Central Coast Bears NRL Bid.

[T-Boon]

Force were the only RU team in Perth. Sydney has 9 RL teams.

Why are you against Manly becoming the North Sydney Sea Eagles or Northern Sydney Sea Eagles?

Having North Sydney in its name doesn't make it the Bears. It can still be 100% owned by the Sea Eagles and based out of Brookvale.

the single biggest issue with the sea eagles is the location of their ground. It has to change to north Sydney.

 

[MugaB]

the single biggest issue with the sea eagles is the location of their ground. It has to change to north Sydney.

Whens the last time youve been to brooky?

 

[T-Boon]

Many more away fans would travel to north Sydney as it is easy to get to. North Sydney is closer to get to for a lot more people. Brookvale is a nightmare for anyone not within 2kms.

 

[T-Boon]

Whens the last time youve been to brooky?

I think I've been twice. Last time was maybe 15 years ago.

 

[ReddFelon]

Force were the only RU team in Perth. Sydney has 9 RL teams.

Why are you against Manly becoming the North Sydney Sea Eagles or Northern Sydney Sea Eagles?

Having North Sydney in its name doesn't make it the Bears. It can still be 100% owned by the Sea Eagles and based out of Brookvale.

Because it's been proven to not work. When the Dogs became the Sydney Bulldogs and later just Bulldogs they didn't suddenly pick up a ton of new fans. Similarly North Melbourne didn't see a spike in support when they spent a decade as Kangaroos.

Manly is already an established and recognised entity. The maroon and white jersey, the Sea Eagle and the name Manly are all easily identifiable with them.

The team is pretty much exclusively called Manly. Same as how the big chant at Roosters games is Easts. These club identities have been established over nearly a century or more.

Plus North Sydney fans won't follow them. They still perceive Manly as being the reason the Bears are gone.

 

[reanimate]

Why would a person who lives north of the harbour, but not on the Northern Beaches, want to support a team named after a tiny suburb it has no affiliation with?

I wouldn't support them.

St George should change their name to Southern Sydney Dragons. It would make them far more lucrative to sponsors.

North Sydney Sea Eagles, or even Northern Sydney Sea Eagles, will appeal more to international companies and interstate fans.

Why do people from Milwaukee follow the Green Bay Packers? Why do people from places like Westmead follow Parramatta? Parramatta itself only has around 25k people living there, surely they should change their name to the Western Sydney Eels?

Manly is the de facto capital of the Northern Beaches and its most recognisable suburb, beach and brand. ‘Manly’ is a substitute for the Northern Beaches in a lot of people’s minds and is also the most recognisable element of the football brand to a lot of people, that’s why it should remain in some form in any change to the Sea Eagles name and branding.

 

[MugaB]

I think I've been twice. Last time was maybe 15 years ago.

Well, its still a shíthole! Nothin's changed, and nothing will change! So im not sure why you think manly ill become the "North anything"
They should just move to Gosford, and rename the brand Manly-CC Eagles
Play 8 games at CC, 4 at brooky, that solves them, instant catchment, no issues since they were already there a few decades ago, as the failed merger Northern Eagles.
Leave the North Shore to the Fücking politis cheats, coz they got no catchment, maybe they get a few 1000 more fans, and they already have the bears feeding them, just add "North" to those côck smoking Sydney Roosters, play the odd 1-2 games at NSO for shíts and giggles against Manly-CC

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Then why bother with just a name change, it doesn't solve the catchment issue, nor will it get people who live in the north shore or hornsby area interested in the sea eagles

If that's the case then get rid of the Bears and Sea Eagles then create a new team that represents the entire area. Or better still, have Bears and Sea Eagles both play in the NSW Cup and give Manly's NRL licence to the Pirates. Roosters can absorb the North Shore and Northern Beaches. There's never going to be a relocation of Roosters to Adelaide.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Because it's been proven to not work. When the Dogs became the Sydney Bulldogs and later just Bulldogs they didn't suddenly pick up a ton of new fans. Similarly North Melbourne didn't see a spike in support when they spent a decade as Kangaroos.

