Bulls’ Burgess in Parra’s sights

[Jake the snake]

countless???...ok here's a challenge for you Jake, quote 3 seperate posts, I'm sure it wouldn't be difficult ;-)

meanwhile, I really don't have an issue admitting that I was wrong and I probably was then as I have been on many occasions on many issues and topics but I was simply reacting to the report about Cayless's upgrade that was supposedly preventing Parramatta from improving their squad..

also Jake if you want to play that game, lets touch base in a year or 2 and see how the new Jonathon

Thurston will be going at Cronulla...;-);-)

But Stagger your always right and everyone else is wrong.

Pffffffffttttt I could not be bothered to go through your posts. I really don't give a toss. I find your posts informative when your not fence sitting, But it obiviously bothers you when I write something.

 

[AlexTheEel]

countless???...ok here's a challenge for you Jake, quote 3 seperate posts, I'm sure it wouldn't be difficult ;-)

meanwhile, I really don't have an issue admitting that I was wrong and I probably was then as I have been on many occasions on many issues and topics but I was simply reacting to the report about Cayless's upgrade that was supposedly preventing Parramatta from improving their squad..

also Jake if you want to play that game, lets touch base in a year or 2 and see how the new Jonathon Thurston will be going at Cronulla...;-);-)

I dont have a problem with you stating what u belived to be the case but it was alot more then 3 or so posts. Obviouslly no one will be bothered to check up on that.

 

[oldmancraigy]

and you don't remember the media report about Cayless's upgrade which prevented players from coming to the club??..

another signafacent thing happened since the "new board" came on was that Hindmarsh had his deal exteneded 2 years with his contract money back ended which freed up a fair amount of money for next year...

2 things Stagger:

(1) I don't think Hindy's contract money for next season was changed at all because I don't believe it's legal to do that. After the Bulldogs cap rorting (Patten + Ryan) the NRL changed the rules so that only NEW contracts can be front or back loaded. Basically existing deals can't be changed.

(2) Hindy signed on for 2011 and 2012 for less than he is currently being paid. The idea is that he took a paycut to hang around (no doubt there'll be 3rd party sponsors who step in of their own accord and make sure the big fella is on the same moolah - but not as harsh on our cap).

Having said all that, I've been keeping track of our cap numbers for a few years now, and STARTING to get a bit of accuracy (for example I had Inu and Mateo pegged at 280k - turns out they were both on 275k) - and, if you recall, I was saying there was definitely going to be cash to splash for 2010 --> the Poore scenario was always going to be possible, and the fact that we got Shackleton at a bargain price meant we could squeeze in Tahu.
Tahu's contract is "back-ended" - ie, he gets something like 100k this season and then 300-350k each of the next 2.

I'm not a fan of back-ended contracts AT ALL - in fact I'm a believer in "flat no-raise" contracts for 2-3 year deals simply because it assumes the cap won't increase - if it does suddenly we have more to spend!

anyway - to sum it all up, we have (according to me) almost $2.5million to spend for 2011 - but we're nowhere near the required 25 players. PLUS we'll be looking at re-signing guys like Hayne/ Mateo/ Mortimer.

 

[Gronk]

http://www.rugbyleaguelive.com.au/A...o_room_under_the_cap_for_roster_overhaul.aspx

Pretty sure that Rugbyleaguelive.com.au just cut and paste Telecrap articles. That one would have been an pre-election special buy Josh for sure.

 

[Stagger eel]

But Stagger your always right and everyone else is wrong.

and where have I ever stated that?? :?

 

[Stagger eel]

2 things Stagger:

(1) I don't think Hindy's contract money for next season was changed at all because I don't believe it's legal to do that. After the Bulldogs cap rorting (Patten + Ryan) the NRL changed the rules so that only NEW contracts can be front or back loaded. Basically existing deals can't be changed.

(2) Hindy signed on for 2011 and 2012 for less than he is currently being paid. The idea is that he took a paycut to hang around (no doubt there'll be 3rd party sponsors who step in of their own accord and make sure the big fella is on the same moolah - but not as harsh on our cap).

Having said all that, I've been keeping track of our cap numbers for a few years now, and STARTING to get a bit of accuracy (for example I had Inu and Mateo pegged at 280k - turns out they were both on 275k) - and, if you recall, I was saying there was definitely going to be cash to splash for 2010 --> the Poore scenario was always going to be possible, and the fact that we got Shackleton at a bargain price meant we could squeeze in Tahu.
Tahu's contract is "back-ended" - ie, he gets something like 100k this season and then 300-350k each of the next 2.

