Brisbane3 - What is needed to make it a successful bid?

[Red&BlackBear]

Obviously this is no slight at you and you're sharing the latest whispers, but regarding Robina, a cursory look at GoogleMaps advises it's over an hour drive time from Ipswich to Robina and about half that time from Ipswich to Lang Park.

For a new side, in it's infancy trying to build a presence in the Brisbane market which already has 2 sides in, it doesn't seem to make sense for me (as an outsider) to have a South Queensland Jets playing out of Robina when even the Titans struggles to draw large there.

Does Ipswich not have enough coin to run this NRL expansion side themselves (unlike Redcliffe) so getting Easts involved helps firm up the financials or is it to get Easts off the table as a Brisbane expansion option/noise?

Hence why this one proposal is called South Queensland and not directly Ipswich. The point of it is to encompass all of SQ.

Admittedly the other proposals are much better on paper and are being actively worked on which is the reason I can’t go into them yet.

I shared this one because of the idea of it.

Ikin is an idiot. Success of dolphins is model to follow

No other team can directly follow Dolphins model unless they’re Tigers stand alone. Jets have assets but not the cash resources. But Jets are also the preferred brand by a country mile.

You’re right

But since ikin seems to think playing games at Gold Coast and Sunshine Coast is a good option for a sw Brisbane team I think we can ignore him

Qrl has muppets running them

If they link with the (Brisbane) tigers then maybe it’s a stronger bid

This isn’t Ikin’s idea. He has 0 to do with the proposals. They are merely put in front of him and Brian for their opinions.

 

[Wb1234]

Ipswich-based Jets NRL bid secures $40 million in funding as they look to join the league in 2028 - ABC News

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This was actually a good bid esp if singo was putting in money

Can’t see how a merger with easts tigers would work like if they train at langlands park what’s Ipswich got to do with it

Looking back on it they should’ve admitted easts tigers and not the broncos and possibly the dolphins back in the 80s and 90s

 

[Pippen94]

Never said it couldn't sustain one, It doesnt surprise me youve once again misrepresented what I've said. I said I dont think the comp needs a third Brisbane team.

Strength of NRL is Sydney. For AFL it's Melbourne. Brisbane has potential for numerous well supported clubs.

Hence why this one proposal is called South Queensland and not directly Ipswich. The point of it is to encompass all of SQ.

Admittedly the other proposals are much better on paper and are being actively worked on which is the reason I can’t go into them yet.

I shared this one because of the idea of it.


No other team can directly follow Dolphins model unless they’re Tigers stand alone. Jets have assets but not the cash resources. But Jets are also the preferred brand by a country mile.


This isn’t Ikin’s idea. He has 0 to do with the proposals. They are merely put in front of him and Brian for their opinions.

Dolphins approach is to target a particular region. That approach is needed in southern Brisbane.

 

[Pippen94]

Ipswich-based Jets NRL bid secures $40 million in funding as they look to join the league in 2028 - ABC News

amp.abc.net.au

This was actually a good bid esp if singo was putting in money

Can’t see how a merger with easts tigers would work like if they train at langlands park what’s Ipswich got to do with it

Looking back on it they should’ve admitted easts tigers and not the broncos and possibly the dolphins back in the 80s and 90s

I don't know how rich those club were in the 80's with joh's pokies ban.

 

[steeden.]

Can’t see how a merger with easts tigers would work like if they train at langlands park what’s Ipswich got to do with it

Looking back on it they should’ve admitted easts tigers and not the broncos and possibly the dolphins back in the 80s and 90s

Easts getting to own an NRL team is probably their goal, I guess. They’d have so much money without anything much to do with it. Can’t have a team called the tigers, can’t really have another team based in Brisbane. Ipswich is a means to an end?

admitting the Broncos was the right choice. Tigers and Phins had their own fans that others may not have got behind. Plus they’re only rich through pokies, which weren’t introduced until 1992

 

[titoelcolombiano]

Obviously this is no slight at you and you're sharing the latest whispers, but regarding Robina, a cursory look at GoogleMaps advises it's over an hour drive time from Ipswich to Robina and about half that time from Ipswich to Lang Park.

