Gene Krupa
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salivor said:Yeah, celebrate the life of a bloke who murdered his wife and son and then topped himself. That's be about as tacky as it gets for an already tacky industry.
You're an absolute idiot!
salivor said:Yeah, celebrate the life of a bloke who murdered his wife and son and then topped himself. That's be about as tacky as it gets for an already tacky industry.
salivor said:Yeah, celebrate the life of a bloke who murdered his wife and son and then topped himself. That's be about as tacky as it gets for an already tacky industry.
Iafeta said:Look, we don't know what happened for sure. We're fairly sure, but we don't know 100%.
Irrespective, I think as fans we are sometimes extremely naive in thinking we 'know' someone. If you look through professional wrestling history, there's a load of guys who were cherished heroes (the likes of Jimmy Snuka, Jake Roberts, Jake Robert's old man, Billy Graham etc) who have proven to be anything but heroes outside of the ring.
The point I am making is this - we did not admire Chris Benoit for who he was outside of the ring, and if we did, it's a sad reality check that no matter how many insider sites we go to we never know the people and can't profess or pretend to. All we can do is watch a show from start to finish and admire or repsect a character or not. That's the wrestling fans prerogrative. Because sadly, as we are learning, if you take it further you only set yourself up for extreme disappointment. It is an extremely taxing industry - 300 days on the road per year away from home, driving town to town, staying in hotels, getting thrown around and smashed around, take pain killers to cope, expected to be there for every fan's beckon call, sometimes sharing more time with a fan than their own family.
Now, the fact is none of us know or should profess or pretend to know what anyone here is like behind closed doors. Likewise, I don't know what half my bosses or employees get up to behind closed doors. I don't have the power to stop that or be involved in that. I don't know what my league heroes are like after the 80 minutes I see them each week. And likewise, as a few of them have been shattered heroes, so too are a vast majority of professional wrestlers. If one was to disconnect from a wrestler for this (and I can't and won't condone it coincidentally), you would be hard pressed to look any wrestler in the face with dignity. You will also be hard pressed to trust people in the community because frankly, you just never know.
So, with that in mind, all I know is Chris Benoit the wrestler. A great wrestler. A truly great wrestler. A guy who rekindled my passion for the game in WCW in the mid 1990's.
That's what I'll remember of the guy, because that's all I can know. I don't, can't and will never know what drives a man like him to do what he does outside the ring. Nor should I know. I don't condone it whatsoever, but that's not what my opinion of him was formed off.
Iafeta said:Look, we don't know what happened for sure. We're fairly sure, but we don't know 100%.
Irrespective, I think as fans we are sometimes extremely naive in thinking we 'know' someone. If you look through professional wrestling history, there's a load of guys who were cherished heroes (the likes of Jimmy Snuka, Jake Roberts, Jake Robert's old man, Billy Graham etc) who have proven to be anything but heroes outside of the ring.
The point I am making is this - we did not admire Chris Benoit for who he was outside of the ring, and if we did, it's a sad reality check that no matter how many insider sites we go to we never know the people and can't profess or pretend to. All we can do is watch a show from start to finish and admire or repsect a character or not. That's the wrestling fans prerogrative. Because sadly, as we are learning, if you take it further you only set yourself up for extreme disappointment. It is an extremely taxing industry - 300 days on the road per year away from home, driving town to town, staying in hotels, getting thrown around and smashed around, take pain killers to cope, expected to be there for every fan's beckon call, sometimes sharing more time with a fan than their own family.
Now, the fact is none of us know or should profess or pretend to know what anyone here is like behind closed doors. Likewise, I don't know what half my bosses or employees get up to behind closed doors. I don't have the power to stop that or be involved in that. I don't know what my league heroes are like after the 80 minutes I see them each week. And likewise, as a few of them have been shattered heroes, so too are a vast majority of professional wrestlers. If one was to disconnect from a wrestler for this (and I can't and won't condone it coincidentally), you would be hard pressed to look any wrestler in the face with dignity. You will also be hard pressed to trust people in the community because frankly, you just never know.
So, with that in mind, all I know is Chris Benoit the wrestler. A great wrestler. A truly great wrestler. A guy who rekindled my passion for the game in WCW in the mid 1990's.
That's what I'll remember of the guy, because that's all I can know. I don't, can't and will never know what drives a man like him to do what he does outside the ring. Nor should I know. I don't condone it whatsoever, but that's not what my opinion of him was formed off.
salivor said:Yeah, celebrate the life of a bloke who murdered his wife and son and then topped himself. That's be about as tacky as it gets for an already tacky industry.
PARANoIR said:You are a deadset f**king moron. Innocent until proven guilty, f**kwit.
Gene Krupa said:You're an absolute idiot!
PARANoIR said:You are a deadset f**king moron. Innocent until proven guilty, f**kwit.
Big Pete said:Way to miss my point completely. :roll:
His career, who knows whats really gone on.
Per DVDVR, per Wade
Keller's Audio Update
-He said it is being reported he suffocated his wife and son, perhaps a day apart. And then hung himself. Late Sunday night, he sent a strange text message to a person within the WWE. The police broke into the house at 2:30 pm today and found them in separate rooms.
-Vince called all the wrestlers backstage this afternoon for an emergency meeting. Wrestler were already bawling and crying. A longtime WWE wrestler said it was the most emotional state he's ever seen the wrestlers.
-There was a really uneasy feeling Sunday. Everybody felt something was wrong.
-One wrestler said "It was bound to happen". There was a strong suspicion backstage that Benoit did this right away. There was also a suspicion that Nancy had done it. They had a volatile relationship and everyone knew it.
-Hardly anybody backstage really knew Benoit. He had a very small inner circle that one time included Eddy Guerrero and recently included Chavo Guerrero. But even they had a certain psychological distance from Benoit. Everyone could tell that something wasn't right lately with Benoit.
-He said that he was a very nice and pleasant person to be around, but a person close to Benoit said that Chris had "snap potential".
-A lot of steroids were found in the Benoit household, and Benoit has had bouts with "roid rages". WWE may suffer publicly because of their unenforced "Wellness Policy".
EDIT: Meltz
Chavo got the texts.
Tapings will go forward tomorrow with no tributes to Benoit nor continuation of the McMahon angle.
salivor said:Wow, what arguments fellas, I'm truly outshone by your well reasoned arguments and linguistic ability. Tip of my hat you you two.
To both yourself and Iafeta, there's no point to miss, you can't seperate the guy's wrestling career with what he has now done. And yes I am calling it a murder suicide, read the main article on wwe.com, the lead investigater of the Sherriffs department has called it a murder sucide. The reports of friends recieving weird txt messages from Benoit that led them to call the police, the different times of death, police struggling to enter the property themselves and it being guarded by dogs would probably rule out an intruder as well as the fact that Benoit had failed to show at 2 WWE events leading up to this. It all points to one conclusion.
By paying tribute to Benoit the wrestler or the career of Benoit your brushing aside the actions of a murderer and that IMO is condoning the act whether or not that's your intention. It's like paying tribute to Gary Glitter as "I only knew him as the artist not the kiddie fiddler". There's fallen heroes all around us who rightfully live or die in shame, I personally think it's inappropriate to pay tribute or homage to a bloke who all signs point to being capable of killing his wife and 7 year old son. I wonder how the family of his wife would feel about it.
Gene Krupa said:Blah, blah, blah and all I read was that salivor is a complete farkwit!
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