Manly is already an established and recognised entity. The maroon and white jersey, the Sea Eagle and the name Manly are all easily identifiable with them.

The team is pretty much exclusively called Manly. Same as how the big chant at Roosters games is Easts. These club identities have been established over nearly a century or more.

Plus North Sydney fans won't follow them. They still perceive Manly as being the reason the Bears are gone.

Manly doesn't have any fans.



The fact you keep saying Bears fans won't support Manly proves they're not a team for everyone north of the harbour. Their catchment is tiny and so is their fanbase. Getting rid of them won't hurt the game. It's insane to waste a licence on this small shit club while large metro areas have no representation

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Well, its still a shíthole! Nothin's changed, and nothing will change! So im not sure why you think manly ill become the "North anything"
They should just move to Gosford, and rename the brand Manly-CC Eagles
Play 8 games at CC, 4 at brooky, that solves them, instant catchment, no issues since they were already there a few decades ago, as the failed merger Northern Eagles.
Leave the North Shore to the Fücking politis cheats, coz they got no catchment, maybe they get a few 1000 more fans, and they already have the bears feeding them, just add "North" to those côck smoking Sydney Roosters, play the odd 1-2 games at NSO for shíts and giggles against Manly-CC

No. Just no. Northern Sydney doesn't need an NRL team. The Roosters can become the team for kids from the North Shore and Northern Beaches. Let Manly and North Sydney battle it out in the NSW Cup.

Roosters can take a few games to Gosford.

The fact is regional NSW isn't profitable to the NRL like regional Queensland. The poor ratings for the Knights prove it.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Why do people from Milwaukee follow the Green Bay Packers? Why do people from places like Westmead follow Parramatta? Parramatta itself only has around 25k people living there, surely they should change their name to the Western Sydney Eels?

Manly is the de facto capital of the Northern Beaches and its most recognisable suburb, beach and brand. ‘Manly’ is a substitute for the Northern Beaches in a lot of people’s minds and is also the most recognisable element of the football brand to a lot of people, that’s why it should remain in some form in any change to the Sea Eagles name and branding.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/City_of_Parramatta


225k

The City of Parramatta is who the Eels represent.

If you're going to have the Eels then Logan deserves a team of its own.

Logan has 330k people and produces more RL players.

 

[Perth Red]

Because it's been proven to not work. When the Dogs became the Sydney Bulldogs and later just Bulldogs they didn't suddenly pick up a ton of new fans. Similarly North Melbourne didn't see a spike in support when they spent a decade as Kangaroos.

Manly is already an established and recognised entity. The maroon and white jersey, the Sea Eagle and the name Manly are all easily identifiable with them.

The team is pretty much exclusively called Manly. Same as how the big chant at Roosters games is Easts. These club identities have been established over nearly a century or more.

Plus North Sydney fans won't follow them. They still perceive Manly as being the reason the Bears are gone.

problem is it doesn’t address the large gap in Sydney and gosford coverage in the north, manly as a stand alone brand doesn’t have the population to grow its business and not every Sydney suburb can have a club. Those examples you mentioned had limited success with brand change as all they did was change their name, you need to do a lot more than that to win hearts and minds. The goal isn’t to convert rusted on ex bears fans to a northern Sydney club, it’s to make sure the ten year olds choose that NRL over a union or afl club.

ideally you’d drop manly but keep the sea Eagles and colours as a respect to the past. New 25k stadium in northern Sydney with good transport links. Change to Northern Seaeagles and have bears and a manly at nsw cup and jnr level feeding into it, 9 games at new stadium and 3 in gosford. Sorted.

 

[T-Boon]

I am actually starting to like the idea of a promotion and relegation system. If it kills off weak clubs good.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

problem is it doesn’t address the large gap in Sydney and gosford coverage in the north, manly as a stand alone brand doesn’t have the population to grow its business and not every Sydney suburb can have a club. Those examples you mentioned had limited success with brand change as all they did was change their name, you need to do a lot more than that to win hearts and minds. The goal isn’t to convert rusted on ex bears fans to a northern Sydney club, it’s to make sure the ten year olds choose that NRL over a union or afl club.

ideally you’d drop manly but keep the sea Eagles and colours as a respect to the past. New 25k stadium in northern Sydney with good transport links. Change to Northern Seaeagles and have bears and a manly at nsw cup and jnr level feeding into it, 9 games at new stadium and 3 in gosford. Sorted.