For a new side, in it's infancy trying to build a presence in the Brisbane market which already has 2 sides in, it doesn't seem to make sense for me (as an outsider) to have a South Queensland Jets playing out of Robina when even the Titans struggles to draw large there.

Does Ipswich not have enough coin to run this NRL expansion side themselves (unlike Redcliffe) so getting Easts involved helps firm up the financials or is it to get Easts off the table as a Brisbane expansion option/noise?

Ipswich have the population, RL juniors and Easts Tigers have the money.

They don't need to build any presence the Jets are synonymous with Ipswich right now, without an NRL club. The CBus idea is moronic, but it's temporary as the side would eventually play out of Ipswich. Personally, I'd just play them at Suncorp until the North Ipswich Reserve stadium is ready.

 

[Canard]

I’m not as confident about Adelaide having success … they are more AFL obsessed than Perth , it’s also a much smaller city and not as wealthy …and don’t have a history of the game over there unlike Perth ..I don’t see a lot of point to them other than just for the sake of having a team there ( nothing personal to anyone from Adelaide reading this …)

The reason is that it's a major capital city in Australia.

How can we expect the town to be into Rugby League when we've all but ignored it got 120 years?

It's not like Melbourne was some RL hotbed in 1998.

 

[Red&BlackBear]

Strength of NRL is Sydney. For AFL it's Melbourne. Brisbane has potential for numerous well supported clubs.



Dolphins approach is to target a particular region. That approach is needed in southern Brisbane.

I have to disagree with you there. The whole Dolphins calling themselves just Dolphins with no geographical connection in their name very much lines up with the main point that they made of trying to appeal as “Queensland’s” other team.

Their appeal and support isn’t contained to a particular region. There’s as much NRL Dolphins support in southern Brisbane as there is in northern Brisbane. The idea for Jets is to copy that same wider appeal model.

Ipswich have the population, RL juniors and Easts Tigers have the money.

They don't need to build any presence the Jets are synonymous with Ipswich right now, without an NRL club. The CBus idea is moronic, but it's temporary as the side would eventually play out of Ipswich. Personally, I'd just play them at Suncorp until the North Ipswich Reserve stadium is ready.

CBus proposal is no more than a temporary political move. Short term; to have another potential tenant to ensure upkeep and maintenance costs are at least equal to what the hire costs are. Currently, there’s a discrepancy with only Titans (both NRL and NRLW) teams playing there. Why all games couldn’t be at Suncorp is because of the early season cluster. 8 proposed games at Suncorp would be later in the season once super rugby and a league comps conclude.

Toowoomba is because Wagners are hovering as potential commercial partners. Sunshine Coast is because that ground is getting an Olympics upgrade. Dolphins will take a game there once those works conclude as well (that’s a fact).

Ipswich-based Jets NRL bid secures $40 million in funding as they look to join the league in 2028 - ABC News

amp.abc.net.au

This was actually a good bid esp if singo was putting in money

Can’t see how a merger with easts tigers would work like if they train at langlands park what’s Ipswich got to do with it

Looking back on it they should’ve admitted easts tigers and not the broncos and possibly the dolphins back in the 80s and 90s

Singo promises and rarely delivers. Further to this the NRL have moved away from guys like him decades ago. They enjoy his wider support but they shun any direct involvement with clubs. Under this proposal Jets would train and be based in Ipswich. Tigers would be commercial partners and a direct feeder (like Ipswich). Again, repeating myself here - these clubs have already jumped into bed to form a bid together in the past. This isn’t something new.

I’ve been doing some preliminary work with the people involved in the Jets concepts. No where as in-depth as my Bears involvement. Not even close really. Again, I need to stress this was one of a couple proposals and if I’m flagging it in detail here it likely means it’s not a candidate to move forward on.

