Brisbane2 Bid News

[Dogs Of War]

It's a great problem to have that so many areas want to come in....compared with the AFL of planting synthetic sides in areas where people may not even embrace the team.

I would love to see the IC bite the bullet and welcome 4 teams as the ARL did in 1995. It has taken virtually 15 years for the scars of Super League to disappear. In that time we have lost too much time not expanding....time to get back in front again.

Let's say yes to 4 teams....Perth, Brisbane2, Wellington & CCBears. (I can be swayed on the 4)

I would say yes as well. But staggered over 4 years. This way each team gets a chance to assemble a good lineup, and all the teams in the comp have a good chance to keep there key players. Could see a lot of players coming back from England, as well as a few of the better English players being raided for the NRL.

 

[redvscotty]

DGSFAN has a ripper of a sig that should be used always by everyone.

Having said that, i'm too lazy and drunk to steal it.

 

[BuffaloRules]

Im hearing that things are looking very good for a new team from Brisbane coming in with Perth...

Jimmy Smith was saying on his Sunday radio show that there are some strong whispers behind the scenes that this is the favourite combination for expansion ( of course Peter Peters agreed but we all know that he has a dig at the Bears any chance he can get..)

As i have been saying from the beginning, its going to come down to TV money and this combination of teams delivers the most $$...

 

[Beowulf]

Im hearing that things are looking very good for a new team from Brisbane coming in with Perth...

Jimmy Smith was saying on his Sunday radio show that there are some strong whispers behind the scenes that this is the favourite combination for expansion ( of course Peter Peters agreed but we all know that he has a dig at the Bears any chance he can get..)

As i have been saying from the beginning, its going to come down to TV money and this combination of teams delivers the most $$...

Jimmy Smith is anti-Bears expansion - unfortunately for him, the hierarchy at the NRL are of a different opinion.

 

[Goddo]

Im hearing that things are looking very good for a new team from Brisbane coming in with Perth...

Jimmy Smith was saying on his Sunday radio show that there are some strong whispers behind the scenes that this is the favourite combination for expansion ( of course Peter Peters agreed but we all know that he has a dig at the Bears any chance he can get..)

As i have been saying from the beginning, its going to come down to TV money and this combination of teams delivers the most $$...

Any reasonable minded person will see that this is the best option for the game as a whole. It should be Brisbane and Perth. Wether it is or not is yet to be seen. The Bears campaign is run on pulling heart strings. CQ is a sham. Only realistic options are Brisbane, Ipswich and Perth.

If the bids from Brisbane and Perth aren't ready for expansion in 2013, it will be delayed a year or two. They aren't going to add teams in undesirable locations just so they expand in 2013.

 

[BuffaloRules]

Jimmy Smith is anti-Bears expansion .

Is he anti -Bears because he prefers Brisbane to come in?

 

[AlwaysGreen]

Any reasonable minded person will see that this is the best option for the game as a whole. It should be Brisbane and Perth. Wether it is or not is yet to be seen. The Bears campaign is run on pulling heart strings. CQ is a sham. Only realistic options are Brisbane, Ipswich and Perth.

If the bids from Brisbane and Perth aren't ready for expansion in 2013, it will be delayed a year or two. They aren't going to add teams in undesirable locations just so they expand in 2013.

Excellent post sir.

 

[_MayMoo 2]

Any reasonable minded person will see that this is the best option for the game as a whole. It should be Brisbane and Perth. Wether it is or not is yet to be seen. The Bears campaign is run on pulling heart strings. CQ is a sham. Only realistic options are Brisbane, Ipswich and Perth.

If the bids from Brisbane and Perth aren't ready for expansion in 2013, it will be delayed a year or two. They aren't going to add teams in undesirable locations just so they expand in 2013.

Garbage that the Bears campaign is run on heart strings. That is a part of it though and why not. Such a bad thing is it that by the CC entering it will bring those supporters back to the game. ??

There is so much more to the Bears bid that many on here conveniently ignore. I coudn't be arsed repeating them as you will just ignore them anyway. Allready covered in the CC Bears thread as well.

Bit of a joke that you consider the CC an undesirable location for a franchise. Thankfully that view is the opposite of the NRL's.

 

[Red&BlackBear]

Any reasonable minded person will see that this is the best option for the game as a whole. It should be Brisbane and Perth. Wether it is or not is yet to be seen. The Bears campaign is run on pulling heart strings. CQ is a sham. Only realistic options are Brisbane, Ipswich and Perth.

