Central Coast Bears NRL Bid.

[gunpk]

It's been said before but the only was I can see this happening is if the NRL step in to help stop the Bears from protecting "their" territory. Manly have tried this in the past but have been stopped by the Bears each time

 

[flippikat]

Could there be an option for Manly to encompass the entire harbour to Gosford area, almost bring back the “Northern Sea Eagles” but in traditional Manly colours? Have the club sincerely engage the northern suburbs and Central Coast? Play a good wad of games at Gosford, a handful at Manly and one or two at NSO and base themselves at Brookvale? (Eg 5 games Gosford, 5 games Brookvale, 1 game NSO)??

Well, that's an ideal situation - a regional club to the north, kinda as a mirror to St George-Illawarra in the south.

The devil is the branding, and especially how Norths fits into the plan.

Given that there's been so long since the Bears were in the NRL, could the NRL, NSWRL & Manly hope to just turn the whole area over to the Sea Eagles?

It's a tough decision to make - but if the Sea Eagles went to the "powers that be" with a business plan (or vice versa) it might appeal.

 

[Perth Red]

Would that be nswrl call rather than nrl? End of day I can’t see how anyone could stop manly doing it if they really wanted to. Bigger problem is manly are skint and don’t have the Money to invest in growing themselves with selling the club to new investors with deeper pockets.

 

[flippikat]

Would that be nswrl call rather than nrl? End of day I can’t see how anyone could stop manly doing it if they really wanted to. Bigger problem is manly are skint and don’t have the Money to invest in growing themselves with selling the club to new investors with deeper pockets.

Yeah, when you get down to lower grades & juniors, it'd certainly be the NSWRL.

As much as these things don't matter so much now (given the amount of player movement), the NSWRL does need to look at the map & figure out how the cake needs to be sliced.

 

[siv]

The issue is not

Bears v Manly

but

Bears v Roosters

 

[flippikat]

The issue is not

Bears v Manly

but

Bears v Roosters

I wonder then if the NSWRL would be willing to broker a joining of territories between Norths & Easts.. or even strongly encourage come consolidation there?

If that came to pass, then it's a lot more pressure on Manly.

 

[siv]

I wonder then if the NSWRL would be willing to broker a joining of territories between Norths & Easts.. or even strongly encourage come consolidation there?

If that came to pass, then it's a lot more pressure on Manly.

Relocate Easts to Adelaide then CC Bears is the perfect fit

It would be a win-win for RL

 

[Perth Red]

Why would you even need to change jnrs, keep it under bears but link it to roosters. End of day if roosters get into the schools, do ongoing promotion and publicly state the region is there’s then should be enough to link the ns region to the roosters ongoing. No one is supporting the bears these days so it’s not like they are stepping on any toes,

 

[marshall stalin]

American football has too many stoppages, but there are elements from it that can be transferred to RL. The 6 tackle rule was influenced by the down system in American football and it's made the game a a better product.

Maybe we could learn from Canadian football and have 12 players instead of 13. Both codes play on a similar sized field. We don't need a lock forward.

I'd like to see specialist defenders at marker. I'd make these positions the only two that can be interchanged as they would be doing so much work. There would be four replacements for every other position.

Maybe second rowers can be turned into specialist defenders.

I read articles that say the ball is in play for 11 to 12 minutes in a NFL game and they can go 3 hours plus -V'landys would go nuts trying to make that game faster and the ball in play longer.

certainly don't need to go down the NFL path and have specialist defenders etc .

If the NRL gets any more faster and injury tolls mount they will either have to go back to the original rules of penalties and not 6 again's or make it 4 quarter football with 5 or so minute breaks between 1st and 3rd quarters and a 15 minute half time break.

Have 2 subs as well 18th and 19th player for players ruled out of games for injuries and concussions -concussions an automatic 1 game out or more depending on previous concussions - strict medical protocols to be able to play for players being ruled out of games

 

[marshall stalin]

Its a forum, and speaking your mind is allowed, and what you said was pretty stufid, so accept that others see the game as its played by everyone equally, and as the game will evolve but what it won't do is have specific specialist subs that cannot get tackled, its what makes the speedy hooker dangerous, or the side stepping wingers look so good, and 6-again rule was not an american influenced idea btw, @GROTD, not sure we have stoppages years ago that would even relate to the 4 hour nitpicking NFL is.

