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Charity Shield 2018

JDHD

Juniors
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Full of 'Concern-Trolls' here... Drawing to conclusions for the rest of the season off a trial match, in 31 degree heat.

Some of the comments here are embarassing - "Widdop is shit, Aitken on the wing" etc. If we score two of the disallowed tries it would be a different tone in here.

I agree defence as a whole was sub-par, especially Luc's left edge. But take into account the gruelling offseason and heat as fatigue sets in. Look at the difference between last years charity shield & round 1.

There were plenty of positives to take out, they created a lot of chances. Just execution - and more time to form combinations & picking the right line-up. We'll be alright, just watch.

I thought our halves combined really well and Hunt's kicking game was sublime.

Our edge defence is absolutely diabolical. f**k Nene, Laf and Gypsy off for Mann, Lomax and Field. Any combination can't be worse than the shit they dished up tonight.
 

Old Timer

Coach
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JDB is fantastic. THe few hits he put on were textbook.

Vaughan and Graham are great, but LAM must be in our 17. Again he proved his worth when he came on. Tough runs, great leg drive, a nice off load... just a goer.

Wouldn't write off Sele just yet.

Im much more concerned with our backline that our forwards.
You are correct in that the backs are a much bigger concern than the forwards.
The basics of the forwards are there, they just need to be put in the right order including the bench rotation.
Not too hard for a good coach but almost insurmountable for our beloved Mc Fookknuckle.
The backs need some hard arse decisions made and unfortunately we have cephalopod coaching us and making no hard decisions is his forte.
Agree whole heartedly re LAM he is a beauty and to think some wanted him gone.
That said and done the attacking coach and defensive coach are as bad as if not worse than Mc Fookknuckle and should also be the brunt of our criticism.
 
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Full of 'Concern-Trolls' here... Drawing to conclusions for the rest of the season off a trial match, in 31 degree heat.

Some of the comments here are embarassing - "Widdop is shit, Aitken on the wing" etc. If we score two of the disallowed tries it would be a different tone in here.

I agree defence as a whole was sub-par, especially Luc's left edge. But take into account the gruelling offseason and heat as fatigue sets in. Look at the difference between last years charity shield & round 1.

There were plenty of positives to take out, they created a lot of chances. Just execution - and more time to form combinations & picking the right line-up. We'll be alright, just watch.

Jeez really?
It was like Groundhog Day is what people are saying.
Same problems with defence as last year, same problems with the centres we had last year,same problems with Nene looking slow and disinterested as last year.
Sure, no doubt the forwards were good, but again, they were last year too.
The same problems in the backline haven't been addressed and McIdiot has had the whole off season to do something different, but it's still same old same old.

This is why people get frustrated.
 

TruSaint

Referee
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Full of 'Concern-Trolls' here... Drawing to conclusions for the rest of the season off a trial match, in 31 degree heat.

Some of the comments here are embarassing - "Widdop is shit, Aitken on the wing" etc. If we score two of the disallowed tries it would be a different tone in here.

I agree defence as a whole was sub-par, especially Luc's left edge. But take into account the gruelling offseason and heat as fatigue sets in. Look at the difference between last years charity shield & round 1.

There were plenty of positives to take out, they created a lot of chances. Just execution - and more time to form combinations & picking the right line-up. We'll be alright, just watch.


Yeah its just the Charity shield. I know. Losing 6 on the trot, for the so called unofficial start start of the season doesn't fill me with confidence.

This game to me means more than a " trial ".

31 degree heat ? BOTH SIDES played in that heat.

Defence was NOT sub par, it was piss poor.

Love your optimism, and hope we go well, but based on 2 trial games, I see no difference except for Hunts great kicking display.

The rest was crap.
 

Blood Shot Eyes

First Grade
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Mate our defence was paper thin. .. Yes we bombed tries... They carved us up and we had a penalty count of what 11-5 ? ... Our backline is far from determined, but if we defend like that we are fooked.
I agree Tru....been saying it for some time now, except for Widdop and Hunt (who is still finding his feet in his new club) we are very very poor in the backs....Mcdonald tries hard (at times) but is found wanting in some games....Lafai and Aitken just dont do it for me...Nighty whilst a favourite of mind is staying on one year to long imo and Dufty whilst I love his turn of pace Im just not sure if hes up to it week in week out (I hope Im wrong) that leaves Mann who I believe should be in the starting side every week...Unfortunately after admittedly only 2 trial games I cant see us making a dent in the premiership in 2018
 

John moz

Juniors
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Same old mary shit structure no game plan and our so called D again useless. When 5 minutes to go the 2 big guns widdop and hunt no place to be found.
 

