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Central Coast Bears - Stand Aside

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Perth Red

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“Our objective was 5,000 members by 31 March, 2011, which is the date we will present our bid document to the NRL for inclusion in the competition in 2013.


won't it be a bit strange making a submission before a call for expansion is made by the NRL?
 

Knightmare

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I agree with a lot of what you say - but this comment is simply not true.

When teh bids were orginally compared, the Titans didn't have anything - no name, no money, no stadium. The CC Bears had all of this plus funding from Singleton and his contacts.

What the CC Bears didnt have was the schmooze factor - which Searle does so well PLUS the dinosaur mate factor - Paul Broughton.

Winning an expansion bid in the NRL is equivalent to winning a FIFA World Cup bid - just less transparent.


I won't be worried until 9 Qld reports that the Ipswich bid team have been spied on a Brisbane hotel balcony embracing members of the NRL board...
 

andrew057

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“Our objective was 5,000 members by 31 March, 2011, which is the date we will present our bid document to the NRL for inclusion in the competition in 2013.


won't it be a bit strange making a submission before a call for expansion is made by the NRL?

Why would it? As mentioned theyve been in regular communication with the NRL, im sure that both sides have approved the date.
 

BDGS

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"we was robbed!"

Sounds like the typical Bears fan... bad grammar and all.

Looks who's talking.

“Our objective was 5,000 members by 31 March, 2011, which is the date we will present our bid document to the NRL for inclusion in the competition in 2013.


won't it be a bit strange making a submission before a call for expansion is made by the NRL?

Strange or proactive?

Why would it? As mentioned theyve been in regular communication with the NRL, im sure that both sides have approved the date.

They have.
 

Beowulf

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Why would it? As mentioned theyve been in regular communication with the NRL, im sure that both sides have approved the date.

Correct - when the Bears started this whole expansion debate a few years ago, no one, not even the NRL, wanted to know. The bid team simply persisted and told the NRL they wouldn't give up. Then WA and CQLD got wind of a chance. Eventually the NRL came around early last year, and the Clubs have shifted to being at least neutral re expansion!

The timetable is endorsed and done in conjunction with the NRL. By then all the elements of the bid will be concrete and the only difference by late July (when they have to make a decision on 2013) will be the membership number, which will be communicated regularly to the NRL. The sooner a final bid is delivered, the more fine tweaking of numbers re a bid can be done in conjunction with the NRL (particularly the CFO) in the months leading up to July, so come decision time they have zero questions marks about the bid they are deciding on. The NRL doesn't like question marks, only certainty.
 

dgsfan

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Boring. This thread has turned into a giant joke. Bears fans fighting with one another, supporters spewing out baseless information about the bid, and just a general lack of intelligence from the pro-Bear camp.
 

BunniesMan

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Boring. This thread has turned into a giant joke. Bears fans fighting with one another, supporters spewing out baseless information about the bid, and just a general lack of intelligence from the pro-Bear camp.
You're free to leave. I'm not aware of anyone tying you up and forcing you to look at this thread. We'd prefer smarter people to hang out here and anyone who thinks the Bears shouldn't be the first team picked for 2013 isn't very smart (psst...that means you).
 

adamkungl

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Boring. This thread has turned into a giant joke. Bears fans fighting with one another, supporters spewing out baseless information about the bid, and just a general lack of intelligence from the pro-Bear camp.

Don't worry champ, just a few months and we can put this Ipswich nonsense to bed...
 

BDGS

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Boring. This thread has turned into a giant joke. Bears fans fighting with one another, supporters spewing out baseless information about the bid, and just a general lack of intelligence from the pro-Bear camp.

There are no Bears fans fighting with other Bears fans, there are a core number of solid posters talking facts about the bids and trolls who refuse to see the truth.

But in a few months when the announcement is made i'll be getting ready to listen to your tears and moaning.

Todays news is massive, something the NRL set, Something that the people of the Central Coast has beaten before the the final siren, anything else is just looking up from here. Things for the Central Coast NRL bid could not be better, there is nothing stopping them from coming into the competition.
 