I'm not a fan of back-ended contracts AT ALL - in fact I'm a believer in "flat no-raise" contracts for 2-3 year deals simply because it assumes the cap won't increase - if it does suddenly we have more to spend!

anyway - to sum it all up, we have (according to me) almost $2.5million to spend for 2011 - but we're nowhere near the required 25 players. PLUS we'll be looking at re-signing guys like Hayne/ Mateo/ Mortimer.

Craig again, you may well be correct and what I heard was garbage but as was proven with articles that were posted the general concensus from the media was that we were struggling with cap space for 2010 and now were suddenly signing players left, right and centre and life is now peachy!

 

[Stagger eel]

I dont have a problem with you stating what u belived to be the case but it was alot more then 3 or so posts. Obviouslly no one will be bothered to check up on that.

ok Alex, you're a smart bloke..you tell me what countless means, 3?? 5?? 50?? 100??..as I said, I'm sure if I mentioned it countless time and wouldn't be difficult to quote me..;-)

 

[fish eel]

Craig again, you may well be correct and what I heard was garbage but as was proven with articles that were posted the general concensus from the media was that we were struggling with cap space for 2010 and now were suddenly signing players left, right and centre and life is now peachy!

the fact a number of guys wont be re-signed, or will have to take big cuts like Lowrie, and that guys like Cordoba have been let go suggest there was some truth to the stories about how much cap space we had. Maybe not as tight as made out, but there has had to be some juggling.

 

[oldmancraigy]

Craig again, you may well be correct and what I heard was garbage but as was proven with articles that were posted the general concensus from the media was that we were struggling with cap space for 2010 and now were suddenly signing players left, right and centre and life is now peachy!

Hey - I'm not accusing you of lying or fabricating the truth!

FOR SURE I remember the article(s) when it was 'revealed' we had no cash. That sent me into a spin - I thought my sums were all wrong and SOMEONE must've been getting a bigger payday than I thought (turns out Lowrie was...).

Funny how the article(s) all turned around not long after that.

Funny also that Cayless looks to be on 400-450k next season even though the board has come out and said "the media reports were definitely wrong on his salary amount" [maybe he's on 412 and that exact number wasn't given??]

I don't think we NEED to release a contracted player for 2010. HOWEVER if Tahu's deal is not backended, then we do need to - and we'd be able to offer Joe more than a 55k deal if some of Hagan's "special deal guys" like Hauraki or Oake find employment elsewhere!

I'm just glad Tautai only took the 1 year extension and isn't around next season! (silly of him...)

 

[AlexTheEel]

ok Alex, you're a smart bloke..you tell me what countless means, 3?? 5?? 50?? 100??..as I said, I'm sure if I mentioned it countless time and wouldn't be difficult to quote me..;-)

Im not that keen mate.

 

[Bigfella]

back to the point - any word on whether we are chasing Sam?

 

[Stagger eel]

Hey - I'm not accusing you of lying or fabricating the truth!

FOR SURE I remember the article(s) when it was 'revealed' we had no cash. That sent me into a spin - I thought my sums were all wrong and SOMEONE must've been getting a bigger payday than I thought (turns out Lowrie was...).

Funny how the article(s) all turned around not long after that.

Funny also that Cayless looks to be on 400-450k next season even though the board has come out and said "the media reports were definitely wrong on his salary amount" [maybe he's on 412 and that exact number wasn't given??]

I don't think we NEED to release a contracted player for 2010. HOWEVER if Tahu's deal is not backended, then we do need to - and we'd be able to offer Joe more than a 55k deal if some of Hagan's "special deal guys" like Hauraki or Oake find employment elsewhere!

I'm just glad Tautai only took the 1 year extension and isn't around next season! (silly of him...)

Craig, I hope you're 110% right..because tbh, i don't really want to lose any player currently under contract unless their name was Oake and Hauraki.

 

[oldmancraigy]

Craig, I hope you're 110% right..because tbh, i don't really want to lose any player currently under contract unless their name was Oake and Hauraki.

I guess we'll see!

Good test point for my numbers anyway...

 

[hineyrulz]

Has Tahu even signed on the dotted line yet????

 

[mickdo]

Has Tahu even signed on the dotted line yet????

I think Jodeci said he had signed something with us? Afaik he is still waiting on the official ARU release. That shouldn't be a problem I don't think.

 

[El Diablo]

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,25883553-2722,00.html

Crowe plots Super League raid

Stuart Honeysett, Rugby League | August 05, 2009
Article from: The Australian

HOLLYWOOD superstar Russell Crowe is believed to have wined and dined British Test player Sam Burgess during the filming of his new movie Robin Hood in a bid to lure the young star to South Sydney.

