Central Coast Bears, 2013.

[Beowulf]

You're dismissing what the consultant said because you don't like it, and then put up the worn out arguments as proof?

The Bears do not value add from a TV/media/national advertising perspective - there are currently 10 NSW sides + Canberra and how many free to air slots?



Are you turning on Perth, the run away favourite, now?

Perth will add value to the NRL's revenue by opening a timeslot for more live football, and a large potential new advertising market, particularily with anti-siphoning law changes making the 2 hour broadcast delay into Perth important for whoever ends up with the NRLs rights.

The Bears is a very low risk, very low gain option for the NRL, but into a Wollongong-Canberra-Sydney-Newcastle market with a few struggling clubs.

With regards to the Titans, Gallop said just the other day that their situation will have absolutely NO impact on the expansion decision, so you can forget that arguement too. And the Sharks should be ok so long as the development doesn't fall through between now and 2013.

WRT the salary cap boost, you are way off - the club grant will exceed the salary cap from 2013. The surplus cash will go towards off field staff, but free up large amounts of money for clubs. It will have a net positive impact on every club.

Wait till after our bid document becomes public before saying the Bears add 'nothing'! Of course more people will watch NRL with the Bears back in, many from a rich demographic on the north shore whom advertisers love. I'd love a dollar on our membership drives for every person who says "I don't watch anymore since they kicked the Bears out". David Gallop knows this - he's said it himself umpteen times.

And there is no runaway favourite for expansion - unless you forget, the IC has an 'I' in it......and they haven't even met yet!

The Manly Media Manager can throw as many lines to journalists too lazy to investigate the bids as he wants, but the reality is its a level playing field despite the anti-Bears best efforts to drag them down.

All bids have pluses and minuses.....the Bears have just removed a minus. Isn't that wonderful????

 

[BuffaloRules]

Its all in the bid.

 

[Rockin Ronny]

When Gallop mentions all bids still have work to do I am sure ours is getting some signed deals but until bids are actually called for then I very much doubt we will be naming names.

This is where the rorting of the Beasr starts again.

I would like to see this idiot Gallop specify what additional work the CC Bears have to do - keeping in mind the CC Bears have:

• a world class stadium (now integrated into the bid),
• Singo's backing and existing sponsors
• more financial members than most existing clubs
• supprted by 2 big regions.

That NRL smell is getting stronger.

 

[Goddo]

^ a workable financial model, new media markets, increased national advertising revenue, improved TV rights value, new junior development areas, increased national exposure, no current or long term impact on NRL clubs.

Just a few things the Bears bid currently lacks.

 

[Red&BlackBear]

^ a workable financial model, new media markets, increased national advertising revenue, improved TV rights value, new junior development areas, increased national exposure, no current or long term impact on NRL clubs.

Just a few things the Bears bid currently lacks.

Considering you still are clueless about the Bears bid, it's very rich for you to post the above garbage. The Bears will provide all the above and then some.

We have,

* strong financial model which is beyond workable
* we add a lost media market
* bears as a brand have been around for 100 years, we have a national profile.
* we provide an extra team for an extra game, hence improved tv rights value
* we've brought back 2 junior clubs already from the brink of extinction and many more will follow, therefore we develope juniors on the back of having a team
* we'll play in Vic, Qld, Act, Wa and NZ hence the improved national exposure
* we have no impact on any team. Our region, our sponsors, our fans, our team.

Anymore poorly researched geniused points you wanna raise?

 

[firechild]

Wait till after our bid document becomes public before saying the Bears add 'nothing'! Of course more people will watch NRL with the Bears back in, many from a rich demographic on the north shore whom advertisers love. I'd love a dollar on our membership drives for every person who says "I don't watch anymore since they kicked the Bears out". David Gallop knows this - he's said it himself umpteen times.

That is only a solution for the very short term. There are some people on the North Shore that will come back to rugby league with the reintroduction of the Bears. Others won't bother with the new club because they are not North Sydney and most importantly, in the longer term, people in that part of Sydney will move towards other clubs as kids that have no memory of the 100 year old failure that played out of NS Oval start to follow the game. They are more likely to follow Manly or Easts than a club on the central coast.