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1 Eyed TEZZA

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There are no Bears fans fighting with other Bears fans, there are a core number of solid posters talking facts about the bids and trolls who refuse to see the truth.

But in a few months when the announcement is made i'll be getting ready to listen to your tears and moaning.

Todays news is massive, something the NRL set, Something that the people of the Central Coast has beaten before the the final siren, anything else is just looking up from here. Things for the Central Coast NRL bid could not be better, there is nothing stopping them from coming into the competition.

What happened today?
 

Bro Bear

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Well doene CC Bears on passong the 5000 members. The NRL wants proof we want a team - well here is some proof plus the sponsorship, stadium, juniors and a solid bid.
 

Red&BlackBear

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Boring. This thread has turned into a giant joke. Bears fans fighting with one another, supporters spewing out baseless information about the bid, and just a general lack of intelligence from the pro-Bear camp.

Go jump into the Brisbane river.
 

Beowulf

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http://www.theroar.com.au/2011/01/18/huge-milestone-for-the-central-coast-bears/

Huge milestone met for the Central Coast Bears

In a massive tick for the Central Coast Bears NRL license bid, the target of 5000 financial members, submitted to an initially sceptical administration, has been reached months ahead of schedule.
With a decision on expansion six months away, Central Coast residents can now look forward with optimism towards a positive outcome. The soon-to-be-formed Independent Commission will be presented with a very strong case for inclusion in the NRL for 2013 on March 31.
For those unfamiliar, I’ve outlined a profile on the Central Coast Bears’ bid:
Why the Bears?
It’s very simple: due to limited commercial infrastructure on the Central Coast and population size, there is insufficient sponsorship potential to sustain an NRL side that will require at least $15 million (in 2010 dollars) per year.
To secure the funding to have a team, the Central Coast must leverage the old North Sydney brand and colours to tap into the huge corporate opportunities available in northern Sydney – primarily North Sydney and North Ryde.
This flows through into merchandise sales and memberships – all potentially far higher with an historic brand with generational and national attachment.
Historical linkages between the areas make the connection logical (a la St George and Illawarra), and the Bears in their former life as North Sydney began investigating moves to relocate to the Central Coast in 1991. In 1997, members voted to change the name to the Central Coast Bears and build a stadium at Gosford with the name ‘BEARS’ emblazoned on the seats.
The Bears still have playing rights for another dozen years at Gosford, hence no other NRL side can move there. In a nutshell, it’s the Bears or no team for the Central Coast.
The reasons corporations want the Bears is fourfold:
1. They will have access to over 1.1 million people (20 per cent of NSW – this percentage will increase as the Central Coast expands).
2. They link their product to a foundation club which has a proud tradition of decency and fair play.
3. They get to be part of a unique sporting comeback story.
4. Red and black are internationally recognised by marketing experts as the most effective of sporting power colours for merchandising.
The other reason it must be the Central Coast Bears is that the NRL find the concept of re-engaging with northern Sydney, so cruelly excluded 11 years ago, very attractive.
David Gallop has acknowledged the game lost over 40,000 fans and this franchise can grow the games revenues by re-engaging this community.
The north shore, for historical reasons, has not warmed to the Sea Eagles attempts to cover the area; neither has the Central Coast following the hasty disengagement from the Central Coast by Manly after the Northern Eagles debacle.
Corporate sponsorship alone, however, is insufficient. Diversity in revenue sourcing is the key. Financial memberships are vital in creating an attachment to a team to sustain it through the inevitable lean times all teams face.
Support of League’s Clubs is also required, and there are nearly a dozen in the catchment area of Milsons Point to Lake Munmorah. Private equity capital also needs to be sourced, with community ownership one option.
Are there too many NSW teams already?
Not if there is a region of sufficient size that can demonstrate that it can add more value to the game by its admission than by its exclusion. The Central Coast team, if private equity can be sourced, will not be a drain on any other club finances and the companies wanting to associate with the Bears will provide bargaining power for the NRL in future TV dealmaking, benefitting all existing clubs.
