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Brisbane Tigers make their bid to be 18th team

Iamback

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Finally someone in the media has recognised the pitfalls of PNG. The more you look at it the more you realise how bad an idea it is.

I doubt brissy gets a run next so close to the Dolphins admission. Unless team 18 isn't until 2033.

again though you say about pitfalls for any potential team 18, That is why every media article states based in Australia
 

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They don’t need them and don’t want to play games in Brisbane

Even after the upgrades to Barlow park, Cairns still can't support the side.

Brisbane Easts can, which is a safety net for when the Feds cut funding at some stage
 

Perth Red

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Merging with PNG makes sense, I wonder why it has been knocked on the head
Same reason Bears got short change in Perth.
They want to own the license, dictate where the club is based, how the club is run and no doubt have an altera motive to get the club based and playing in Brisbane FT. PNG arent dumb.
 

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Same reason Bears got short change in Perth.
They want to own the license, dictate where the club is based, how the club is run and no doubt have an altera motive to get the club based and playing in Brisbane FT. PNG arent dumb.

There is no way what is proposed gets approved though.

The licence would be tied to the feds funding, though and once you get pathways going in PNG.

There will be no way that side of it won't hold its place in the merger.
 

BuffaloRules

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Merging with PNG makes sense, I wonder why it has been knocked on the head

Why does it make sense ?

It doubles the travel time being based in Brisbane versus Cairns …

PNG want all the games played there .. none in Aust …

so what is in it for Brisbane Tigers ?

I mean .. it’s easy to be cynical and say that these “partners” have a self interest in white anting the new team so when it falls over they can pick up the pieces…
 

Wb1234

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Why does it make sense ?

It doubles the travel time being based in Brisbane versus Cairns …

PNG want all the games played there .. none in Aust …

so what is in it for Brisbane Tigers ?

I mean .. it’s easy to be cynical and say that these “partners” have a self interest in white anting the new team so when it falls over they can pick up the pieces…
Tigers should wait

Brisbane is certain to get another team and partnering up with png they will only get a few games in Brisbane

Western coridoor jets (merged with easts tigers)
 

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There is no way what is proposed gets approved though.

The licence would be tied to the feds funding, though and once you get pathways going in PNG.

There will be no way that side of it won't hold its place in the merger.
Until the money runs out and the NRL is left with an unviable club. It then has the option of putting in millions extra a year itself or letting the tigers move the club to be brisbane3 with a couple of games in Port Moresby. Hmm I wonder which way they would go? 'The' Hunters.
 

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Until the money runs out and the NRL is left with an unviable club. It then has the option of putting in millions extra a year itself or letting the tigers move the club to be brisbane3 with a couple of games in Port Moresby. Hmm I wonder which way they would go? 'The' Hunters.
Jealousy is a curse
 

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again though you say about pitfalls for any potential team 18, That is why every media article states based in Australia
Of course there are pitfalls in every bid, but this is the first I've seen anyone mention PNG's pitfalls.
Based Cairns , playing all home games in PNG means they will be in transit 3 days every week at least. Clubs complain now about player welfare with a 5 game turn around. This will be a massive problem for them.
 

Vee

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Andrew Webster saying in todays Herald that PNG is too risky, for the reasons mentioned here a 100 times …and that it makes more sense to have Brisbane Tigers as Team 18 because..

33,000 members, $58m in assets and $25m “in the bank “

Dolphins success has “shown Qlders will attend rugby league every weekend of the year”

AFL continues to pump in the dollars into Brisbane and apparently they are serious when they say they want to “own QLD”

According to him, the Brisbane Tigers have tried four times in the past 18 months to link with PNG..

They are his thoughts … not mine … so those that don’t like it … take it up with him ..
Link? Paywall?
 

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Of course there are pitfalls in every bid, but this is the first I've seen anyone mention PNG's pitfalls.
Based Cairns , playing all home games in PNG means they will be in transit 3 days every week at least. Clubs complain now about player welfare with a 5 game turn around. This will be a massive problem for them.

I don't think anyone has done an opinion piece on it yet. Most I have seen have reported quotes from PVL, Albo etc

A Perth team would have the same turnaround time. Tbh you want that with the next franchise as opposed to just adding Brisbane
 

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When the Prime Minister’s XIII men’s and women’s teams played in Port Moresby in September, their security detail issued strict advice: don’t give your jersey to someone in the crowd because it could lead to violence, possibly death.