 

[Rockin Ronny]

That is only a solution for the very short term. There are some people on the North Shore that will come back to rugby league with the reintroduction of the Bears. Others won't bother with the new club because they are not North Sydney and most importantly, in the longer term, people in that part of Sydney will move towards other clubs as kids that have no memory of the 100 year old failure that played out of NS Oval start to follow the game. They are more likely to follow Manly or Easts than a club on the central coast.

They won't follow Manly because they have always hated beachy drug-riddled scum that live 20 to a room.

The CC Bears had North Sydney as their founder - just as Manly was created by North Sydney then dropped into that shithole at BrokeBack Oval.

 

[firechild]

And it still hurts the Bears fans that little brother Manly had more success in their first 30 years than the Bears had in almost a century.

 

[Rockin Ronny]

^ a workable financial model, new media markets, increased national advertising revenue, improved TV rights value, new junior development areas, increased national exposure, no current or long term impact on NRL clubs.

Just a few things the Bears bid currently lacks.

Goddo

You're so full of shit.
you crap on about stuff like "workable financial model" as if you have a clue. you know what a workable financial model is? - it's a team that raises enough money to be sustainable and build a successful team. The CC Bears are streets ahead of anybody - have been for 10 years. NOT like the Titan/Dolphins where smoke and mirrors gets you a couple of honeymoon years then reality sets in with CRUNCH!

It's only fraud keeping the CC Bears out - we don't have enough 60 year old alocohlic mates at the NRL to push our cause.

 

[Beowulf]

And it still hurts the Bears fans that little brother Manly had more success in their first 30 years than the Bears had in almost a century.

Agree Manly have a tremendous football department headed by a very capable man in Des Hasler. I admire and acknowledge their football success but despise the Club's arrogance on all other fronts.

Give me 2 premierships and an honourable club any day!

 

[Beowulf]

That is only a solution for the very short term. There are some people on the North Shore that will come back to rugby league with the reintroduction of the Bears. Others won't bother with the new club because they are not North Sydney and most importantly, in the longer term, people in that part of Sydney will move towards other clubs as kids that have no memory of the 100 year old failure that played out of NS Oval start to follow the game. They are more likely to follow Manly or Easts than a club on the central coast.

The Club is both CC and northern Sydney, just like Manly isn't just Manly but Warringah and Pittwater - very easy trip by train to Gosford from the upper north shore, and easy to away games in Sydney from the lower north shore.

The kids will embrace the team especially when Bears logos are everywhere, players visiting schools/local clubs, kids being invited to training sessions, discounted/free pases to school kids to attend games etc...we may have lost a lot of the 8-28 market I agree, but the future is the young kids under 8 who will grow up with the Bears.

 

[Beowulf]

Considering you still are clueless about the Bears bid, it's very rich for you to post the above garbage. The Bears will provide all the above and then some.

We have,

* strong financial model which is beyond workable
* we add a lost media market
* bears as a brand have been around for 100 years, we have a national profile.
* we provide an extra team for an extra game, hence improved tv rights value
* we've brought back 2 junior clubs already from the brink of extinction and many more will follow, therefore we develope juniors on the back of having a team
* we'll play in Vic, Qld, Act, Wa and NZ hence the improved national exposure
* we have no impact on any team. Our region, our sponsors, our fans, our team.

Anymore poorly researched geniused points you wanna raise?

Agree - shows just how little some people know....if you're going to troll, it better be good!

 

[rednblack]

That is only a solution for the very short term. There are some people on the North Shore that will come back to rugby league with the reintroduction of the Bears. Others won't bother with the new club because they are not North Sydney and most importantly, in the longer term, people in that part of Sydney will move towards other clubs as kids that have no memory of the 100 year old failure that played out of NS Oval start to follow the game. They are more likely to follow Manly or Easts than a club on the central coast.

How in hell is that a short term solution? People typically have their team and stick with it, right? Forever. Which, as I understand it, is a fairly long time. Or is your concept of loyalty a little skewed from the popular (ie: English) definition?

Why, in the longer term as you say, are people so certain to "follow other clubs... like Manly or Easts"? What could possibly make you so sure that in the future people are more likely to follow an out-of-area team than their local one?

Kids just starting to follow rugby league anywhere in Australia would just as likely follow a Bears team as they would a chicken or a rabbit or a titan (whatever that is). The brand is not only strong in an existing market, but it also provides huge potential scope in future markets. If a child wants a strong, bold team to follow, which better than the greatest living carnivore on the face of the earth? This is marketing 101, and surely even simple enough for a manly scumbag to understand?

