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Perth Red

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They'd be better starting one to petition for expansion in the first instance! Way things look there will be no submitted bids for a few years to come.
 

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They'd be better starting one to petition for expansion in the first instance! Way things look there will be no submitted bids for a few years to come.

It really amounts to the same thing. We know approx 90% of fans want expansion (hope no-one is going to suggest those poll figures are rigged). If this petition catches fire, it may help make the ARLC at least consider expansion....which benefits all the bid areas. If a Bears petition is unable to get more than a couple of 1000 for example, it hardly suggests there is a groundswell for expansion, which makes it convenient for the ARLC to put it aside.

Its in everyone's interest that wants expansion to push the petition. To consider the Bears, they'll consider all options. That's all any of us can ask for - a chance to bid.

Edit - just had a look at the petition number - up to 2600 - good start after just a few days.
 
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It really amounts to the same thing. We know approx 90% of fans want expansion (hope no-one is going to suggest those poll figures are rigged). If this petition catches fire, it may help make the ARLC at least consider expansion....which benefits all the bid areas. If a Bears petition is unable to get more than a couple of 1000 for example, it hardly suggests there is a groundswell for expansion, which makes it convenient for the ARLC to put it aside.

Its in everyone's interest that wants expansion to push the petition. To consider the Bears, they'll consider all options. That's all any of us can ask for - a chance to bid.

Edit - just had a look at the petition number - up to 2600 - good start after just a few days.

not really, plenty of fans will be pro expansion but not see the value in adding another NSW team over other expansion areas so a poll like this is hardly going to be representative of the fans opinions on expansion and I would imagine the commission will see it that way.

If they had made it a general expansion petition then it might have attracted the tens of thousands of expansion fans of other bids, just a thought!
 

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not really, plenty of fans will be pro expansion but not see the value in adding another NSW team over other expansion areas so a poll like this is hardly going to be representative of the fans opinions on expansion and I would imagine the commission will see it that way.

If they had made it a general expansion petition then it might have attracted the tens of thousands of expansion fans of other bids, just a thought!

Doubt it because even then the Bears still have the loyal old supporters whom still dwarf all other bids fans. Plus if the CCBears continuously keep winning or coming 2nd in polls then any petition will be representive of that. Hence why this one met its original quota in 3 days...
 

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not really, plenty of fans will be pro expansion but not see the value in adding another NSW team over other expansion areas so a poll like this is hardly going to be representative of the fans opinions on expansion and I would imagine the commission will see it that way.

If they had made it a general expansion petition then it might have attracted the tens of thousands of expansion fans of other bids, just a thought!

The Bears are sort of like that classic physics paradox Schrodinger's cat (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schrödinger's_cat) They're BOTH inside and outside Sydney.
 

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not really, plenty of fans will be pro expansion but not see the value in adding another NSW team over other expansion areas so a poll like this is hardly going to be representative of the fans opinions on expansion and I would imagine the commission will see it that way.

If they had made it a general expansion petition then it might have attracted the tens of thousands of expansion fans of other bids, just a thought!

No probs, we'll keep making the running on expansion then. At least we'll see if a decent amount of people do want the Bears, or if its just a few thousand old Bears crackpots as some claim (not you).
 

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you'll probably get around 7-10k which is what most of these things seem to draw. Matters not, it will have zero influence on if the ARLC will spend $15mill a year+ on expansion!
 

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http://www.theroar.com.au/2012/09/12/bears-launch-a-call-to-arms/