The sponsors are being attracted to the Bears from outside the game, not diverted from an existing club to a new club.
The Central Coast is ready to go now. A new TV deal comes into effect in 2013. An extra game will enhance the TV revenue deal attainable if another bid team is also deemed ready to enter in 2013.
Financial pressures on NSW clubs will ease with savings achieved through the creation of an Independent Commission, increased TV rights deals plus reduced State poker machine taxes in the event of a State Coalition victory in March.
The stars will never align better for a Central Coast expansion.
How is the bid going?
Thanks to major sponsors such as Mortgage House and Fortunity, corporate sponsorship is secure and underwritten to the tune of $10 million. Further major signings will be revealed in the months ahead – the calibre of these partners will astound all concerned.
On January 11, Barry O’Farrell announced a Coalition Government would set aside land at Mt Penang to allow the Bears to establish a facility to rival the Gold Coast Titans’ Centre of Excellence, with state-of-the-art offices and training facilities. This will be a major lure in enticing elite ARL players to play for the team.
The NSW Labor Party have also contributed funds for the bid presentation and both sides of politics at a Federal level fully support the bid.
As of this week, the Bears have attained a major milestone of 5,000 financial members, already surpassing three NRL teams and the likelihood that more will be overtaken prior to bid presentation.
Almost 60 of these memberships are foundation memberships at a cost of over $5000 each.
Of critical importance to the bids success is the fact that over 3,000 have joined from the Central Coast, and in recent months the figure is running around 3-1 Central Coast memberships over northern Sydney residents. In other words, the Central Coast is gripping the Bears.
This can be attributed to years of work in the community by fans and volunteers, backed by the icons that are Greg Florimo and David Farleigh, both admired and well respected local residents.
This will not stop after a licence has been granted, as a regional community like the Central Coast will only support those that engage the community. Staff work at Erina, almost all live on the Coast (as do most of the volunteers) and almost all membership drives are occurring on the Coast.
A membership tally of 20,000 by 2013 kickoff, with over 15,000 from the Coast, is not inconceivable.
Even more crucial has been the connection with young fans, who currently make up the fastest growing segment of the membership demographic through an affordable ‘Cubs’ membership program.
These kids are the future of the Central Coast Bears and the franchise needs the children on the coast to become Bears fans – their parents and grandparents are welcome, but are far less important! Facebook is another gauge of interest – currently there are over 23,300 fans – more than three NRL teams.
Merchandise sales have exceeded expectations, with well over 1,000 Foundation jerseys sold. Supporter gear sales at Best & Less have also been outstanding – all done with the blessing of the NRL.
Strategically, the Central Coast provides some great positives for the NRL:
1. They can ‘fish where the fishes are’; rewarding a heartland area by giving 1.1 million people and 23 junior teams a local club. The Central Coast is one of the fastest growing regions in NSW.
2. Re-instate a famous heritage brand with its multi-generational supporters in northern Sydney and ignite great rivalries against Manly, Newcastle and other foundation clubs.
3. Help block AFL incursions in the Pennant Hills-Berowra corridor by providing an NRL pathway to the district.
4. Introduce prestigious new corporations to the game.
5. Provides large crowds to away games, profiting existing Sydney clubs. Northern Sydney residents combined with Central Coast travelling fans will provide an estimated 5-10,000 fans to all away games in Sydney and perhaps more so to Manly and Newcastle. Large pockets of Bears fans also reside in Queensland and even NZ.
6. Offers an extra TV game if another team enters simultaneously. With so many children on the Coast, day games are virtual guaranteed sellouts. A twilight Saturday or Sunday family game would also ensure a full stadium and a new potential timeslot, featuring a brand which was the second most watched team on TV in the 1990’s.
Sourcing sufficient private equity funding to satisfy the NRL remains the final challenge – if this can be achieved before March 31, the Central Coast Bears will have met and surpassed every benchmark indicated by the administration.
David Gallop would also be mindful of the calls to put closure to the Super League War by re-instating the biggest casualty – the Central Coast Bears. An NRL competition without Central Coast involvement is akin to an AFL competition without Geelong.
A team on the Central Coast has, for at least the past 15 years, been a part of the games strategic plan. Once achieved, the game can truly move forward into new territories, not look backward.
 

