Brisbane Tigers make their bid to be 18th team

[Wb1234]

The most recent posts here have articulated what I've been feeling about expansion for years, since the wholesale slaughter of clubs between late 1997 & 2000.

The NRL has very little ambition outside NSW & now Queensland. As a fan of the game in New Zealand, it's frustrating enough - but I can only imagine the feelings of the sports' followers in Perth & Adelaide who HAD top tier teams, only to see them slashed within a handful of years.

That's like buying a lemon tree seedling, planting it, then turfing it out after a week because it has no fruit!

I'd go as far to say that the next TWO teams should be outside NSW/Qld - Perth for sure as 18, then NZ 2 or Adelaide for 19 - before looking at Brisbane 3 for the 20th team.

Adelaide were only a filler team created because the knights then saints back flipped on super league

 

[flippikat]

He is not wrong, theres no Darwin AFL team, or tasmanian RU team, no Perf RL team, and no Canberraean A-league team.... so....

While that is technically true, most Australian top-tier leagues have ALL the top 5 population centres represented - Melbourne, Sydney, Brisbane, Perth & Adelaide (in that order of population size). All other centres beyond that are at the whims & priorities of the sport concerned...and a lot smaller than those 5.

Rugby Union is a special case in having ACT instead of Adelaide, but that's a legacy of decision-making in 1995 when the Australian Rugby Union decided on ACT as their 3rd team in Super-12 (as it was).. and in subsequent expansion they managed to get Melbourne & Perth accepted by NZ & South Africa.

 

[Wb1234]

Good point, but not really relevant.

What I'm talking about is competition reach into major metropolitan centres in the country the competition is based in.

The NRL is a long way from that.

Really
so how does nrl smash. Afl in tv ratings

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

The most recent posts here have articulated what I've been feeling about expansion for years, since the wholesale slaughter of clubs between late 1997 & 2000.

The NRL has very little ambition outside NSW & now Queensland. As a fan of the game in New Zealand, it's frustrating enough - but I can only imagine the feelings of the sports' followers in Perth & Adelaide who HAD top tier teams, only to see them slashed within a handful of years.

That's like buying a lemon tree seedling, planting it, then turfing it out after a week because it has no fruit!

I'd go as far to say that the next TWO teams should be outside NSW/Qld - Perth for sure as 18, then NZ 2 or Adelaide for 19 - before looking at Brisbane 3 for the 20th team.

The Brisbane Tigers have given the ARLC a huge gift by saying they're willing to wait for the 20th licence to be handed out. That gives Perth and NZ2 a huge chance to become the 18th and 19th teams. It's now over to Perth and NZ2 to put in strong bids to get those licences.

 

[flippikat]

Adelaide were only a filler team created because the knights then saints back flipped on super league

That reflects more on the arrogant, short-sighted attitude that permeates our sport than the market size & potential of Australia's 5th biggest market.

 

[The Great Dane]

I think your knitpicking on swordfish vs sawfish, either way brisbane firehawks sucked, and since you love your local fauna, your gonna have to swallow 2 failed concepts... as much as i hate agreeing with that deadshit from logan, you've come up with a concept that the wouldn't ever be interested in, especially since "dolphins" were already there branding since 1947.. it was always goning to be at the forefront of their bid to transcend from QRL to NRL under that mascot

That's like saying the difference between a rhino and an elephant is nitpicking, and how the f**k can a "concept" that's never even been considered, let alone tried, fail?

At least I don't steal my ideas from others. Every single one of yours is a blatant rip-off of major team's brand, you don't even put effort into differentiating them.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Yeah, like I said, I never suggested that a team be called the Brisbane Swordfish. You gonna apologise now or just pretend like you weren't making shit up again?

Sawfish would be amongst the coolest brands in Australian sport if you did it right, but we don't do unique and interesting in Australia anymore. We're too busy pretending that mimicking Americans or Europeans makes you cultured to do anything unique anymore, it's really sad actually.

I apologise for not having a perfect memory and mixing up Swordfish with Sawfish.

It's sad that our culture has been eroded. It's part of the reason traditional rugby league fans from Brisbane and Sydney don't want their clubs to lose their identity. But I fail to see how this relates to the Dolphins. Redcliffe have been known as the Dolphins for decades. They're not an American rip-off.

