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Central Coast Bears - Stand Aside

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dgsfan

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I heard from one of my sources that the Jets are being seriously considered and are a very strong chance. There's an article online somewhere proving this but I can't find it. You'll just have to take my word for it.
 

BDGS

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we might struggle on the away support (!) but we will do ok with the rest. Travel costs makes me laugh, we have a WA water polo team, a netball team, a hockey team, a baseball team etc etc who can all afford to play in a National comp yet some seem to think that the 2nd richest comp in the country is going to be reluctant to pay travel costs for WA!

If what I have heard about the TV value report is even remotely true WA is a shoe in on that value to the NRL alone.

WA have been shoe in's for the past 3-4 months really. Its when the bid (imo) turned around and looked seriously and overtook the CQ bid. Since then the Question has only been who will enter with them, even now that decision has seemed to be made.

You've now taken stupidity to a new low. Unsubstantiated hear-say is now taken as fact to you? You have no claim to ask for sources now. Free range everybody. Go nuts!

I'm sorry, have you stopped chanting 'Jets'?

Have you come with with new arguments against the Central Coast bid or are you using the old arguments that have been proved wrong many pages ago?

Or perhaps you would like to quote anybody who says the Central Coast should get a team for whatever reason and say stuff like "brilliant post" even though the collection of brilliant post you got now all contradict each other?

On Sources, if the Central Coast Bears bid has given the proof to the NRL and it is now in their hands, thats all we need to know.

I actually spent a couple of hours searching an archive funtion for the publications but no luck....just a whole lot of stories on the construction disasters at Gosford and problems bears v manly...gggrrrr was turning the blood cold!

Yeah, i tried google new's archives and they didn't have anything either.
 

BuffaloRules

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This is bully tactics by the Bears being pushed in the face of the NRL and an absolute joke...

"Look at us NRL, all these people have bought merchandise and memberships. So now you have to let us in the comp or all these people will feel ripped off.. "

FFS disgrace..

Imagine the wailing that will happen when they get brushed...
 

Beowulf

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So who has made the decision?

OK a bit over the top perhaps but I'm a good mood with the Bears having another great day in the media. Getting Wayne Bennett and Phil Gould on board was a masterstroke, agree?

I'll put it this way. The NRL have years of experience and a knowledge bank re expansion. They know what they want in a bid. Two bids are being encouraged and assisted to sell merchandise and memberships as fast as possible. Why are they doing this? For the fun of it?

It would be great PR wouldn't it. I can see David Gallop now with the announcement.....'Central Coast Bears, you have 8,000 members, more than 10 other teams, these were sold with our encouragement, but now they're worthless! You all just blew between $10 and $5500 each! And those jerseys, 1000's sold between $29.99 and $120 with our endorsement - worthless! Long live the NRL'

The IC will obviously lean heavily on the NRL and in particular David Gallop for guidance re bids. If your IQ is indeed over 80 as you so proudly boast about, you can draw your own conclusions from that. If you can't, I can supply the crayons and paper.
 

Beowulf

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This is bully tactics by the Bears being pushed in the face of the NRL and an absolute joke...

"Look at us NRL, all these people have bought merchandise and memberships. So now you have to let us in the comp or all these people will feel ripped off.. "

FFS disgrace..

The NRL have encouraged it. They should shut it all down now if they are not going ahead.
 

1 Eyed TEZZA

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The problem is that you need to have an IQ above 80 to understand it...

It is plainly obvious to see how another SEQ team will improve the deal over another NSW team. Im in the Bears camp, not because I think they will bring in more money, but rather that I think the decision needs to be based on more then money.

Their inclusion will
*Right the wrong that Super League created.
*Allow natural death or relocation to the remaining clubs in NSW
*Seal up NSW forever
*Put a massive dent into RU's fan base
*Bring back some great rivalries.

Fact is, since the Bears have been gone, Manly have not been able to persuade the people of the North Shore to embrace them. The CC Bears have the best chance at doing that and truly sealing up Sydney for Rugby League.