Blood Shot Eyes

First Grade
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JDB is fantastic. THe few hits he put on were textbook.

Vaughan and Graham are great, but LAM must be in our 17. Again he proved his worth when he came on. Tough runs, great leg drive, a nice off load... just a goer.

Wouldn't write off Sele just yet.

Im much more concerned with our backline that our forwards.[/QUOTE


Mate I wouldnt write off Sele just yet either, if he can hold down a regular 17 man spot the I think he will go ok...As for JDB he is awesome when he hits isnt he...reminds me of a young Ben Creagh that used to line up plenty of big hits on opposing forwards
 

blacksafake

First Grade
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Didn’t see any of the game so thanks to those for letting people like me know what went down. Just a question, I listened on radio & for the life of me not once did I hear Kerr’s name mentioned. Did he play & if so how did he go or was he left on the bench
 

getsmarty

Immortal
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Rabbitohs score narrow win over Dragons in Charity Shield
Author
Brad Walter Senior Reporter
Timestamp
Sat 24 Feb 2018, 09:25 PM

Greg Inglis is set to lead South Sydney Rabbitohs in their opening round clash with New Zealand Warriors after making a short, but successful return from knee surgery in the Charity Shield at Mudgee’s Glenn Willow Stadium.

The Rabbitohs won 22-18 before a capacity 9,133 crowd, but the main story of the night was Inglis’s return after rupturing his ACL In the opening round of last season’s Telstra Premiership.

The Rabbitohs captain played just 20 minutes and spent the second half watching from the sideline in a club polo but he only wanted to test out his knee ahead of the opening clash with the Warriors at the new Perth Stadium on March 10.

A late inclusion in the Rabbitohs squad, along with backrower Angus Crichton, Inglis played the opening 20 minutes at left centre in jersey No.22 before being replaced by Hymel Hunt during a drink break midway through the first half.

While he made little impact on the game, the Test superstar looked fit and there was no doubt his presence boosted the confidence of team-mates as they fought their way back into the game after a shaky start.

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Dragons winger Jason Nightingale. :copyright:Grant Trouville/NRL Photos.
Inglis had his first run with the ball in the eighth minute and although he only made a few metres, the Rabbitohs scored on the next tackle through winger Richard Kennar, who is in line for a starting berth against the Warrirors.

As his confidence grew, Inglis became more involved and he raced to the right side of the field to take the pass from dummy half Damien Cook and run the ball into the defence.

However, he also fumbled a kick from Dragons captain Gareth Widdop in-goal to concede a drop out from his own line.

Crichton also made a successful comeback after having the middle finger of his left hand amputated following repeated dislocations.

The Sydney Roosters-bound backrower scored a 30th minute try after backing up a 50-metre run from dummy half by Cook.

Dragons winger Nene Macdonald had opened the scoring in the fourth minute when he picked up a loose pass from Widdop to cross in the corner before Kennar hit back four minutes later.

Rookie Dragons fullback Matt Dufty again showed his speed when he got on the outside of teenage Rabbitohs halfback Adam Doueihi to score in the 18th minute but momentum shifted after the break.

The change coincided with Dragons middle forwards James Graham, Paul Vaughan and Jack De Belin being off the field and the Rabbitohs found easy metres around the ruck.

Cook burst clear from dummy half in the 30th minute and five-eighth Cody Walker also made a long-range break after Sam Burgess put John Sutton through a gap in the middle of the field.

Winger Robert Jennings finished a left side shift featuring six passes to put the Rabbitohs ahead for the first time in the 39th minute, with a 40th-minute penalty goal making it 16-12 at halftime.

Walker extended the lead in the 48th minute after a Sutton break but the Dragons forced their way back into the match and were unlucky not to win after winger Jason Nightingale was denied two second half tries.

Prop Leeson Ah Mau scored his first try since 2014 to narrow the deficit and match officials considered awarding a penalty try to Nightingale in the 74th minute after he was held back by Jennings while chasing a kick.

However, they could not be certain Nightingale would have beaten Dane Gagai to the ball so the try was disallowed and Jennings was sent to the sin bin.