 

[flippikat]

The way you're going to see significant growth in WA, SA, and VIC is through expansion.

Correct!

And that means growth in TV viewership too, which drives a better broadcasting rights deal (see how this works, doubters?)

 

[Wb1234]

That reflects more on the arrogant, short-sighted attitude that permeates our sport than the market size & potential of Australia's 5th biggest market.

Tell that to news ltd

the only reason Adelaide got a team is established clubs said no

then they killed off Perth and Adelaide when they didn’t need them anymore

the only shortsightedness was clubs who went to super league not thinking about the long term

 

[Wb1234]

Correct!

And that means growth in TV viewership too, which drives a better broadcasting rights deal (see how this works, doubters?)

Afl tv viewership in nsw and qld has collapsed

 

[flippikat]

Really
so how does nrl smash. Afl in tv ratings

Teams in Perth & Adelaide means more engagement with those markets, which means more viewership, which means ratings.

 

[The Great Dane]

Adelaide were only a filler team created because the knights then saints back flipped on super league

Maybe, but the Rams were also one of the most successful of the expansion sides of the time.

They and the Chargers were the only ones to have money in the bank when they were wrapped up, and were in a better position financially than multiple sides that made the cut. By rights both should have been allowed to continue, but that's a tangent.

 

[Wb1234]

Maybe, but the Rams were also one of the most successful of the expansion sides of the time.

They and the Chargers were the only ones to have money in the bank when they were wrapped up, and were in a better position financially than multiple sides that made the cut. By rights both should have been allowed to continue, but that's a tangent.

News ltd cut Adelaide not the arl

this was after they created them

adleaide might get a team one day but it’s not crucial to being the number one football code

tbh neither is Perth either

Teams in Perth & Adelaide means more engagement with those markets, which means more viewership, which means ratings.

yeh maybe 50k more regular viewers each

nothing major

the nrl and afl have different footprints. The nrl does fine with its footprint it smashes afl on tv and the gaps going to get bigger

 

[Pippen94]

That's not true either.

Neither is that.

It's weird that certain people feel it's necessary to make shit up about me.

Sure, but you can't be national without having a significant presence in every major market.

The NRL's market share outside of NSW, Qld, and the ACT is abysmal, the only way you change that is by investing in growth in those markets. The way you're going to see significant growth in WA, SA, and VIC is through expansion.

Yeah, here u suggest smiths..in later posts u vigorously defend name;

"..it out there that instead of the name Bombers, which everybody hated because it's the same as Essendon, that they could keep their branding (that's actually pretty cool) by trying something like the Cleveland Browns and name the team the Smiths, or something similar, after Kingsford Smith...

• The Great Dane
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• Aug 24, 2021

 

[Pippen94]

Maybe, but the Rams were also one of the most successful of the expansion sides of the time.

They and the Chargers were the only ones to have money in the bank when they were wrapped up, and were in a better position financially than multiple sides that made the cut. By rights both should have been allowed to continue, but that's a tangent.

Adelaide rams so successful that team was cut. Brought nothing to league which was necessary

 

[Pippen94]

Teams in Perth & Adelaide means more engagement with those markets, which means more viewership, which means ratings.

Lol, how's ratings or juniors in Melbourne after almost 25 years?!

 

[Canard]

I apologise for not having a perfect memory and mixing up Swordfish with Sawfish.

It's sad that our culture has been eroded. It's part of the reason traditional rugby league fans from Brisbane and Sydney don't want their clubs to lose their identity. But I fail to see how this relates to the Dolphins. Redcliffe have been known as the Dolphins for decades. They're not an American rip-off.

I've looked online and can't see any definitive date that Redcliffe began using the Dolphins nickname.

 

[Pippen94]

Afl tv viewership in nsw and qld has collapsed

Yep, ppl in north won't watch afl, while in south won't watch nrl

 

[The Great Dane]

News ltd cut Adelaide not the arl

this was after they created them

adleaide might get a team one day but it’s not crucial to being the number one football code

Both were complicit in the Rams demise, and Adelaide is absolutely crucial if the NRL's goal is to be the largest football code in the country. It's the fifth largest market in the country FFS.

 

[Pippen94]

Correct!

And that means growth in TV viewership too, which drives a better broadcasting rights deal (see how this works, doubters?)

Lol, broadcasters said they want Brisbane 3