If the bids from Brisbane and Perth aren't ready for expansion in 2013, it will be delayed a year or two. They aren't going to add teams in undesirable locations just so they expand in 2013.

The NRL were the one's who came out earlier this century and said that the CC was a strategic expansion region/area.

Since then the Central Coast Bears have had a private bid (Brisbane 2/CQ) and failed. They then changed the entire set up and appointed Greg Florimo as CEO. The Central Coast Bears now mave a community owned bid. I didn't know pulling heart strings alone could get you

* stadium
* equity
* 5700 financial members
* major sponsorship with Mortage House worth $1.5 mil a year
* major sponsorships with 4 other firms worth $ 1 mil a year
* $10million to be underwritten
* 5 hec.worth of land acquired for development of Center of Excellence
* merchandise selling in retail stores
* incredibly strong business model
* even stronger financial model
* self sustainability
* approval from some of the game most iconic figures
* political backing from Labor (gave the CCBears a $100,000 grant) and Liberals (Joe Hockey, CC Libs land acquisiton)
* over 40 local businesses on the Central Coast & North Shore as sponsors & partners
* corporate support from the N.S & C.C.
* private support from N.S. & C.C.
* CCDRL & CCRL approval
* junior clubs already affiliating themselves with the Central Coast Bears
* representing 22% of the most populated state in Australia
* it's a young (age wise) area thats growing as fast as any other in Australia (CC)

ALL FACTS, ALL MONEY IN THE BANK AND LITTLE MEDIA INVOLVEMENT NEEDED. While bids keep hyping themselves, we keep signing on members and sponsors.. we keep selling merchandise and making equity.

I guess if it is all heart like you said then it can get you many things that money cannot.

 

[Smiley]

The Brisbane twenty20 side in the big bash is going to called the Brisbane Heat.

Other names that were in the shortlist were Chargers, Freestylers, Burn, Heat, Revolution, Dynamo, Thunder and Blast.

I'm glad they didn't pick chargers because that's the only decent name in the bunch and Brisbane2 should at least consider it.

 

[AlwaysGreen]

 

[smithie]

The Brisbane twenty20 side in the big bash is going to called the Brisbane Heat.

Other names that were in the shortlist were Chargers, Freestylers, Burn, Heat, Revolution, Dynamo, Thunder and Blast.

I'm glad they didn't pick chargers because that's the only decent name in the bunch and Brisbane2 should at least consider it.

Brisbane Chargers all the way.l

 

[Perth Red]

While the NRL would love another Brisbane team, They NRL have already said they won't get a team if it takes away from the Broncos.

From the way the bid team has handled it self since it went public, to me they sound like another Broncos instead of being another option to the Broncos. It remains to be seen but having another Brisbane team may take away supporters and members from the broncos towards this new team. The A-league is experiencing the Victory crowd decrease since the inclusion of the Heart. It may also take away from Broncos juniors and funding.

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just on these points
1. Taking away from the Broncos - Broncos are a privately owned company with profits going back to the shareholders. They are by a long way the richest club in the sport and with a salary cap of $5mill can afford to lose a few mill in corporates without effecting the football side of things for the greater good of the game.
2. You have used the Melbourne experience (even though it is too early to see the long team effects) but if we use the Perth experience then we can see that a new team can draw a whole new fanbase with min impact on the existing team, indeed the intense rivallary can lift both teams to new public awareness heights as the media jump on board with the competition between two local clubs.
3. How much of the Broncos income actually goes on jnr or grass roots RL in Q'land? I would suspect not alot, unfortunately we don;t have the WAFL set up where the State league gets a license fee from the club to help fund jnr development.

 

[applesauce]

Considering the Broncos turnover they put very little back into the game or marketing themselves well in Brisbane.

They are piss poor at junior funding, membership advertising etc. The only good thing they do is advertise the crap out of games and make the games a good event with plenty of stuff to see/do.

A 2nd team will force them to pull their finger out and that will be even better for RL.

 

[BDGS]

Considering the Broncos turnover they put very little back into the game or marketing themselves well in Brisbane.

They are piss poor at junior funding, membership advertising etc. The only good thing they do is advertise the crap out of games and make the games a good event with plenty of stuff to see/do.

A 2nd team will force them to pull their finger out and that will be even better for RL.