Greg Florimo, CEO of the Central Coast Bears, has made a direct appeal to the rugby league community for assistance in bringing the question of expansion back to the table.
Recent polls suggest that around 90% of fans want expansion. After 10 years of trying, the Bears at least deserve the right to present a bid submission.
Edmund Burke, the prominent 18th Century Irish statesman said “all that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. Do not allow evil to triumph. Do not do sit by and do nothing.”
With New Zealand rights and digital contracts set to reap the ARLC an additional $200m or thereabouts, the game is looking at a net result of $1.25 billion.
A great result which provides ample resources to secure existing clubs’ futures and massively increase grassroots support for junior and country rugby league.
Channel Nine claim not to be prepared to pay more for an additional game – but should that preclude expansion? Not if any prospective bids can add net value to the competition.
The acting CEO of the ARLC, Shane Mattiske, has stated that expansion is still possible if it can be proved a new entrant will not require additional funding and can strengthen grassroots involvement in the game.
The Bears tick both boxes.
The Rugby League Week poll released last month suggests 92% of fans want expansion, and of these, the Central Coast were overwhelmingly favoured by 46%, with Western Australia next on 29%.
These were the two leading contenders. The rest failed to garner much support: Central Queensland 13%, Brisbane Bombers 5%, Wellington 3%, Papua New Guinea 2% and Ipswich 2%.
Just as importantly, the favourite ground of fans to watch the game is Bluetongue (26%) ahead of Suncorp (21%), with no other venue over 10%.
This poll followed the News Limited poll a week prior which found WA and Central Coast neck and neck as overwhelming favourites for expansion.
These results aren’t an anomaly – they have been consistently repeated year after year, and every year Bluetongue fills to or near capacity to watch whatever scraps are thrown the Central Coast’s way.
Back to the ARLC’s newly stated position on expansion. In substance, this is nothing new.
John Quayle mentioned the key criteria months ago – an existing stadium, low costs, finance, demonstrated corporate and fan support.
After examining the Bears bid he said it’s a no brainer. He argued that they should be in, and put in urgently or the game would lose its player nursery on the Coast.
This is already starting to happen, with junior numbers down on the Coast. There can be no expansion to non-heartland areas if we can’t secure the player talent that will be fielded by any new teams.
The lowest cost model is obviously the CC Bears, as the infrastructure is in place, there is over 100 years experience in running a major league football club, and costs for the majority of visiting teams are minimal.
The only other low cost model (though not as low as the CC) would be a Suncorp based side. As for Quayle’s other criteria, the Bears are fully funded, obviously have a dedicated existing support base and are fully booked by significant corporate sponsors upon license grant.
With John Singleton potentially losing interest in rugby league, the Bears can buy the rights to the stadium they built, lock out prospective competitors and become a true community model – importantly, they own the playing rights at the stadium for the rest of the decade.
When looking at grassroots football (the other criteria stated by the ARLC) all three of Central Coast, western corridor and Central Queensland would achieve that mission admirably.
Though it would be desirable to add an extra game, to expand the League doesn’t need two teams entered simultaneously. The idea of staggering entry a la the AFL has enormous merit, particularly as the strongest of the bids on the newly stated criteria (the Bears) is ready to go now.
This would allow the ARLC to assist a less prepared entrant for 2016 entry.
Having two additional sides operating successfully at low cost before negotiations commence for the next TV deal would automatically increase the size of the subsequent outcome.
Also, adding the Bears now allows the Commission to make a healing and unifying statement that truly ends the Super League War.
With Cronulla’s position now apparently secure, calls for a relocation to the Coast are silenced.
All but the most naive acknowledge there can never be a stand-alone Central Coast side due to the lack of a corporate base on the Coast – the Bears bring not only their supporters, but the third largest corporate region in Australia behind Sydney CBD and Melbourne to the table.
For the Coast, it’s the Bears or nothing. As per Illawarra, to have a presence they need a linkage with a traditional supply route.
John Grant says the game is about the fans. The fans are the customers. The customers demand that expansion is back on the table.
 

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The game needs expansion, not just growth. Still a chance for CC but not great IMO. Some nice spin and half truths in that article but expect little else.
 

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The game needs expansion, not just growth. Still a chance for CC but not great IMO. Some nice spin and half truths in that article but expect little else.

What spin and what half truths? It's all been consistent for years now, there's no spin just facts.
 

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What spin and what half truths? It's all been consistent for years now, there's no spin just facts.

The acting CEO of the ARLC, Shane Mattiske, has stated that expansion is still possible if it can be proved a new entrant will not require additional funding and can strengthen grassroots involvement in the game.

Where has he stated this?

There can be no expansion to non-heartland areas if we can?t secure the player talent that will be fielded by any new teams.

Spin

With John Singleton potentially losing interest in rugby league, the Bears can buy the rights to the stadium they built, lock out prospective competitors and become a true community model ? importantly, they own the playing rights at the stadium for the rest of the decade.

What competitors? Afl? RU? The second bit is spin, there is no Bears exclusivity clause meaning the future landlords of the stadium can allow any team to hire it.

The only other low cost model (though not as low as the CC) would be a Suncorp based side.

Spin, I wasn't aware the bears had access to the other bids financial modeling
 

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The acting CEO of the ARLC, Shane Mattiske, has stated that expansion is still possible if it can be proved a new entrant will not require additional funding and can strengthen grassroots involvement in the game.

Where has he stated this?

There can be no expansion to non-heartland areas if we can’t secure the player talent that will be fielded by any new teams.

Spin

With John Singleton potentially losing interest in rugby league, the Bears can buy the rights to the stadium they built, lock out prospective competitors and become a true community model – importantly, they own the playing rights at the stadium for the rest of the decade.

What competitors? Afl? RU? The second bit is spin, there is no Bears exclusivity clause meaning the future landlords of the stadium can allow any team to hire it.

The only other low cost model (though not as low as the CC) would be a Suncorp based side.

Spin, I wasn't aware the bears had access to the other bids financial modeling

I'm pretty sure Shane Mattiske said that not to long ago in a radio interview. Its an answer which has been consistent with his predecessor Gallop.

No bid period can be given a look in if there isn't the player pool sufficient to make the numbers for new teams. Consistent again with what's been said for years.

The Bears have an iron clad contractual agreement with Bluetongue for exclusivity rights to play their. It goes beyond John Singleton's previous ownership. If they buy Bluetongue they'll go from exclusivity rights to major shareholder. Again, it's been consistent with planning around bluetongue not just recently but for years this one.