You're making too much sense. The NRL is an asylum run by lunatics. They always take the crazy option.

 

[reanimate]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/City_of_Parramatta


225k

The City of Parramatta is who the Eels represent.

If you're going to have the Eels then Logan deserves a team of its own.

Logan has 330k people and produces more RL players.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Beaches_Council

~270k

The Northern Beaches LGA is represented by Manly. If you ended the existence of the North Sydney district and officially made it part of the Sea Eagles district, you’d also have the populations of the Mosman LGA, North Sydney LGA, Willoughby LGA, Lane Cove LGA, Ku-rin-gai LGA and Hornsby LGAs to add to that.

 

[Perth Red]

You're making too much sense. The NRL is an asylum run by lunatics. They always take the crazy option.

tbh they havent really take any option, crazy or not. Since the demise of the northern Eagles it seems the nrl has been quite happy to just let things be as is for twenty years. Strategic thinking isn’t the nrls strong point!

 

[toomuchsoup]

With Manchester Utd buying the Mariners and moving them to Brookvale maybe it's time to send the Sea Eagles to Gosford.

Playing at Central Coast Stadium will be a massive upgrade to Brookvale.

Central Coast Sea Eagles. That's a bloody good brand for our game.

Central Coast Sea Eagles does have a good ring to it.

But then who will take over north Sydney? As much as I’d love the North Sydney Bears to come back, it will never happen. But there has to be a team representing the North of Sydney. Manly are doing a disservice to themselves and the game by not taking advantage of the opportunity they have to take over all of North Sydney, Hornsby, Chatswood etc.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Beaches_Council

~270k

The Northern Beaches LGA is represented by Manly. If you ended the existence of the North Sydney district and officially made it part of the Sea Eagles district, you’d also have the populations of the Mosman LGA, North Sydney LGA, Willoughby LGA, Lane Cove LGA, Ku-rin-gai LGA and Hornsby LGAs to add to that.

Then call them the Northern Sea Eagles and tell the old timers who'll whinge about to build a bridge and get over it. Once they've learnt how to traverse over that bridge they'll be ready to cross the Sydney Harbour Bridge to watch the team play at the SFS.

 

[reanimate]

problem is it doesn’t address the large gap in Sydney and gosford coverage in the north, manly as a stand alone brand doesn’t have the population to grow its business and not every Sydney suburb can have a club. Those examples you mentioned had limited success with brand change as all they did was change their name, you need to do a lot more than that to win hearts and minds. The goal isn’t to convert rusted on ex bears fans to a northern Sydney club, it’s to make sure the ten year olds choose that NRL over a union or afl club.

ideally you’d drop manly but keep the sea Eagles and colours as a respect to the past. New 25k stadium in northern Sydney with good transport links. Change to Northern Seaeagles and have bears and a manly at nsw cup and jnr level feeding into it, 9 games at new stadium and 3 in gosford. Sorted.

Or you go the St George route and co-brand it. It’s worked fine for them and it kept the Saints name and brand alive. I’m no St George fan, but I’m glad they went that route over some bland Southern Dragons name. Sure, they haven’t got everything right with the joint venture, but this wouldn’t be a joint venture in this case.

And you’re right, the goal isn’t to win over rusted on ex-Bears fans, it’s to get a current NRL club front and centre in kids’ minds on the North Shore. The name etc is secondary to that.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Central Coast Sea Eagles does have a good ring to it.

But then who will take over north Sydney? As much as I’d love the North Sydney Bears to come back, it will never happen. But there has to be a team representing the North of Sydney. Manly are doing a disservice to themselves and the game by not taking advantage of the opportunity they have to take over all of North Sydney, Hornsby, Chatswood etc.

Roosters could take over the area. If the Swans and Waratahs are able to draw active fans from the area then there's no reason the Roosters can't do the same.