, Gold Coast, Illawarra, SE QLD, etc. Yep, Sydney clubs would have faced the chop, but in a much better (and perhaps natural) way than the circumstances of 1998-2000.

And the clincher... people's passion and the public perception of the game was higher before SL. It's very hard to get that back.
 

DangerMouse_007

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:lol:

you should do comedy, thats really quite good.


And you should accept reality instead of trying to find scapegoats to blame for the sh*t situation Sydney clubs are in. Your a dinosaur and your out dated and irrelevant ways of thinking add nothing going forward. While the NRL may be short of ideas, at least we can say they haven't turned to old deluded Sydney centric fans for inspiration.
 
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shame.

thats typical thinking thats held the game back.

had they been around for longer they could still be there today.

saints on their own and illawarra on their own and no sharks makes more sense than the current situation

You bet.
Illawarra had a wealthy Leagues Club behind that bid too. Imagine the 70s with Fulton, Langlands, Cronin etc wearing the scarlet.
Instead they setup at the begining of the professional era without a leagues club, during BHP's mass sackings (27,000 breadwinners without a job) etc...

Would have been great red and white derbies too.
 

DangerMouse_007

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There was a plan in place that would see Rugby League evolve into a National Competition, issues that still remain unresolved or too hard to solve would have been overcome by now.

There's also no way that the ARL would have excluded Perth, Gold Coast, Illawarra, SE QLD, etc. Yep, Sydney clubs would have faced the chop, but in a much better (and perhaps natural) way than the circumstances of 1998-2000.

So culling Sydney clubs or making them merge would have resulted in no pain back then? Arko's ideas of merging North Sydney and Manly , Parra and Penrith etc would have just been magically embraced by people back then? The game was facing the same kinds of challenges.

At least today we have viable gold coast team with its act together. The Crushers were a garbage organization that were headed nowhere.

I'm not saying the league hasn't made mistakes. But I don't believe we're in a worse position than we were back then if you take a realistic appraisal of the situation then and not some sugar coated view.
 

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