CC is a low cost, it has a built in fan base so minimal promotions and PR needed, it has 7000+ juniors so minimal spending on upgrading for junior bases needed, it has exclusivity rights to a stadium so minimal stadium costs needed. This isn't about access to models, this is blatantly what is there for all to see. It's again been consistent since we've started this bid.
 
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The game needs expansion, not just growth. Still a chance for CC but not great IMO. Some nice spin and half truths in that article but expect little else.

I seem to recall a particular Perth Reds supporter carrying on like a pork chop on this forum not altogether that long ago, saying something to the effect that he's "sick of the CC bid team bagging other bids".

Fmd, an article is released outlining some of the positives of our bid, and calling for our supporters to raise their collective voice, to show their support has not waned, and what do we get? Perth Red decrying it as spin and half-truths!

No wonder people in here think you're a whinger! Keep up your hypocrisy if it makes you feel better, but don't pretend to be holier than thou. For example, wthin seconds of the tv deal being announced, you were carrying on again about how hard done by you have been. We're in the same boat buddy, and our response to the tv deal was a big public congratulations to the ARLC, and a continued campaign of positive messages, and further fostering our supporter base.

If you wanna bag other bids, as your recent sooking would suggest you do, please refrain from kicking up a stink when other bids bag your own.
 

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Grizzly Bears want answers from ARL commission

CENTRAL Coast Bears boss Greg Florimo has called on the ARL Commission to make a clear statement about its intentions on the question of expansion.

The Bears have a business case supporting their bid to be re-admitted into the NRL, but the timeline for deciding on expansion has been constantly deferred.

Florimo said the club and fans deserve to know where the commission stands on the issue.

HAVE YOUR SAY: Should the Bears be re-admitted to the NRL? COMMENT BELOW

"We have been receiving limited messages from the commission and we believe it is time to force the issue, whether the commission sees a future for the Bears and the code in general on the Central Coast," he said.

"There are strong vested interests who don't want to see the league expand, but there are also considerable costs in passing up the opportunity to bring back the Bears to the Coast."

He said north shore fans could sign a petition calling on the Bears to be brought back into the league.

"The message to every league fan is if you want to bring back the Bears you need to make your voice heard now," he said.

Petition is at: change.org/bringbackthebears

http://north-shore-times.whereilive...ly-bears-want-answers-nrl-north-sydney-bears/
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I seem to recall a particular Perth Reds supporter carrying on like a pork chop on this forum not altogether that long ago, saying something to the effect that he's "sick of the CC bid team bagging other bids".

Fmd, an article is released outlining some of the positives of our bid, and calling for our supporters to raise their collective voice, to show their support has not waned, and what do we get? Perth Red decrying it as spin and half-truths!

No wonder people in here think you're a whinger! Keep up your hypocrisy if it makes you feel better, but don't pretend to be holier than thou. For example, wthin seconds of the tv deal being announced, you were carrying on again about how hard done by you have been. We're in the same boat buddy, and our response to the tv deal was a big public congratulations to the ARLC, and a continued campaign of positive messages, and further fostering our supporter base.

If you wanna bag other bids, as your recent sooking would suggest you do, please refrain from kicking up a stink when other bids bag your own.

I'm not bagging any bid, I have always been very complimentary about the way the Bears have developed their CC bid, a lesson we learnt from. Doesn't change the fact that Florimo article has some stuff in it that has no basis for truth or that I think the two rare opportunities to expand the game should be used to expand it new markets. The only other bid that has been critical of expansion to WA has been Florimo and he lost a lot of my respect (not that he will give a sh*t) when he did it.
 

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Grizzly Bears want answers from ARL commission

CENTRAL Coast Bears boss Greg Florimo has called on the ARL Commission to make a clear statement about its intentions on the question of expansion.

The Bears have a business case supporting their bid to be re-admitted into the NRL, but the timeline for deciding on expansion has been constantly deferred.

Florimo said the club and fans deserve to know where the commission stands on the issue.

HAVE YOUR SAY: Should the Bears be re-admitted to the NRL? COMMENT BELOW

"We have been receiving limited messages from the commission and we believe it is time to force the issue, whether the commission sees a future for the Bears and the code in general on the Central Coast," he said.

"There are strong vested interests who don't want to see the league expand, but there are also considerable costs in passing up the opportunity to bring back the Bears to the Coast."

He said north shore fans could sign a petition calling on the Bears to be brought back into the league.

"The message to every league fan is if you want to bring back the Bears you need to make your voice heard now," he said.

Petition is at: change.org/bringbackthebears

http://north-shore-times.whereilive...ly-bears-want-answers-nrl-north-sydney-bears/
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The commission has been clear they will release a statement of intent about expansion when the Games strategic plan is released at the end of the year. if it doesn't then we should all be moaning about not knowing when decisions will be made.
 
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