The anecdote highlights why Papua New Guinea should be handed the NRL’s 18th franchise – and why it should not. It shows how one team could have a transformative influence in a rugby league-mad country – or could be a money bonfire for decades to come given the logistical nightmare of playing there.

These are interesting times for the NRL and its all-powerful chairman, Peter V’landys, as the ARL Commission ponders expansion to 18 teams, most likely from 2027 onwards.
V’landys’ blossoming bromance with Prime Minister Anthony Albanese suggests PNG is in the box seat. A decision on the 18th franchise is expected in the next six months but, as one figure from a rival bid huffs: “PNG is a fait accompli.”

Why? Mostly because of money. What else?
PNG Prime Minister James Marape often plays the China card in discussions with Australia and is now leveraging it, seemingly, to win an NRL club licence.

Not one to back away from an exciting game of diplomacy and international intrigue, Albanese has flagged $600 million of Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade funding over the next decade to support the bid.

So let’s be clear: $60 million a year. Not all of it will be invested in PNG rugby league, with some of the funds distributed throughout the Pacific region, but that’s a carrot V’landys can’t ignore.

Nevertheless, a few questions need to be asked of the Australian government.

For starters, why should the Australian taxpayer fund the establishment of a professional rugby league team in another country? And especially so when the country we live in is gripped by a cost-of-living crisis?

Personally, I would like to see $60 million given to the St George Illawarra Rugby League Football Club so they can buy some halves. Thank you.

DFAT already sinks millions into various sports across the Pacific region, including the PNG Hunters, who play in the Queensland state league.

Furthermore, the cornerstone of the PNG bid is how the franchise will be brimming with dollars from gold- and oil-company sponsorship if they are granted a licence. If that’s so, let Shell, or their equivalent, foot the bill.
There are questions, too, for the NRL.

Logistically, a PNG team seems as easy to run as Woodstock ’94. For the first five years, the team would live and train in Cairns before flying in and out of Port Moresby via private jet. They are footballers, not Kardashians.
And after that? Will the city be safe enough to entice players from other clubs? If Canberra struggles to attract players because of its location, what about the PNG capital?

Then there’s these sobering questions: what if they suck? What if they win three wooden spoons? What happens when the politicians from both countries who hype the merits of a PNG team today are tipped out of government tomorrow?
The real problem with admitting a PNG team is it will mean snubbing – again – a rugby league powerhouse that’s ready to roll off the back of the truck.

And no, it’s not the North Sydney Bears.
On paper, the Brisbane Tigers deserve to be the next team admitted. They have a storied 90-year history, winning premierships and banking cheques along the way.

They have more than 33,000 members, $25 million in the bank and $58 million in assets.
The Broncos and Dolphins might think it’s too early for a third Brisbane team, but the Redcliffe-based side’s success has shown that Queenslanders will attend rugby league every weekend of the year. You just have to give them a game.
Of greater significance to rugby league is that the Tigers can fortify the south-west corridor of Brisbane, an area that has become a battleground of sorts between the NRL and AFL.
The Brisbane Lions last year moved into their new $80 million training facility at Springfield in Ipswich while the AFL continues to aggressively shore up schools in the same way it targeted western Sydney a decade ago.
When former chief executive Gillon McLachlan said he wanted the AFL to “own” Queensland, he wasn’t joking.

V’landys, who loves a fight with the AFL more than a feed at the White House, should heed his words. Is he prepared to invest time and energy into a PNG team while the arch-enemy sneaks into Troy?
Like the NSWRL, the QRL is regularly at war with the NRL over funding.
Last week’s skirmish involved NRL chief executive Andrew Abdo, who told Toowoomba’s Western Clydesdales via letter their existence in the Queensland Cup wasn’t “in the best interests of the game”. It means the QRL will need to pick up the slack, so the club doesn’t fold.
The Brisbane Tigers have attempted four times in the past 18 months to form a joint venture with the PNG bid, which says everything you need to know about the bidding process.

A PNG side competing – and winning – in the NRL would be a great moment for the game. Let’s hope it’s not used up like so much of this beautiful country.

 
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Pippen94

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When the Prime Minister’s XIII men’s and women’s teams played in Port Moresby in September, their security detail issued strict advice: don’t give your jersey to someone in the crowd because it could lead to violence, possibly death.

The anecdote highlights why Papua New Guinea should be handed the NRL’s 18th franchise – and why it should not. It shows how one team could have a transformative influence in a rugby league-mad country – or could be a money bonfire for decades to come given the logistical nightmare of playing there.