Queensland will be able to survive for 5 years. The AFL aren't going to make a dent there. For so long it was just the Broncos vs the Lions and the Broncos were always superior. Now its the Broncos and Titans vs the Lions and Suns. Im sure RL will dominate again.

I believe that it is truly time, to bring back the Bears on the Central Coast.
 

Beowulf

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I heard from one of my sources that the Jets are being seriously considered and are a very strong chance. There's an article online somewhere proving this but I can't find it. You'll just have to take my word for it.

OK I'll trust you. You should post it on the ipswich site so the two followers can have a dance!
 

dgsfan

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Since the Bears weren't even in the top 5 highest rating teams in the 90s, what makes you think they will be a positive in the tv ratings this time around?
 

BuffaloRules

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The IC will obviously lean heavily on the NRL and in particular David Gallop for guidance re bids. If your IQ is indeed over 80 as you so proudly boast about, you can draw your own conclusions from that. If you can't, I can supply the crayons and paper.

Its difficult to know what the IC will do when no one knows who they are yet...

They will have a duty to maximise revenue for the NRL - most of which comes from TV money...

Several of us have tried to explain why we think another team in SEQ will bring in more TV money then the Bears, but you dismiss it with BS comments...

The facts are that none of us know for sure if the TV companies will pay more for another team in SEQ.. the only way to know for sure is to ask them when the negotiations commence later in the year...

If the answer is that they will pay more for SEQ, then to be honest with you, thats all the IC should be worried about - not the fact that the Bears have sold some caps and 5000 members.... I dont belittle this particularly the membership number, but it doesnt guarantee anything ...
 

BuffaloRules

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It is plainly obvious to see how another SEQ team will improve the deal over another NSW team. Im in the Bears camp, not because I think they will bring in more money, but rather that I think the decision needs to be based on more then money.

Their inclusion will
*Right the wrong that Super League created.
*Allow natural death or relocation to the remaining clubs in NSW
*Seal up NSW forever
*Put a massive dent into RU's fan base
*Bring back some great rivalries.

Fact is, since the Bears have been gone, Manly have not been able to persuade the people of the North Shore to embrace them. The CC Bears have the best chance at doing that and truly sealing up Sydney for Rugby League.

Queensland will be able to survive for 5 years. The AFL aren't going to make a dent there. For so long it was just the Broncos vs the Lions and the Broncos were always superior. Now its the Broncos and Titans vs the Lions and Suns. Im sure RL will dominate again.

I believe that it is truly time, to bring back the Bears on the Central Coast.

Fair enough - all good reasons....

I'm obviously a bit more cynical than you and think they should get the extra cash now....
 

Red&BlackBear

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Question: Has anyone who opposes the CCBEARS ever had their own business? If so then go into detail about the effort of setting it up then I ask has anyone ever opened a franchise? (eg. Subway, 7-11 etc) and again I ask the details about how it was set up.

I ask because in the business world money has to come from various revenues. Placing a team or franchise in spot a or spot b purely based on TV money is basically killing off the team before it has a chance to grow in it's community.

Now, for those who have their own business and their own franchises. Why did you open it in spot a or b instead of interstate where possible income stream could be double? Because again revenue has to come from different streams in the business world and the local scene is where most of that will happen.

So now i get back to the point about expansion. Jets provide TV money which is equal to the CCBEARS TV money. As a matter of fact I'd say the CCBEARS will provide more revenue to the NRL from the TV Rights. Prime (Channel 7) and NBN (Channel 9) are signed on as minority/foundation sponsors. That's two completely different and competing companies signed up for one purpose.

So now we dwell into other facets of revenue. Merchandise, memberships, stadium takings, sponsorships and endorsements. The CCBEARS have all these area's covered. So now we dwell into support. The CCBEARS through community engagement have 70% of the 5180 members living on the CC. The rest are NS and interstate. The brand is nationally known and still remembered. Matter of fact the more news coverage we get the more people will remember the red & blacks.