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Crichton finishes off Cook brilliance

https://www.nrl.com/news/2018/02/24...n-over-st-george-illawarra-in-charity-shield/
 

getsmarty

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Rabbitohs edge out Dragons in Charity Shield
Local Sport
BACK: Greg Inglis played 19 minutes in the Rabbitohs 22-18 win over St George Illawarra in Saturday's Charity Shield clash at Mudgee. Picture: Grant Trouville NRL Photos
TRIALS are a notoriously unreliable gauge of a team’s form come round one – the annual Charity Shield even more so.

South Sydney were convincing winners over the Dragons last year before winning just three of their first nine games of the season-proper. The Dragons looked well off the pace that day, but won six of their first seven to lead the competition after nine rounds.

So, what one can really gather from the Rabbitohs’ 22-18 win over the Dragons at Mudgee on Saturday remains to be seen, but both sets of fans can walk away with some optimism about their sides’ 2018 prospects.

In a match played at a much higher intensity than their respective clashes against Super League opposition last week, the Rabbitohs led 16-12 at halftime after running in three tries to two – Damien Cook proving the chief destroyer.

The pace slowed considerably in the second half as both sides wilted in the humid conditions, ending one try apiece and delivering the Rabbitohs their sixth straight Charity Shield victory.

Ben Hunt and Gareth Widdop linked more seamlessly than their first outing last week while Matt Dufty continued his red-hot form in the opening stanza, but the Dragons struggled to land an attacking blow in the second half.

Tyson Frizell played an impressive 80 minutes after missing last week’s clash with Hull, while Jack de Belin put in two solid shifts in the middle in his first preseason outing.

James Graham had two stints after a limited showing on club debut last week with Kurt Mann – who was a warm-up withdrawal due to a calf injury – the only injury concern for Paul McGregor.

The ease with which Cook and Cody Walker exposed the Dragons defence through the middle will no doubt be a concern for McGregor, but Widdop was largely positive in the aftermath.

“I thought we started pretty slow last week but I thought the first 20 minutes [tonight] was pretty positive,” Widdop said.

“We defended well, kicked long and chased hard. It was just [a lack of] execution, we had a few opportunities but a few too many balls hitting the deck.

“I know we can certainly fix that. Round one’s in about 12 days so there’s room for improvement but it was a good hit-out.”

Greg Inglis played 19 minutes to blow out the cobwebs after an ACL injury wiped out his 2017 season, though a rib injury to Alex Johnston was a concern for coach Anthony Seibold.

Dane Gagai also sent a scare through the Rabbitohs camp when he went down early in the second half clutching at an ankle though he played out the match unhampered.

Nene Macdonald opened the scoring in the fourth minute, brushing off Gagai to cross in the left-hand corner with Widdop converting for a 6-0 lead.

The Rabbitohs hit straight back through Richard Kennar just inside the same touchline with Adam Doueihi nailing the sideline conversion to level up at 6-all after 10 minutes.

Dufty re-took the lead for his side eight minutes later when he blew past Doueihi and stood up Walker to plant the ball next to the sticks and allow Widdop too take a six-point lead with the conversion.

Hunt looked to have laid on a brilliant try for Jason Nightingale with a pin-point kick into the corner only for replays to show the veteran had grazed the touch in-goal line with his right hand.

It proved a dramatic turnaround with Cook splitting the Dragons defence from inside his own half in the very next set and finding Angus Chrichton who crossed for his side’s second try.

Doueihii’s attempted conversion was waved away, with the Dragons keeping a two-point lead heading into the final 10 minutes of the half.

The Rabbitohs took it back through Robert Jennings, who finished off a beautiful exchange of passing on the left edge, with Doueihii again wayward off the tee.

He made no mistake from in front minutes later, slotting a penalty goal after the halftime siren to take a 16-12 lead into the break.

Walker was first to score after the resumption when he backed up a break from John Sutton. Doueihii added the extras to push the scoreline out to 22-12 after 50 minutes.

Nightingale looked to have hit back only again be denied by the bunker after replays showed he’d bobbled the ball in the Souths in-goal.

Leeson Ah Mau made his presence felt 10 minutes from fulltime, showing some deft late footwork to cross untouched under the posts and allow Widdop to bring his side back within four.

The Rabbitohs had to play the final seven minutes with 12 men after Jennings was dispatched to the sin-bin for dragging back Nightingale as he pursued a Widdop grubber.