If anything (and this will make people possibly cringe) it would be a fairer game if the NRLW and NRL were the same game, not two seperate games based on gender... but there are so many issues that would arise, from not getting picked by the coach to a woman running over the best player on the opposition team and the embarrassment, which all are silly but media worthy scoops that would make the league stand out apart from the other codes of the world.
Maybe create a minimum of 2 players on field must be of different gender, as such you'd have 4 women on any given team playing 1st grade, getting hit, tackling, attacking as the men do, it would change the fabric of the game somewhat, but realistically it shouldn't, as it could be the same as making sure you have an interchange bench with 2 props, a 2nd rower and utility for the backs....
Having said that ive seen some of the womens games and they can crunch you very easily, and looking at guys like luke keary, he is pretty scrawny, a can see kezie apps absolutely demolish him

Hanna Southwell is one of the hardest hitters in the Women's game

 

[MugaB]

Relocate Easts to Adelaide then CC Bears is the perfect fit

It would be a win-win for RL

Ive been saying this for years

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Its a forum, and speaking your mind is allowed, and what you said was pretty stufid, so accept that others see the game as its played by everyone equally, and as the game will evolve but what it won't do is have specific specialist subs that cannot get tackled, its what makes the speedy hooker dangerous, or the side stepping wingers look so good, and 6-again rule was not an american influenced idea btw, @GROTD, not sure we have stoppages years ago that would even relate to the 4 hour nitpicking NFL is.

If anything (and this will make people possibly cringe) it would be a fairer game if the NRLW and NRL were the same game, not two seperate games based on gender... but there are so many issues that would arise, from not getting picked by the coach to a woman running over the best player on the opposition team and the embarrassment, which all are silly but media worthy scoops that would make the league stand out apart from the other codes of the world.
Maybe create a minimum of 2 players on field must be of different gender, as such you'd have 4 women on any given team playing 1st grade, getting hit, tackling, attacking as the men do, it would change the fabric of the game somewhat, but realistically it shouldn't, as it could be the same as making sure you have an interchange bench with 2 props, a 2nd rower and utility for the backs....
Having said that ive seen some of the womens games and they can crunch you very easily, and looking at guys like luke keary, he is pretty scrawny, a can see kezie apps absolutely demolish him

I'm not talking about the 6-again rule, but the 6 tackle rule that was introduced in the 60s or 70s to replace the old unlimited tackles system. Maybe I should have called it limited tackles. This rule was based on the downs system used in gridiron. Since then we've created the 40/20 rule in 97 and the 20/40 rule last year as a means of getting a new set of tackles.

Maybe the ARLC could make it so if the attacking team puts in a kick that travels 10 metres or more forward and is caught on the full by one of their players, then they get a brand new set of tackles. It'll make it more of a contest and add new skills and strategies to the game.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Could there be an option for Manly to encompass the entire harbour to Gosford area, almost bring back the “Northern Sea Eagles” but in traditional Manly colours? Have the club sincerely engage the northern suburbs and Central Coast? Play a good wad of games at Gosford, a handful at Manly and one or two at NSO and base themselves at Brookvale? (Eg 5 games Gosford, 5 games Brookvale, 1 game NSO)??

Would the larger community (ie more of the North’s and CC) embrace this if it were done right? Also, would Manly supporters be more inclined to travel north than they are to go to Moore Park or Homebush? I’d love to hear from locals or someone that’s has been a part of these communities especially as I have no idea....

To me, this would be righting a wrong from 20 years ago, future proofing an existing club, expanding the game in logical, meaningful ways to no detriment of anyone existing and ensuring any additional teams go to areas that genuinely grow the game. I know Bears fans probably won’t be on board being rightfully jaded, but could it happen?

My issue with this is Brookvale Oval. It's not fit for NRL games. If we want to attract big companies to invest in our game then we need to be playing at 21st century stadia.

I don't see an issue with the team being branded the North Sydney Sea Eagles, red and black. It could be billed as a foundation club from 1908 and split its games between Gosford and SFS.

 

[Captain Apollo]

I'm not talking about the 6-again rule, but the 6 tackle rule that was introduced in the 60s or 70s to replace the old unlimited tackles system. Maybe I should have called it limited tackles. This rule was based on the downs system used in gridiron. Since then we've created the 40/20 rule in 97 and the 20/40 rule last year as a means of getting a new set of tackles.

Maybe the ARLC could make it so if the attacking team puts in a kick that travels 10 metres or more forward and is caught on the full by one of their players, then they get a brand new set of tackles. It'll make it more of a contest and add new skills and strategies to the game.

The limited tackle rule for rugby league was brought into the NSWRL First Grade competition in 1967. It was a 4 tackle rule (it started in England in December 1966).