I’ll share the others once they’re ready to be shared.

 

[Pippen94]

I have to disagree with you there. The whole Dolphins calling themselves just Dolphins with no geographical connection in their name very much lines up with the main point that they made of trying to appeal as “Queensland’s” other team.

Their appeal and support isn’t contained to a particular region. There’s as much NRL Dolphins support in southern Brisbane as there is in northern Brisbane. The idea for Jets is to copy that same wider appeal model.



CBus proposal is no more than a temporary political move. Short term; to have another potential tenant to ensure upkeep and maintenance costs are at least equal to what the hire costs are. Currently, there’s a discrepancy with only Titans (both NRL and NRLW) teams playing there. Why all games couldn’t be at Suncorp is because of the early season cluster. 8 proposed games at Suncorp would be later in the season once super rugby and a league comps conclude.

Toowoomba is because Wagners are hovering as potential commercial partners. Sunshine Coast is because that ground is getting an Olympics upgrade. Dolphins will take a game there once those works conclude as well (that’s a fact).



Singo promises and rarely delivers. Further to this the NRL have moved away from guys like him decades ago. They enjoy his wider support but they shun any direct involvement with clubs. Under this proposal Jets would train and be based in Ipswich. Tigers would be commercial partners and a direct feeder (like Ipswich). Again, repeating myself here - these clubs have already jumped into bed to form a bid together in the past. This isn’t something new.

I’ve been doing some preliminary work with the people involved in the Jets concepts. No where as in-depth as my Bears involvement. Not even close really. Again, I need to stress this was one of a couple proposals and if I’m flagging it in detail here it likely means it’s not a candidate to move forward on.

I’ll share the others once they’re ready to be shared.

If you wanted to appeal to all of South east Qld you wouldn't keep jets name which is synonymous with Ipswich. Dolphins point you made is hard to believe particularly when their back up grounds are in Redcliffe and on the sunshine coast; clearly targeting the north.

 

[BuffaloRules]

The reason is that it's a major capital city in Australia.

How can we expect the town to be into Rugby League when we've all but ignored it got 120 years?

It's not like Melbourne was some RL hotbed in 1998.

Well ..your entitled to your opinion as I am mine

I will say though that Melbourne is a much bigger city and economic powerhouse of the country in comparison with Adelaide…and worth the struggle that they have had to endure for arguably modest results to date…particularly with local elite/ NRL players that have been produced from there …Im sure that it helps with sponsorship and TV money though … Adelaide…not so much IMO

 

[Canard]

Well ..your entitled to your opinion as I am mine

I will say though that Melbourne is a much bigger city and economic powerhouse of the country in comparison with Adelaide…and worth the struggle that they have had to endure for arguably modest results to date…particularly with local elite/ NRL players that have been produced from there …Im sure that it helps with sponsorship and TV money though … Adelaide…not so much IMO

Adelaide has to be worth at least 1/5th of SEQ or 1/9th of Sydney.

 

[BuffaloRules]

Adelaide has to be worth at least 1/5th of SEQ or 1/9th of Sydney.

We’ll have to see if and when the NRL agrees …I don’t expect it to be anytime soon …

 

[Red&BlackBear]

If you wanted to appeal to all of South east Qld you wouldn't keep jets name which is synonymous with Ipswich. Dolphins point you made is hard to believe particularly when their back up grounds are in Redcliffe and on the sunshine coast; clearly targeting the north.

How is it hard to believe? It’s literally what it is. They set themselves in Redcliffe because thats where their license holders operate from and it’s their historical and spiritual home.

However they aren’t targeting the “north”. They’re targeting all of QLD, hence their names “Dolphins”. It’s literally there without a geographical location named with the NRL franchise brand.

 

[Pippen94]

How is it hard to believe? It’s literally what it is. They set themselves in Redcliffe because thats where their license holders operate from and it’s their historical and spiritual home.