These are interesting times for the NRL and its all-powerful chairman, Peter V’landys, as the ARL Commission ponders expansion to 18 teams, most likely from 2027 onwards.
V’landys’ blossoming bromance with Prime Minister Anthony Albanese suggests PNG is in the box seat. A decision on the 18th franchise is expected in the next six months but, as one figure from a rival bid huffs: “PNG is a fait accompli.”

Why? Mostly because of money. What else?
PNG Prime Minister James Marape often plays the China card in discussions with Australia and is now leveraging it, seemingly, to win an NRL club licence.

Not one to back away from an exciting game of diplomacy and international intrigue, Albanese has flagged $600 million of Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade funding over the next decade to support the bid.

So let’s be clear: $60 million a year. Not all of it will be invested in PNG rugby league, with some of the funds distributed throughout the Pacific region, but that’s a carrot V’landys can’t ignore.

Nevertheless, a few questions need to be asked of the Australian government.

For starters, why should the Australian taxpayer fund the establishment of a professional rugby league team in another country? And especially so when the country we live in is gripped by a cost-of-living crisis?

Personally, I would like to see $60 million given to the St George Illawarra Rugby League Football Club so they can buy some halves. Thank you.

DFAT already sinks millions into various sports across the Pacific region, including the PNG Hunters, who play in the Queensland state league.

Furthermore, the cornerstone of the PNG bid is how the franchise will be brimming with dollars from gold- and oil-company sponsorship if they are granted a licence. If that’s so, let Shell, or their equivalent, foot the bill.
There are questions, too, for the NRL.

Logistically, a PNG team seems as easy to run as Woodstock ’94. For the first five years, the team would live and train in Cairns before flying in and out of Port Moresby via private jet. They are footballers, not Kardashians.
And after that? Will the city be safe enough to entice players from other clubs? If Canberra struggles to attract players because of its location, what about the PNG capital?

Then there’s these sobering questions: what if they suck? What if they win three wooden spoons? What happens when the politicians from both countries who hype the merits of a PNG team today are tipped out of government tomorrow?
The real problem with admitting a PNG team is it will mean snubbing – again – a rugby league powerhouse that’s ready to roll off the back of the truck.

And no, it’s not the North Sydney Bears.
On paper, the Brisbane Tigers deserve to be the next team admitted. They have a storied 90-year history, winning premierships and banking cheques along the way.

They have more than 33,000 members, $25 million in the bank and $58 million in assets.
The Broncos and Dolphins might think it’s too early for a third Brisbane team, but the Redcliffe-based side’s success has shown that Queenslanders will attend rugby league every weekend of the year. You just have to give them a game.
Of greater significance to rugby league is that the Tigers can fortify the south-west corridor of Brisbane, an area that has become a battleground of sorts between the NRL and AFL.
The Brisbane Lions last year moved into their new $80 million training facility at Springfield in Ipswich while the AFL continues to aggressively shore up schools in the same way it targeted western Sydney a decade ago.
When former chief executive Gillon McLachlan said he wanted the AFL to “own” Queensland, he wasn’t joking.

V’landys, who loves a fight with the AFL more than a feed at the White House, should heed his words. Is he prepared to invest time and energy into a PNG team while the arch-enemy sneaks into Troy?
Like the NSWRL, the QRL is regularly at war with the NRL over funding.
Last week’s skirmish involved NRL chief executive Andrew Abdo, who told Toowoomba’s Western Clydesdales via letter their existence in the Queensland Cup wasn’t “in the best interests of the game”. It means the QRL will need to pick up the slack, so the club doesn’t fold.
The Brisbane Tigers have attempted four times in the past 18 months to form a joint venture with the PNG bid, which says everything you need to know about the bidding process.

A PNG side competing – and winning – in the NRL would be a great moment for the game. Let’s hope it’s not used up like so much of this beautiful country.


Best part of article relates to Brisbane tigers
 

Iamback

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Why does it make sense ?

It doubles the travel time being based in Brisbane versus Cairns …

PNG want all the games played there .. none in Aust …

so what is in it for Brisbane Tigers ?

I mean .. it’s easy to be cynical and say that these “partners” have a self interest in white anting the new team so when it falls over they can pick up the pieces…

The report originally said 4 games in Cairns.