You, my friend, are a bigoted tool and know nothing about which you speak. I have no problems with people that are stupid or simple, I will happily let you dribble on your shirt, but please contain the dribble when in the company of people who see straight through your lies and incompetencies.

If you don't have any idea about the discussion going on around you (as evidenced by your imbecilic posts), I would respectfully request that you remain silent, as the grown-ups are having a mature discussion now. Ill-considered and uninformed contributions do not help anyone, and only go to prove your ignorant and biased view of current discussion points.

I wish you luck in your endeavors to one day mature into the ranks of a mature adult.

 

[firechild]

The Club is both CC and northern Sydney, just like Manly isn't just Manly but Warringah and Pittwater - very easy trip by train to Gosford from the upper north shore, and easy to away games in Sydney from the lower north shore.

That's just stupid logic. Firstly, the club is called Manly-Warringah. Secondly, when the club was formed, Warringah included everything up to Palm beach, Pittwater was formed later and the club still represents a single region (the Northern Beaches), not 2 distinct regions.

Also, if the club is CC and northern Sydney, why do we keep hearing the BS line that this is not another Sydney club? They can't keep changing the goalposts to suit their agenda and then deny their previous position. Either it is another Sydney club (and therefore should be rejected as part of the expansion) or it is not, and therefore the Sydney portion of their market can be disregarded.

 

[Bluebags1908]

That's just stupid logic. Firstly, the club is called Manly-Warringah. Secondly, when the club was formed, Warringah included everything up to Palm beach, Pittwater was formed later and the club still represents a single region (the Northern Beaches), not 2 distinct regions.

Also, if the club is CC and northern Sydney, why do we keep hearing the BS line that this is not another Sydney club? They can't keep changing the goalposts to suit their agenda and then deny their previous position. Either it is another Sydney club (and therefore should be rejected as part of the expansion) or it is not, and therefore the Sydney portion of their market can be disregarded.

Because they are planning on playing 11 home games in Gosford, and only 1 a North Sydney Oval.

 

[firechild]

But if they are relying on the "we'll cover the central coast plus northern sydney" line to get them back into the league then they are as much a Sydney club as St Merge. They are part Sydney, part non-Sydney. The fact is that while they may regain some supporters from the NS days IF they are re-introduced, going forward the number of supporters they will attract from the Sydney area will become fewer and fewer.

 

[Joker's Wild]

But by the same token they will naturally attract more and more support from the CC as younger fans come through with a local team to support.

In theory at least

 

[firechild]

And if that is the case, the Central Coast deserve their own team and not the relocated carcass of some old, failed Sydney club. However, no more NSW licenses should be given. Expansion needs to happen outside of NSW. 10 of the 16 existing clubs are already in NSW, all in the region from Newcastle to Wollongong and out to Penrith. Expansion needs to happen outside that small region.

 

[Knightmare]

And if that is the case, the Central Coast deserve their own team and not the relocated carcass of some old, failed Sydney club. However, no more NSW licenses should be given. Expansion needs to happen outside of NSW. 10 of the 16 existing clubs are already in NSW, all in the region from Newcastle to Wollongong and out to Penrith. Expansion needs to happen outside that small region.

Okay. Alice Springs Aces and Hobart Hawks here we come! :lol:

 

[Goddo]

And if that is the case, the Central Coast deserve their own team and not the relocated carcass of some old, failed Sydney club. However, no more NSW licenses should be given. Expansion needs to happen outside of NSW. 10 of the 16 existing clubs are already in NSW, all in the region from Newcastle to Wollongong and out to Penrith. Expansion needs to happen outside that small region.

I think the only way a Central Coast NRL side will work is if its a 50/50 club like St George Illawarra. There isn't enough people, money, interest et cetera for the Central Coast to support an NRL side on its own.

If the Bears get a licence, I'd rather they play at least 4 matches at North Sydney Oval against Manly, Souths, Wests and Roosters. Maybe Parra or St George if scheduling prevents a home game against the four listed.

But there is still the problem of an unsustainable number of Sydney/NSW clubs. We must get at least Perth, 2 South East Qld sides and Wellington into the competition. That must be the priority. Then further down the track Adelaide and others.