It gave the Dragons a sniff, but they couldn’t find a go-ahead try.

http://www.illawarramercury.com.au/...hs-edge-out-dragons-in-charity-shield/?cs=302
 

Frank Facer

First Grade
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Didn’t see any of the game so thanks to those for letting people like me know what went down. Just a question, I listened on radio & for the life of me not once did I hear Kerr’s name mentioned. Did he play & if so how did he go or was he left on the bench
I am pretty sure that Kerr did not get any game time.
 

Dragsters

First Grade
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You didn't notice him outpacing Walker?

Speed wasn't an issue, it was his hands (and poor old, bad luck).

McDonald was far worse. His hit ups were incredibly soft, and it was embarrassing to watch him get constantly driven back in attack

Agree. Why is nobody else bagging Nene?

Both those passes Leilua threw hit the deck because Nene was standing flat footed!

He ran backward more than forward.

Still just as lazy as ever tonight for mine...
 
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We created a lot of opportunities in attack, but our finishing was at times very ordinary.

I am hoping Flo had an off day. His lack of speed and poor finishing cost us 3 tries tonight.

Had Mann played today we would have won this game comfortably.

Feel Hunt played better today. I am confident that within 4-5 weeks our attack will be potent.

Our back line play was disjointed. It was as if the guys had just met in the park before the game. We had several long passes fall well short of the receiving winger. Either the passes were too short or the wingers were not in position to take the pass.

Makes me wonder which of the coaches is in charge of ball work.

In defence the team was found wanting both on the edges but also around the marker at play the ball.

Souths back line was more slick with the ball in hand.

Don't believe the criticism of McDonald and Sele is justified.

Was very pleased with Graham, JDB, Frizz, Vaughan.

Luciano has improved but is still not ready to start. Sims must start. Its clear we missed Thommo in defence on the left hand side. It will take a bit of time before the left hand side defence adjusts to the change of personnel.

Very disappointed Kerr was not used. It indicates to me he is not in the mix for FG 17 at this point. This is ludicrous given fact Latimore is a plodder.

The FG squad has the necessary quality to play finals footy.

My fear is the coaching staff are not up to the challenge ahead.
 

Dragonsteve2

Juniors
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Luc in under 20's would play through the line then ball play but nude nut thinks play before the line i havent been a big supporter in the bag the coach train but seeing how luc played the dickhead coaches the skill out of players how long do we have to suffer
Sack the MAc

Coastie, Now that Doust is on his way out there is no point to the "Oust Doust" posters. But maybe it's time for your "Sack the Mac" to become a prominent poster at Dragons'games.

I'm out of the country for a couple of weeks so have relied on the Forum for CS updates and commentary. I thank all posters for their efforts.

The most positive conclusion I can draw is that the performance was not as bad as last year. I will be back for Rd 1 at Kogarah but with hope rather than any confidence in my heart.

Perhaps at this point it is appropriate to make an analogy to a Shane Warne comment. When asked how he felt when hit for a 6 he replied that he knew he was one ball closer to taking his next wicket. In a similar vein I might say that after the CS we are one game closer to saying goodbye to Mary, who so many of us feel is the reason why we continue to underperform.
 

Coffs dragon

Bench
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I never got to see the game, but no surprise for me as I predicted Souths would beat us thru the middle with too much speed around Damien Cook as dummy half.
I also thought that Souths new & talented Coach would have too much tactical skill and speed between the ears than our walking excuse of a bog average coach.
Welcome to Groundhog year again!
 

Saint_JimmyG

First Grade
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Agree. Why is nobody else bagging Nene?

Both those passes Leilua threw hit the deck because Nene was standing flat footed!

He ran backward more than forward.

Still just as lazy as ever tonight for mine...

Exactly.

Comparing the effort of both wingers, MacDonald was FAR worse than Nightingale.

It was a case of one step forward, 10 steps back every time he tried a 'hit up'.

If Nightingale's hand didn't unluckily go touch in-goal, SGI probably wins last night.

The other missed opportunity was simply unfortunate, and not skills or speed related.
 
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I was just amazed Macgregor didn't hook Ben Hunt.
I mean jeez, he found open space almost every time he kicked the ball, does he not understand that's just not Dragons footy.
The game plan, we'll certainly last year, was to kick straight to the opposition winger or fullback, it's how we roll.
 

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