Or the other team will be just as bad.

Fact this there is no proof from this bid that this is the team that can force the Broncos to do that.

At this point its all just speculation.

 

[applesauce]

Or the other team will be just as bad.

Fact this there is no proof from this bid that this is the team that can force the Broncos to do that.

At this point its all just speculation.

Fact this there is no proof from this bid that this is the team that CAN'T force the Broncos to do that.

At this point its all just speculation.

 

[Perth Red]

true, but then this board would be pretty dull if we didn't speculate!

With new competition then quality businesses will lift their game to attract and maintain their market share. That is a fact not speculation!

 

[Goddo]

:lol:

I think its closer to this though:

 

[BuffaloRules]

Or the other team will be just as bad.

Fact this there is no proof from this bid that this is the team that can force the Broncos to do that.

At this point its all just speculation.

Your a bit of a glass half empty kind of guy arent you??

 

[Goddo]

QUOTE=Red&BlackBear;7174842]The NRL were the one's who came out earlier this century and said that the CC was a strategic expansion region/area.[/QUOTE]
True, but relative to pretty much every other bid its a weak option. They say things like that to be nice too, when in reality they are thinking bigger picture.

Since then the Central Coast Bears have had a private bid (Brisbane 2/CQ) and failed. They then changed the entire set up and appointed Greg Florimo as CEO. The Central Coast Bears now mave a community owned bid.

Irelevant. The changes in your bid have next to no relevance to meeting criteria for NRL admission, including improving the TV rights of the game, and improving the overall balance sheet of the competition.

I didn't know pulling heart strings alone could get you

* stadium - Perth and Brisbane II also have, CQ have government guarentee.

* equity - Perth, Brisbane II and CQ also have

* 5700 financial members - At $20 a pop they aren't worth much

* major sponsorship with Mortage House worth $1.5 mil a year - Brisbane II will anounce on 21 Feb several sponsors signed up amounting to $10m a year.

* major sponsorships with 4 other firms worth $ 1 mil a year - Perth and CQ also have sizable sponsorships, CQ especially with QR and minners lined up.

* $10million to be underwritten - in return for selling your clubs ownership

* 5 hec.worth of land acquired for development of Center of Excellence - Sharkies own their land. Nothing to be too scoffed about, especially since it was a handout

* merchandise selling in retail stores - Bears memorabilia. Irelevant

* incredibly strong business model - Not so sure of this. I thought your mob sold out to Mortgage House, and Gallop has said your bid is still deficient in this area

* even stronger financial model - Stronger than what? have you seen any of the other bids

* self sustainability - ??? You add nothing to the comp but another mouth to feed. What happens when you are required to grow your revenue and can't? You will be the new Cronulla

* approval from some of the game most iconic figures - So? They don't make the call

* political backing from Labor (gave the CCBears a $100,000 grant) and Liberals (Joe Hockey, CC Libs land acquisiton) - again, nice to have, but they aren't the decision makers. Other bids have political backing

* over 40 local businesses on the Central Coast & North Shore as sponsors & partners - woopty do. The Terrigal Lolly shop supports you. Best get the Bears into the national comp then.

* corporate support from the N.S & C.C. - As every other bid has from their communities, particularily CQ, Perth and Brisbane II

* private support from N.S. & C.C. - See previous point

* CCDRL & CCRL approval - :lol: The QRL is backing Brisbane II, a QRL club is backing the Jets, everyone is backing Perth, and the rumoured third Brisbane bid is a joint venture between two QRL clubs

* junior clubs already affiliating themselves with the Central Coast Bears - so it wasn't that long ago they were Storm. Or Sunshine Coast aligned with Manly. Its just a feeder region.

* representing 22% of the most populated state in Australia - So you are claiming all of North Sydney are you, where that region is closer to many Sydney clubs than the Bears.

* it's a young (age wise) area thats growing as fast as any other in Australia (CC) - Brisbane is set to double in size between now and 2030. 6m people. Perth has 3m now and is also set to boom. CQ is a write off here, but the Central Coast has nothing to brag about.

Your bid is all heart because beyond working around the edges on things like jerseys, $10 memberships and trying to tap into memories of the Bears, you have failed to address in any real measurable way the big deficiency of your bid - Gosford is next to the over saturated Sydney. It will add nothing to the TV deal as there is already too much local NSW content for broadcasters.

See you at the next TV deal in 2017 Bears! :lol: