Central Coast Bears NRL Bid.

[Santino Patane]

My issue with this is Brookvale Oval. It's not fit for NRL games. If we want to attract big companies to invest in our game then we need to be playing at 21st century stadia.

I don't see an issue with the team being branded the North Sydney Sea Eagles, red and black. It could be billed as a foundation club from 1908 and split its games between Gosford and SFS.

I honestly agree about Brookvale. This train of thought of mine is from the fact the NRL have stated they are committed to all clubs in Sydney as they are, and my suggested approach could be a way to slowly get to where we need to go.

Pretend my idea goes ahead, I could see in the medium term to long term(10+ years) Brookvale slowly being dropped as a game location, and more to a home base. I would still keep them maroon and white, as it is a pill of change being forced on Manly supporters, plus going with black and red would harken back to the Northern Eagles mess, which in my world I would see this process as a part of healing bad faith moves. Remember with this Manly looses out and the North’s districts/CC gain. Making a smaller path of change will garner the least resistance.

Realistically, there’s absolutely no incentive for any club to change in Sydney atm, with the organisation openly stating they support the status quo and clubs happily only serving their own desires, no matter how short sighted. Change can only happen if it’s well sold and even better managed, and most of the time, incremental changes find the desired outcome more successfully.

 

[Santino Patane]

I'm not sure about the Central Coast, other than as a possible 2-3 games a year split with Northern Sydney, but Manly covering and controlling both the Northern Beaches and the North Shore is the most blindingly obvious thing that needs to happen when it comes to RL in Sydney. Regardless of how you feel about Manly, the Bears as an entity just need to go, there is no good reason for them to exist anymore. No other former first grade side (that isn't part of a current merger or other joint venture) has been allowed to formally control territory in Sydney like the Bears have- Newtown's former territory is now mostly administered by Souths.

If the Bears do come back in some form, it isn't going to be in Sydney, their NSWRL district needs to be carved up and handed over to current NRL teams. The damage that this ridiculous arrangement has done to RL in Sydney can't be understated.

What is it about Central Coast that you’re not sure of- their location, connection to the area, distance ect? Again, no hidden agenda here, I legitimately want to understand the area and it’s people more.

 

[reanimate]

What is it about Central Coast that you’re not sure of- their location, connection to the area, distance ect? Again, no hidden agenda here, I legitimately want to understand the area and it’s people more.

Mainly distance. The North Shore + Northern Beaches without the Central Coast is an enormous market, there's roughly 1 million people when you combine those two regions, plus they have great synergy between them. E.g. you cross from the border of the Northern Beaches to the North Shore in seconds, both sides of the Spit and Roseville bridges are highly populated (and both sides of the Mona Vale Rd divide between St Ives/Belrose/Terrey Hills to a lesser degree)- there's a natural flow of people between the two regions that is happening every day.

The split between the Central Coast and the North Shore is more pronounced. Either you have to get straight onto the freeway from Wahroonga, or you trickle through the more sparsely populated Upper North Shore suburbs like Berowra on the Pacific Highway, in either scenario you have a solid drive ahead of you and you don't encounter much in the way of highly populated areas until you hit Gosford. That natural flow between the two regions doesn't occur to the same degree as it does between the North Shore and Northern Beaches.

The Sea Eagles could cover the Central Coast too, but I think the focus should be revitalising the game in Sydney's North. A large market where a good number of those living there are wealthy and go on to work in top positions in the private sector and government is a market that the NRL should be spending a lot more time thinking about and trying to address.

 

[toomuchsoup]

I'm not talking about the 6-again rule, but the 6 tackle rule that was introduced in the 60s or 70s to replace the old unlimited tackles system. Maybe I should have called it limited tackles. This rule was based on the downs system used in gridiron. Since then we've created the 40/20 rule in 97 and the 20/40 rule last year as a means of getting a new set of tackles.

Maybe the ARLC could make it so if the attacking team puts in a kick that travels 10 metres or more forward and is caught on the full by one of their players, then they get a brand new set of tackles. It'll make it more of a contest and add new skills and strategies to the game.

I’m sure many would say that a 10m kick rule would be leaning towards AFL and is against the tradition of rugby league, but that would actually be entertaining as f**k

 

[MugaB]

I think the Panthers should rename to Western Panthers and move to Bankwest. Much better location and obviouly stadium.

Gezus christ man, fk off, we have our own stadium 30 mins away from parramatta, and 60 mins from the sfs, we really aren't part of sydney, we are fully outskirts, stop with this ridiculous notion that we need to be merged or near parramatta, our most annoying rival....
I always find the knobs who dont live in sydney are the ones with dumb merger or relocale ideas

 

[MugaB]

Mainly distance. The North Shore + Northern Beaches without the Central Coast is an enormous market, there's roughly 1 million people when you combine those two regions, plus they have great synergy between them. E.g. you cross from the border of the Northern Beaches to the North Shore in seconds, both sides of the Spit and Roseville bridges are highly populated (and both sides of the Mona Vale Rd divide between St Ives/Belrose/Terrey Hills to a lesser degree)- there's a natural flow of people between the two regions that is happening every day.

The split between the Central Coast and the North Shore is more pronounced. Either you have to get straight onto the freeway from Wahroonga, or you trickle through the more sparsely populated Upper North Shore suburbs like Berowra on the Pacific Highway, in either scenario you have a solid drive ahead of you and you don't encounter much in the way of highly populated areas until you hit Gosford. That natural flow between the two regions doesn't occur to the same degree as it does between the North Shore and Northern Beaches.

The Sea Eagles could cover the Central Coast too, but I think the focus should be revitalising the game in Sydney's North. A large market where a good number of those living there are wealthy and go on to work in top positions in the private sector and government is a market that the NRL should be spending a lot more time thinking about and trying to address.

Another reason why i brought up a new stadium in and around Northbridge, with both Manly as home base team, and norths as the nsw cup side using it, aswell as the odd roosters and a-league games, although now that SFS is almost built, its probably too close and area to the city build a new stadium, and might have to be further north, like Forrestville, or East Killara somewhere around there, trains are at killara, and its easy access by car from northern beaches via the Roseville Chase, could even set up free buses from brookvale oval, with every ticket holder or manly jersey, ....those game buses are generally free anyway

 

[T-Boon]

Gezus christ man, fk off, we have our own stadium 30 mins away from parramatta, and 60 mins from the sfs, we really aren't part of sydney, we are fully outskirts, stop with this ridiculous notion that we need to be merged or near parramatta, our most annoying rival....
I always find the knobs who dont live in sydney are the ones with dumb merger or relocale ideas

They could play 3 small games a year at Penrith.
Western Panthers could almost take over the west. Penrith is in a bad location with nothing west of it population wise.

 

[MugaB]

They could play 3 small games a year at Penrith.
Western Panthers could almost take over the west. Penrith is in a bad location with nothing west of it population wise.

Its called the "central west tablelands" idiot, there's a massive combined population of country towns, bathurst, katoomba, lithgow, orange, wellington, dubbo, and a trainline that runs straight thru those towns, so stop thinking about dots on a map, there is stacks of junior reps that are getting drafted into the penrith academy, guys like Isiah Yeo, Matt Burton, Charlie Stains, Brent Naden, Wayde Egan, even brisbanes Kotoni Staggs came from wellington,

The panthers have a huge catchment in and around penrith too, way larger than parramatta, and also there's already 3 clubs playing at bankwest eels, tigers, dogs.
We will play at bankwest only for the semi finals matches, but have already preferred homebush.
You keep thinking stufid ideas that serve no purpose, we already are huge in population, players and catchment, all that is l eft is an upgrade on the facilities at the stadium, of which the government and ARLC have already signed off on

 

[T-Boon]

Its called the "central west tablelands" idiot, there's a massive combined population of country towns, bathurst, katoomba, lithgow, orange, wellington, dubbo, and a trainline that runs straight thru those towns, so stop thinking about dots on a map, there is stacks of junior reps that are getting drafted into the penrith academy, guys like Isiah Yeo, Matt Burton, Charlie Stains, Brent Naden, Wayde Egan, even brisbanes Kotoni Staggs came from wellington,

The panthers have a huge catchment in and around penrith too, way larger than parramatta, and also there's already 3 clubs playing at bankwest eels, tigers, dogs.
We will play at bankwest only for the semi finals matches, but have already preferred homebush.
You keep thinking stufid ideas that serve no purpose, we already are huge in population, players and catchment, all that is l eft is an upgrade on the facilities at the stadium, of which the government and ARLC have already signed off on

you are getting too emotional.

 

[MugaB]

you are getting too emotional.

And you post dumb comments

 

[T-Boon]

And you post dumb comments

Stop crying you big baby. The price all Sydney teams and their fans pay for drawing crap crowds that embarress the code is their knecks are on the chopping block permanently and they should all have to justify their place in the game.

 

[LeagueXIII]

They could play 3 small games a year at Penrith.
Western Panthers could almost take over the west. Penrith is in a bad location with nothing west of it population wise.

How will it be positioned in 20 years....things change.

 

[LeagueXIII]

you are getting too emotional.

I would say he's being logical.

 

[MugaB]

Stop crying you big baby. The price all Sydney teams and their fans pay for drawing crap crowds that embarress the code is their knecks are on the chopping block permanently and they should all have to justify their place in the game.

No crying, youre just an idiot if you think any sydney based club, should move to an area 30mins away from the centre of their catchment, its almost as funny cowboys playing the bulk of their games in cairns or mackay, when they are based in townsville or Newcastle basing themselves in Gosford, hence why you're an idiot.
Everytime there is talk of sydney consolidation, T-Boon comes to rescue with a pawwa-penrith super club merger, which is as good as a Roosters/Rabbitohs one or a manly/bears one, it would never work.


As for Sydney clubs (who btw are the clubs who are the backbone and reason the comp exists) it has been already stated by the ARLC that no club will be dropped or moved on, all clubs interstate, overseas and nsw based are the brand, only those who don't have a team in their area seem to whinge about sydney having too many teams or crowd figures, or wasting a licence, but licences are just a piece of paper, we could hand them out to every city in the south pacific if they wanted to

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Gezus christ man, fk off, we have our own stadium 30 mins away from parramatta, and 60 mins from the sfs, we really aren't part of sydney, we are fully outskirts, stop with this ridiculous notion that we need to be merged or near parramatta, our most annoying rival....
I always find the knobs who dont live in sydney are the ones with dumb merger or relocale ideas

Penrith has the possibility to become one of the game's bigger clubs. Its population is going to grow and is far enough away from the Sydney CBD to become what Parramatta is today. I think Penrith and Campbelltown are definitely the 2 areas the NRL should really target. 30k boutique stadiums in each region would set the game up nicely for the future.

As for Sydney clubs (who btw are the clubs who are the backbone and reason the comp exists) it has been already stated by the ARLC that no club will be dropped or moved on, all clubs interstate, overseas and nsw based are the brand, only those who don't have a team in their area seem to whinge about sydney having too many teams or crowd figures, or wasting a licence, but licences are just a piece of paper, we could hand them out to every city in the south pacific if they wanted to

There is some truth to this, but it's not entirely correct. You cannot say that every Sydney club is as important to the game as the Brisbane Broncos or Melbourne Storm. Even the North Queensland Cowboys are more watched around the country than the Sydney clubs. I am not saying Sydney isn't important, but its supply of clubs is greater than the demand.



I know I am not from Sydney, but you cannot deny the data on which clubs draw the highest ratings. They tell a tale of which clubs matter and which ones are just making up the numbers. It's no surprise that St George and Sutherland, who have a combined population of 500k in Southern Sydney, struggle to draw massive ratings on TV for the Dragons and Sharks. St George does have the potential to grow its base as it includes 300k from the Illawarra region, but it's still a small number compared to Brisbane and Melbourne while they've got the Sharks to contend with for corporate support. You won't convince me that both clubs are necessary, or even sustainable, when clubs like Cowboys, Knights, Broncos, Storm, Raiders and even Titans have so much more room for growth in areas they have all to themselves. What you'll see in the long term is both clubs will fall behind away from the field, which will lead to less success on it.

 

[T-Boon]

Everytime there is talk of sydney consolidation, T-Boon comes to rescue with a pawwa-penrith super club merger,

What? I have never suggested that. That idea is rupgnant.
In fact I am totally against mergers. Relocations I am down with.

 

[The Axe of Druss]

This is true and would send shivers down the spine of fans that cant be open minded about rule changes but if you can think outside the square about the rules society becoming more shy about full contact sport is not necessarily the big future disaster for NRL compared to AFL and soccer.
RL could easily (and 100% should) create positions on the field for players who dont have to tackle and also dont even have to get tackled. Those positions exist in American Football and there are no reasons why they cant exist in RL.
Kicker, punter, QB (for the most part). Brady hardly ever has body contact unless something goes wrong.

Easily the dumbest thing posted on LU in a long time

Congrats

 

[The Axe of Druss]

Its a forum, and speaking your mind is allowed, and what you said was pretty stufid, so accept that others see the game as its played by everyone equally, and as the game will evolve but what it won't do is have specific specialist subs that cannot get tackled, its what makes the speedy hooker dangerous, or the side stepping wingers look so good, and 6-again rule was not an american influenced idea btw, @GROTD, not sure we have stoppages years ago that would even relate to the 4 hour nitpicking NFL is.

If anything (and this will make people possibly cringe) it would be a fairer game if the NRLW and NRL were the same game, not two seperate games based on gender... but there are so many issues that would arise, from not getting picked by the coach to a woman running over the best player on the opposition team and the embarrassment, which all are silly but media worthy scoops that would make the league stand out apart from the other codes of the world.
Maybe create a minimum of 2 players on field must be of different gender, as such you'd have 4 women on any given team playing 1st grade, getting hit, tackling, attacking as the men do, it would change the fabric of the game somewhat, but realistically it shouldn't, as it could be the same as making sure you have an interchange bench with 2 props, a 2nd rower and utility for the backs....
Having said that ive seen some of the womens games and they can crunch you very easily, and looking at guys like luke keary, he is pretty scrawny, a can see kezie apps absolutely demolish him

I apologise, this is even dumber

 

[Vee]

Its called the "central west tablelands" idiot, there's a massive combined population of country towns, bathurst, katoomba, lithgow, orange, wellington, dubbo, and a trainline that runs straight thru those towns, so stop thinking about dots on a map, there is stacks of junior reps that are getting drafted into the penrith academy, guys like Isiah Yeo, Matt Burton, Charlie Stains, Brent Naden, Wayde Egan, even brisbanes Kotoni Staggs came from wellington,

The panthers have a huge catchment in and around penrith too, way larger than parramatta, and also there's already 3 clubs playing at bankwest eels, tigers, dogs.
We will play at bankwest only for the semi finals matches, but have already preferred homebush.
You keep thinking stufid ideas that serve no purpose, we already are huge in population, players and catchment, all that is l eft is an upgrade on the facilities at the stadium, of which the government and ARLC have already signed off on

If you keep feeding him, he'll never leave.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

I don't see why markers cannot become a specialist position. I am not saying they become a defence only position that gets subbed off as soon as a team gets possession, but they could become the RL equivalent to flankers in RU. An RU flanker has to travel from ruck to ruck to clean out, which is a lot of distance to travel. For it to work in RL then tackles would probably involve 3 or 4 defenders, with the markers peeling off first to get in position, then the other defender or 2 peeling off. This would give the markers more time to put pressure on the 1st receiver, which hopefully would lead to less one pass off the ruck hit-ups and the outside backs getting more ball.