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http://www.theroar.com.au/2011/01/18/huge-milestone-for-the-central-coast-bears/

Huge milestone met for the Central Coast Bears

In a massive tick for the Central Coast Bears NRL license bid, the target of 5000 financial members, submitted to an initially sceptical administration, has been reached months ahead of schedule.
With a decision on expansion six months away, Central Coast residents can now look forward with optimism towards a positive outcome. The soon-to-be-formed Independent Commission will be presented with a very strong case for inclusion in the NRL for 2013 on March 31.
For those unfamiliar, I’ve outlined a profile on the Central Coast Bears’ bid:
Why the Bears?
It’s very simple: due to limited commercial infrastructure on the Central Coast and population size, there is insufficient sponsorship potential to sustain an NRL side that will require at least $15 million (in 2010 dollars) per year.
To secure the funding to have a team, the Central Coast must leverage the old North Sydney brand and colours to tap into the huge corporate opportunities available in northern Sydney – primarily North Sydney and North Ryde.
This flows through into merchandise sales and memberships – all potentially far higher with an historic brand with generational and national attachment.
Historical linkages between the areas make the connection logical (a la St George and Illawarra), and the Bears in their former life as North Sydney began investigating moves to relocate to the Central Coast in 1991. In 1997, members voted to change the name to the Central Coast Bears and build a stadium at Gosford with the name ‘BEARS’ emblazoned on the seats.
The Bears still have playing rights for another dozen years at Gosford, hence no other NRL side can move there. In a nutshell, it’s the Bears or no team for the Central Coast.
The reasons corporations want the Bears is fourfold:
1. They will have access to over 1.1 million people (20 per cent of NSW – this percentage will increase as the Central Coast expands).
2. They link their product to a foundation club which has a proud tradition of decency and fair play.
3. They get to be part of a unique sporting comeback story.
4. Red and black are internationally recognised by marketing experts as the most effective of sporting power colours for merchandising.
The other reason it must be the Central Coast Bears is that the NRL find the concept of re-engaging with northern Sydney, so cruelly excluded 11 years ago, very attractive.
David Gallop has acknowledged the game lost over 40,000 fans and this franchise can grow the games revenues by re-engaging this community.
The north shore, for historical reasons, has not warmed to the Sea Eagles attempts to cover the area; neither has the Central Coast following the hasty disengagement from the Central Coast by Manly after the Northern Eagles debacle.
Corporate sponsorship alone, however, is insufficient. Diversity in revenue sourcing is the key. Financial memberships are vital in creating an attachment to a team to sustain it through the inevitable lean times all teams face.
Support of League’s Clubs is also required, and there are nearly a dozen in the catchment area of Milsons Point to Lake Munmorah. Private equity capital also needs to be sourced, with community ownership one option.
Are there too many NSW teams already?
Not if there is a region of sufficient size that can demonstrate that it can add more value to the game by its admission than by its exclusion. The Central Coast team, if private equity can be sourced, will not be a drain on any other club finances and the companies wanting to associate with the Bears will provide bargaining power for the NRL in future TV dealmaking, benefitting all existing clubs.
The sponsors are being attracted to the Bears from outside the game, not diverted from an existing club to a new club.
The Central Coast is ready to go now. A new TV deal comes into effect in 2013. An extra game will enhance the TV revenue deal attainable if another bid team is also deemed ready to enter in 2013.
Financial pressures on NSW clubs will ease with savings achieved through the creation of an Independent Commission, increased TV rights deals plus reduced State poker machine taxes in the event of a State Coalition victory in March.
The stars will never align better for a Central Coast expansion.
How is the bid going?
Thanks to major sponsors such as Mortgage House and Fortunity, corporate sponsorship is secure and underwritten to the tune of $10 million. Further major signings will be revealed in the months ahead – the calibre of these partners will astound all concerned.
On January 11, Barry O’Farrell announced a Coalition Government would set aside land at Mt Penang to allow the Bears to establish a facility to rival the Gold Coast Titans’ Centre of Excellence, with state-of-the-art offices and training facilities. This will be a major lure in enticing elite ARL players to play for the team.