The Rabbitohs are one of several NRL clubs chasing the 19-year-old Bradford Bulls prop with Wests Tigers, Manly and Penrith also understood to have expressed an interest.

Crowe, who has a controlling interest in the Rabbitohs along with Peter Holmes a Court, is filming in Nottingham.

He hit the headlines recently for allegedly being barred from the Brickmakers Hotel in Windlesham, Surrey, after an argument with staff at closing time. The Oscar-winning actor has rejected the claim.

"The club's got no comment to make," South Sydney chief executive Shane Richardson said last night of the speculation.

While Richardson was tight-lipped, it is believed South Sydney has been exploring signing Burgess -- who has another year to run on his deal -- to replace departing utility Craig Wing.

The Bulls website says Burgess was voted "Best Teenager in the World" (although by who is not listed) and his "strong running and fierce tackling are well-known and he is already being talked about as one of the best players in the game".

He hails from a rugby league family. His late father, Mark, was a professional player with Nottingham City, Rochdale, Dewsbury and Hunslet. His brother Luke plays for Leeds, and twin brothers Thomas and George are both with Bradford.

It is believed Souths at one stage were trying to swap Wing with Burgess to avoid paying a transfer fee.

However, any deal fell through after Wing accepted a $1.5million offer to play rugby in Japan.

The Rabbitohs will have room to move under the salary cap given Wing will be joined by David Fa'alogo (Huddersfield) and Michael Greenfield (St George Illawarra) in leaving the club at season's end. David Kidwell is not expected to re-sign.

The sticking point for any NRL club signing Burgess for next year is it would have to negotiate a settlement for the final year of his contract at the Bulls.

That money would have to be included in any deal Burgess signed -- and it has been estimated some clubs could be prepared to pay as much as $300,000 a season -- making it an unlikely proposition for next year.

However, interest still remains beyond that. Tigers coach Tim Sheens and recruitment manager Warren McDonnell met Burgess when he toured with England's World Cup team last year.

Burgess did not play in the tournament after undergoing a shoulder reconstruction but was invited to tour with the English team. He made his Britain debut in 2007 and represented England last year.

The Tigers have one English forward on their books. Former Leeds backrower Gareth Ellis joined the club this season on a three-year deal.

"We're looking at him because he has the potential to be one of the best frontrowers playing at the moment," McDonnell said of Burgess. "He's only 19, going on 20 years old, he's a big frame, good leg speed, he's got lots going for him and he's keen to come out to Australia."

It is believed Burgess's Bradford teammate and premiership-winning backrower Steve Menzies has been promoting the Sea Eagles as an option.

Manly chairman Scott Penn said the club was interested in Burgess but had several players to sign before him, including halfback Matt Orford. "I'm sure there's interest but only if it can fit within the cap," Penn said.

The Panthers have also been linked to Burgess. Penrith coach Matthew Elliott was in charge of the Bulls from 1996-2000 and is friends with Burgess's manager and former Bradford chairman Chris Caisley.

 

[Gronk]

The status of the Bradford and England prop Sam Burgess as one of the game's hottest properties has been confirmed by a personal approach from Russell Crowe.The Gladiator star, who is in England filming a new version of Robin Hood, has intervened in an effort to persuade Burgess to sign for the South Sydney club in which he has a controlling interest.
The 20-year-old, who became Great Britain's youngest forward since Andy Farrell when he made a try-scoring debut in the home series against New Zealand in 2007, is keen to further his development in Australia's National Rugby League, and has already been strongly linked with Manly, Parramatta and Penrith.
However he is contracted with Bradford until the end of the 2010 season, meaning that the Bulls would demand compensation to release their prize asset any time before then.
Daryl Millard, a Canterbury Bulldogs centre who played for Fiji in last year's World Cup, is the latest NRL player to be linked with a move to Bradford next season.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2009/aug/04/sam-burgess-bradford-bulls-russell-crowe

 

[Utey]

What a signing this would be.

 

[bartman]

I'd be happy with signing him up for 2011 onwards... if he can wait a season and see out his Bradford contract.

Surely he'd want to have his 21st in his home country, instead of spending it training with an NRL team on the other side of the world....

 

[EELICIT]

Shoulders out at 19yrs old ??. Growing issues ? Sounds like a SBW to me. He likes to shoulder charge and that would be a problem for any side signing him. He looks the goods but i wouldnt be signing him as he might be a liability come 2 or 3 yrs down the track. Just my opinion