In the NSWRL it became the 6 tackle rule in the 1971 season, and in the UK it was introduced for the 1972-73 season.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

The limited tackle rule for rugby league was brought into the NSWRL First Grade competition in 1967. It was a 4 tackle rule (it started in England in December 1966).

In the NSWRL it became the 6 tackle rule in the 1971 season, and in the UK it was introduced for the 1972-73 season.

Thanks. 4 plays just aren't enough in RL.

I think it says everything that gridiron and RL started out as RU but replaced the ruck and maul system for the PTB/Snap and Limited Tackles/Downs System.

Limited tackles seems to coincide with Australia wrestling control of the game away from England. We haven't lost a major tournament to England since 1974.

 

[flippikat]

I don't see an issue with the team being branded the North Sydney Sea Eagles, red and black. It could be billed as a foundation club from 1908 and split its games between Gosford and SFS.

North Sydney, North Shore, or North Harbour.. either of those would do. Using the Sea Eagle as a logo & Red and black as colours makes sense too.

If we're gonna keep tradition, it starts with the foundation clubs. Key to that (IMO) is the jerseys.

So having Souths in red & green, Easts/Roosters (relocated to Adelaide) in tri-colours, Norths in red & black (maybe with a white & maroon away strip?), and Wests Tigers in an orange/black home & black/white away makes a lot of sense.

That way, the foundation clubs' colours are preserved, and stay active despite mergers & relocation.

 

[MugaB]

North Sydney, North Shore, or North Harbour.. either of those would do. Using the Sea Eagle as a logo & Red and black as colours makes sense too.

If we're gonna keep tradition, it starts with the foundation clubs. Key to that (IMO) is the jerseys.

So having Souths in red & green, Easts/Roosters (relocated to Adelaide) in tri-colours, Norths in red & black (maybe with a white & maroon away strip?), and Wests Tigers in an orange/black home & black/white away makes a lot of sense.

That way, the foundation clubs' colours are preserved, and stay active despite mergers & relocation.

Will never happen, either they stay and whither back to reserve grade, or relocate to NZ or somewhere else, but no one is merging, absolutely no one, that ship has sailed long ago, the only reason any club will or won't exist will be dependent on any future rules set out by the ARLC to conform to certain "criteria" like stadium suitability, promotions in local district, and viability of the club itself. As they all get the 13mil to pay 1st grade etc, they should be able to be sustainable under certain rules

 

[reanimate]

Could there be an option for Manly to encompass the entire harbour to Gosford area, almost bring back the “Northern Sea Eagles” but in traditional Manly colours? Have the club sincerely engage the northern suburbs and Central Coast? Play a good wad of games at Gosford, a handful at Manly and one or two at NSO and base themselves at Brookvale? (Eg 5 games Gosford, 5 games Brookvale, 1 game NSO)??

Would the larger community (ie more of the North’s and CC) embrace this if it were done right? Also, would Manly supporters be more inclined to travel north than they are to go to Moore Park or Homebush? I’d love to hear from locals or someone that’s has been a part of these communities especially as I have no idea....

To me, this would be righting a wrong from 20 years ago, future proofing an existing club, expanding the game in logical, meaningful ways to no detriment of anyone existing and ensuring any additional teams go to areas that genuinely grow the game. I know Bears fans probably won’t be on board being rightfully jaded, but could it happen?

I'm not sure about the Central Coast, other than as a possible 2-3 games a year split with Northern Sydney, but Manly covering and controlling both the Northern Beaches and the North Shore is the most blindingly obvious thing that needs to happen when it comes to RL in Sydney. Regardless of how you feel about Manly, the Bears as an entity just need to go, there is no good reason for them to exist anymore. No other former first grade side (that isn't part of a current merger or other joint venture) has been allowed to formally control territory in Sydney like the Bears have- Newtown's former territory is now mostly administered by Souths.

If the Bears do come back in some form, it isn't going to be in Sydney, their NSWRL district needs to be carved up and handed over to current NRL teams. The damage that this ridiculous arrangement has done to RL in Sydney can't be understated.

 

[toomuchsoup]

That is just your view of it. I don't agree.
I get no excitement out of watching a big forward running at a halfback. I would love it if halves were just there on the ability to attack, we would end up with a much more exciting game.
I also have no problem with goal kickers being specialists like in american football.

“I get no excitement out of watching a big forward running at a halfback”

So you don’t like Rugby League?

 

[T-Boon]

I think the Panthers should rename to Western Panthers and move to Bankwest. Much better location and obviouly stadium.