The NSW Labor Party have also contributed funds for the bid presentation and both sides of politics at a Federal level fully support the bid.
As of this week, the Bears have attained a major milestone of 5,000 financial members, already surpassing three NRL teams and the likelihood that more will be overtaken prior to bid presentation.
Almost 60 of these memberships are foundation memberships at a cost of over $5000 each.
Of critical importance to the bids success is the fact that over 3,000 have joined from the Central Coast, and in recent months the figure is running around 3-1 Central Coast memberships over northern Sydney residents. In other words, the Central Coast is gripping the Bears.
This can be attributed to years of work in the community by fans and volunteers, backed by the icons that are Greg Florimo and David Farleigh, both admired and well respected local residents.
This will not stop after a licence has been granted, as a regional community like the Central Coast will only support those that engage the community. Staff work at Erina, almost all live on the Coast (as do most of the volunteers) and almost all membership drives are occurring on the Coast.
A membership tally of 20,000 by 2013 kickoff, with over 15,000 from the Coast, is not inconceivable.
Even more crucial has been the connection with young fans, who currently make up the fastest growing segment of the membership demographic through an affordable ‘Cubs’ membership program.
These kids are the future of the Central Coast Bears and the franchise needs the children on the coast to become Bears fans – their parents and grandparents are welcome, but are far less important! Facebook is another gauge of interest – currently there are over 23,300 fans – more than three NRL teams.
Merchandise sales have exceeded expectations, with well over 1,000 Foundation jerseys sold. Supporter gear sales at Best & Less have also been outstanding – all done with the blessing of the NRL.
Strategically, the Central Coast provides some great positives for the NRL:
1. They can ‘fish where the fishes are’; rewarding a heartland area by giving 1.1 million people and 23 junior teams a local club. The Central Coast is one of the fastest growing regions in NSW.
2. Re-instate a famous heritage brand with its multi-generational supporters in northern Sydney and ignite great rivalries against Manly, Newcastle and other foundation clubs.
3. Help block AFL incursions in the Pennant Hills-Berowra corridor by providing an NRL pathway to the district.
4. Introduce prestigious new corporations to the game.
5. Provides large crowds to away games, profiting existing Sydney clubs. Northern Sydney residents combined with Central Coast travelling fans will provide an estimated 5-10,000 fans to all away games in Sydney and perhaps more so to Manly and Newcastle. Large pockets of Bears fans also reside in Queensland and even NZ.
6. Offers an extra TV game if another team enters simultaneously. With so many children on the Coast, day games are virtual guaranteed sellouts. A twilight Saturday or Sunday family game would also ensure a full stadium and a new potential timeslot, featuring a brand which was the second most watched team on TV in the 1990’s.
Sourcing sufficient private equity funding to satisfy the NRL remains the final challenge – if this can be achieved before March 31, the Central Coast Bears will have met and surpassed every benchmark indicated by the administration.
David Gallop would also be mindful of the calls to put closure to the Super League War by re-instating the biggest casualty – the Central Coast Bears. An NRL competition without Central Coast involvement is akin to an AFL competition without Geelong.
A team on the Central Coast has, for at least the past 15 years, been a part of the games strategic plan. Once achieved, the game can truly move forward into new territories, not look backward.

I agree with all that.

There's just one problem. NSW already has too many teams.
 

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out of interest if the Tinkler deal happens and Newcastle become a powerhouse club will it effect the Bears sustainability or will drawing from North Sydney corporates be enough?
 

Von

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Don't think it will matter Red. Different clubs, different fans, different cultures.
The Bears have some wealthy backers behind them already like the Mortgage House and Best & Less owners.
 

Beowulf

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Don't think it will matter Red. Different clubs, different fans, different cultures.
The Bears have some wealthy backers behind them already like the Mortgage House and Best & Less owners.

All's good - corporates secured for the Bears bid - more to be announced shortly that will impress! A succesful Tinkler bid would help the Bears case, as it would remove any 'poor struggling Newcastle' claims from consideration.
 
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