However they aren’t targeting the “north”. They’re targeting all of QLD, hence their names “Dolphins”. It’s literally there without a geographical location named with the NRL franchise brand.

When they have a home game south of the river let me know

 

[Red&BlackBear]

When they have a home game south of the river let me know

Is that your metric? Have you had a head knock lately? Or is this something you been dealing with for sometime? Let me know

 

[Pippen94]

Is that your metric? Have you had a head knock lately? Or is this something you been dealing with for sometime? Let me know

Where is team based?! What are their home grounds?! What is there history?! They're a north Brisbane team.

 

[Pippen94]

From dolphins website:
"The Dolphins’ catchment extends from the north of Brisbane, through the Redcliffe peninsula and Brisbane northern corridor, up to the Sunshine Coast, Wide Bay and Rockhampton and Central Queensland."

Our Strategy

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www.dolphinsnrl.com.au

 

[Red&BlackBear]

Where is team based?! What are their home grounds?! What is there history?! They're a north Brisbane team.

This screams of someone who has no idea how the Queensland NRL clubs are seen by locals, and has quite evidently never lived in SE QLD. Broncos, Dolphins support isn’t isolated to a specific part of the city. Matter of fact Logan has a crapload of people who support Phins and you’ll see a lot of Phins merch on locals in a very traditional southern part of Brisbane. In a strong RL heartland. Go to Hyperdome, you can see it for yourself.

Titans and Cowboys equally have strong support spread across QLD. Sure they are supported at their strongest within their geographical regions but there’s a decent spread across the state.

There’s a reason Terry chose not to push a geographical name onto Dolphins NRL. He didn’t want to isolate. You’re also confusing catchment of juniors to spread of support. By your own metric South Sydney would be a western Sydney team simply because they play at Homebush…

I get you want to argue but how your portraying just isn’t the truth. Definitely not to me, who is as local as they come to South QLD.

Phins might located on the north, but they aren’t a club specific to just the north. They could have chosen Brisbane as their geographical name, it was in the cards but they also didn’t want to be pinned to just greater Brisbane either.

Jets intend to be the same. Located in the west but very much a broader South Queensland club.

 

[steeden.]

I have to disagree with you there. The whole Dolphins calling themselves just Dolphins with no geographical connection in their name very much lines up with the main point that they made of trying to appeal as “Queensland’s” other team.

Their appeal and support isn’t contained to a particular region. There’s as much NRL Dolphins support in southern Brisbane as there is in northern Brisbane. The idea for Jets is to copy that same wider appeal model.



CBus proposal is no more than a temporary political move. Short term; to have another potential tenant to ensure upkeep and maintenance costs are at least equal to what the hire costs are. Currently, there’s a discrepancy with only Titans (both NRL and NRLW) teams playing there. Why all games couldn’t be at Suncorp is because of the early season cluster. 8 proposed games at Suncorp would be later in the season once super rugby and a league comps conclude.

Toowoomba is because Wagners are hovering as potential commercial partners. Sunshine Coast is because that ground is getting an Olympics upgrade. Dolphins will take a game there once those works conclude as well (that’s a fact).



Singo promises and rarely delivers. Further to this the NRL have moved away from guys like him decades ago. They enjoy his wider support but they shun any direct involvement with clubs. Under this proposal Jets would train and be based in Ipswich. Tigers would be commercial partners and a direct feeder (like Ipswich). Again, repeating myself here - these clubs have already jumped into bed to form a bid together in the past. This isn’t something new.

I’ve been doing some preliminary work with the people involved in the Jets concepts. No where as in-depth as my Bears involvement. Not even close really. Again, I need to stress this was one of a couple proposals and if I’m flagging it in detail here it likely means it’s not a candidate to move forward on.

I’ll share the others once they’re ready to be shared.

As always, like with the Bears, appreciate your information and insight.

 

[Vlad59]

As always, like with the Bears, appreciate your information and insight.

He’s easily one of the best posters here.