The corporate/fan numbers aren't there for that model to work
 

Canard

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When the Prime Minister’s XIII men’s and women’s teams played in Port Moresby in September, their security detail issued strict advice: don’t give your jersey to someone in the crowd because it could lead to violence, possibly death.

The anecdote highlights why Papua New Guinea should be handed the NRL’s 18th franchise – and why it should not. It shows how one team could have a transformative influence in a rugby league-mad country – or could be a money bonfire for decades to come given the logistical nightmare of playing there.

These are interesting times for the NRL and its all-powerful chairman, Peter V’landys, as the ARL Commission ponders expansion to 18 teams, most likely from 2027 onwards.
V’landys’ blossoming bromance with Prime Minister Anthony Albanese suggests PNG is in the box seat. A decision on the 18th franchise is expected in the next six months but, as one figure from a rival bid huffs: “PNG is a fait accompli.”

Why? Mostly because of money. What else?
PNG Prime Minister James Marape often plays the China card in discussions with Australia and is now leveraging it, seemingly, to win an NRL club licence.

Not one to back away from an exciting game of diplomacy and international intrigue, Albanese has flagged $600 million of Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade funding over the next decade to support the bid.

So let’s be clear: $60 million a year. Not all of it will be invested in PNG rugby league, with some of the funds distributed throughout the Pacific region, but that’s a carrot V’landys can’t ignore.

Nevertheless, a few questions need to be asked of the Australian government.

For starters, why should the Australian taxpayer fund the establishment of a professional rugby league team in another country? And especially so when the country we live in is gripped by a cost-of-living crisis?

Personally, I would like to see $60 million given to the St George Illawarra Rugby League Football Club so they can buy some halves. Thank you.

DFAT already sinks millions into various sports across the Pacific region, including the PNG Hunters, who play in the Queensland state league.

Furthermore, the cornerstone of the PNG bid is how the franchise will be brimming with dollars from gold- and oil-company sponsorship if they are granted a licence. If that’s so, let Shell, or their equivalent, foot the bill.
There are questions, too, for the NRL.

Logistically, a PNG team seems as easy to run as Woodstock ’94. For the first five years, the team would live and train in Cairns before flying in and out of Port Moresby via private jet. They are footballers, not Kardashians.
And after that? Will the city be safe enough to entice players from other clubs? If Canberra struggles to attract players because of its location, what about the PNG capital?

Then there’s these sobering questions: what if they suck? What if they win three wooden spoons? What happens when the politicians from both countries who hype the merits of a PNG team today are tipped out of government tomorrow?
The real problem with admitting a PNG team is it will mean snubbing – again – a rugby league powerhouse that’s ready to roll off the back of the truck.

And no, it’s not the North Sydney Bears.
On paper, the Brisbane Tigers deserve to be the next team admitted. They have a storied 90-year history, winning premierships and banking cheques along the way.

They have more than 33,000 members, $25 million in the bank and $58 million in assets.
The Broncos and Dolphins might think it’s too early for a third Brisbane team, but the Redcliffe-based side’s success has shown that Queenslanders will attend rugby league every weekend of the year. You just have to give them a game.
Of greater significance to rugby league is that the Tigers can fortify the south-west corridor of Brisbane, an area that has become a battleground of sorts between the NRL and AFL.
The Brisbane Lions last year moved into their new $80 million training facility at Springfield in Ipswich while the AFL continues to aggressively shore up schools in the same way it targeted western Sydney a decade ago.
When former chief executive Gillon McLachlan said he wanted the AFL to “own” Queensland, he wasn’t joking.

V’landys, who loves a fight with the AFL more than a feed at the White House, should heed his words. Is he prepared to invest time and energy into a PNG team while the arch-enemy sneaks into Troy?
Like the NSWRL, the QRL is regularly at war with the NRL over funding.
Last week’s skirmish involved NRL chief executive Andrew Abdo, who told Toowoomba’s Western Clydesdales via letter their existence in the Queensland Cup wasn’t “in the best interests of the game”. It means the QRL will need to pick up the slack, so the club doesn’t fold.
The Brisbane Tigers have attempted four times in the past 18 months to form a joint venture with the PNG bid, which says everything you need to know about the bidding process.

A PNG side competing – and winning – in the NRL would be a great moment for the game. Let’s hope it’s not used up like so much of this beautiful country.

The ARLC sent the Clydesdales a letter saying there existence wasn't in the best interests of the game?

What the f**k is going on here? Are we in a simulation? Abdo should be sacked immediately IF that's correct.
 

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