So publicity is there. Revenue streams are there. Endorsements are there. Community involvement and support is definitely there.

So now whats left? Ah yes, NSW has too many teams. Well thats because NSW has the biggest populaton of any state in Australia. QLD maybe the fastest growing but people would make you believe that they'll catch up to NSW by tomorrow... please. QLD is one of the most expensive states to live in and the growth is actually slowing down due to these reasons.

Infrastructure, the missing link I like to call it. The CCBEARS have it all in place, stadium aside, they also have land 5hecs to be exact ready to be used to build their Center of Excellence center on. Ipswich has lacked the proper infrastructure for decades. Yes they have 2 train lines (one in bound, one outbound) and a two lane high way. Both these services are usually down or congested. But people will still have you believe that getting to Suncorp from Ippy is as simple as walking up to the local corner shop. Back on the stadium, that is the huge advantage of having one smack bang in the middle of the area you represent.

What more can I say?

Go the Bears.
 

Timmah

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Looks to me like there are two (maybe more) people in here deliberately to stir and troll pro-Bears fans.

Take a look at yourselves gents - is this really the sort of stuff you want to go on about? Trying to bag people putting their support behind a team that isn't even in the comp yet?

Grow up.
 

dgsfan

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Still can't find that link guys. I don'y wanna make myself look stupid by standing by something I can't prove so I'll keep looking. Wish me luck!
 

adamkungl

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Why keep commenting if you're just being a smartarse/arguing for the sake of arguing. Go troll elsewhere.
 

derp

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Looks to me like there are two (maybe more) people in here deliberately to stir and troll pro-Bears fans.

Take a look at yourselves gents - is this really the sort of stuff you want to go on about? Trying to bag people putting their support behind a team that isn't even in the comp yet?

Grow up.
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OK a bit over the top perhaps but I'm a good mood with the Bears having another great day in the media. Getting Wayne Bennett and Phil Gould on board was a masterstroke, agree?

I'll put it this way. The NRL have years of experience and a knowledge bank re expansion. They know what they want in a bid. Two bids are being encouraged and assisted to sell merchandise and memberships as fast as possible. Why are they doing this? For the fun of it?

It would be great PR wouldn't it. I can see David Gallop now with the announcement.....'Central Coast Bears, you have 8,000 members, more than 10 other teams, these were sold with our encouragement, but now they're worthless! You all just blew between $10 and $5500 each! And those jerseys, 1000's sold between $29.99 and $120 with our endorsement - worthless! Long live the NRL'

The IC will obviously lean heavily on the NRL and in particular David Gallop for guidance re bids. If your IQ is indeed over 80 as you so proudly boast about, you can draw your own conclusions from that. If you can't, I can supply the crayons and paper.

re the highlighted part...... show me where any of the articles in this google search...... http://www.google.com.au/#hl=en&biw...ntral+coast+bears&spell=1&fp=fd1042bfdceafadc
.......say where they are on board, in one of the main articles in fact this one here......http://wwos.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=8199725
.....the skateboard kid says that may not be tact we will take (to take gould and bennett with us).....fair enough they said they support the bid from the outset, but supporting a bid and coming on board are two different things...jeez it is amazing you can talk with both feet in your mouth
 

Red&BlackBear

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The biggest difference is that with all this talk, most you guys wouldn't be long term members of any of the bids. Whilst the Central Coast Bears already have fully fledged supporters and diehard fans. This isn't about memberships per say, but rather the fact we have fans and our support base is constantly growing.
 
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The biggest difference is that with all this talk, most you guys wouldn't be long term members of any of the bids. Whilst the Central Coast Bears already have fully fledged supporters and diehard fans. This isn't about memberships per say, but rather the fact we have fans and our support base is constantly growing.

that will do me, any credibility you had, has just gone out the window
you have been the main cheer girl squealing about how many members you have

by the way have you found the link to show where the majority of your memberships are the $80 ones......still waiting
 
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