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Chris Paul --> Lakers - (Vetoed again)

BunniesMan

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"Multiple sources" saying Howard will be traded to the Nets. He wants to go there and they have the talent (Brook Lopez) and picks to make it happen. He finally gets a good PG and gets to play in New York. Paul will probably end up at the Knicks as a free agent.

A few hours ago it looked like both Howard and Paul to the Lakers was a possibility, now it looks likely they'll get neither, all while pissing off 2 key players and making them feel unwanted.
 

andrew057

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Big Mick

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You guys read the Dan Gilbert letter?

Aside from the Lottery tax bit...tbh its hard to argue it.

Blind freddy can see what was happening when the deal was announced.

The offer would be Howard and Hedo (Using Trade Exception from Paul Trade) for Bynum & picks.

And I agree with Gilbert...when has it ever happened that the team getting the superstar saves money while also getting a trade exception.

I'm not sure it was a good deal for NO either. They have even more cap spend now with three more guys in Kevin Martin, Lamar Odem & Luis Scola who are all not young players. Only Scola really has longer than 3 years left.

Then they get a 1st which is unprotected Timberwolves pick which may be a good pick but you don't know. So it would take 3 years for the Hornets to get the salary of all those aging guys off the books...all the while not being bad enough to get a high lottery pick, while not being good enough for the play-offs...so not getting any good guys in the draft....it would mean the Hornets would only be able to truly rebuild after 3 years when you think about it.
 

Special K

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Gilbert doesn't care about the hornets though he and the owners just care about ther teams and stopping the lakers getting CP3. There have been hundreds of 1 sided trades (and this one wasn't even that bad IMO) and the NBA did not do shit. For basketball reasons? What a load of shit.

Poor form from the league.
 

Ridders

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So Dan Gilbert was against the trade because it would mean less money for him from revenue sharing :lol:

At least it's good to know that the Hornets were his prime concern when he heard about the trade.

I guess he'd prefer the Hornets to follow his approach in regards to dealing with a leaving superstar :roll:
 
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What good is cap space for NO when they can't attract free agents? Howard isn't going to test free agency and sign with NO and neither will any of these elite stars and the only players 3/4 of the teams can attract are the mid level players forced out by salary cap restraints asking for a bette pay day.

Trade with LAL was the only way NO would benefit. Cap space just means paying overs for scrubs and living in the void like the Pacers
 

Ridders

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If there is some good that has come of this fiasco, it's the "basketball reasons" expression. Love it :lol:
 

BunniesMan

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You guys read the Dan Gilbert letter?

Aside from the Lottery tax bit...tbh its hard to argue it.

Blind freddy can see what was happening when the deal was announced.

The offer would be Howard and Hedo (Using Trade Exception from Paul Trade) for Bynum & picks.

And I agree with Gilbert...when has it ever happened that the team getting the superstar saves money while also getting a trade exception.

I'm not sure it was a good deal for NO either. They have even more cap spend now with three more guys in Kevin Martin, Lamar Odem & Luis Scola who are all not young players. Only Scola really has longer than 3 years left.

Then they get a 1st which is unprotected Timberwolves pick which may be a good pick but you don't know. So it would take 3 years for the Hornets to get the salary of all those aging guys off the books...all the while not being bad enough to get a high lottery pick, while not being good enough for the play-offs...so not getting any good guys in the draft....it would mean the Hornets would only be able to truly rebuild after 3 years when you think about it.
I disagree. When you look past the posturing and transparent rhetoric you see why Gilbert is full of shit. This from an excellent article on the current mess:

Gilbert pointed out that the trade would net the Lakers the best player in the deal and save them $40 million in salary and luxury taxes over the next three seasons. But this is not what would've happened. It was widely known that Paul, after a six-month waiting period instituted in the new CBA, would sign a new five-year, $100 million contract with the Lakers after opting onut of his contract on July 1. And the Lakers, who'd be bereft of big men after seding Pau Gasol to the Rockets and Lamar Odom to the Hornets, would need to spend more to replace that size or risk having Kobe Bryant keel over in frustration while Paul futilely dribbled in circles with nobody to receive his magical passes.
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But something bigger than that happened Thursday. The NBA became the place where conspiracy theories and frozen envelopes and suspicious whistles are no longer the stuff of overactive imaginations or the objects of cold stares from company men. It all came home to roost with this decision from Stern Thursday night, a fine way to take something that was already going to be a struggle -- a lockout-shortened season filled with bad blood and worse basketball -- and turn it into something far worse.
The punchline of a sorry excuse for a joke, under a circus tent growing more inflated by the minute.
http://www.cbssports.com/nba/story/...al-makes-nba-look-like-secondrate-bush-league

This trade being vetoed isn't about NO or LA or even Chris Paul. This is about Stern and frustrated owners getting a little bit of revenge for essentially failing their goals in the negotiations. They got billions back in salaries. In this economy most people would consider that a massive win. But they wanted so much more than that and didn't get it. So they pulled this selfish, shortsighted and petty move in a fit of frustration.

I've read both Paul and the Lakers are in talks with lawyers to sue the NBA. It won't surprise if this blows up in their face.

That's what happens when you have a megalomaniac dictator as your league Commissoner, supported by a majority of owners who are incompetent out of their league buffoons who have no clue how to run a team.

And another good article on this chaos:
http://www.ocregister.com/articles/lakers-330736-nba-stern.html
 
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natheel

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unfortunatly NO isnt an attractive team to go too without CP3 there. who else have we got? West? he's the only other player that could possibly attract another decent player there, and im just grasping at straws. lets face it our playoffs appearance was because of Paul. Hornets need him to stay, unfortunatley he will probably leave :(
 

Cartman

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I am not a Laker fan, and I think this is ridiculous. Where can Paul be traded now? Are they hoping he walks as a FA and can only go to teams with cap room?

Also trying to read articles on this when tired gets confusing with all this Pau/Paul talk. :D
 

ByRd

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Been watching Espn this morning and on each show the NBA is copping it and Stern is copping it even more, people calling for his head and an espn poll with over 100k votes had 67% of the people saying it ruined the integrity of the nba by ALOT.

Lets just wait and see what happens today but i think it gets done. Odom showed up to Lakers training camp and left after 15mins, so make of that what you will.
 

Big Mick

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Gasol wasn't going to the Hornets he was going to Houston.

Odom, Kevin Martin & Luis Scola going to Hornets and tbh...I don't think that is enough to be bad enough to get a good pick or good enough for the play-offs. Plus they are saddled with more salary and years for older guys on the decline. Their only pick in the trade is a NY KNicks one and you can't really think that'll be a lottery pick any time soon...so what exact benefit do NO get? More salary, 3 older players with years left on contract as well as a pick that'll get them a role player at best in the draft...doesn't sound that appealing when you think about it.

I still think the trade gets done however as the league will make LA throw in a pick or something.
 

Special K

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Maybe they didn't want to be bad enough to get a good pick? Maybe they wanted to compete (and they would have been a side around .500 similar to now) add depth and look to sign and draft well. They won't sign big name free agents, Paul is going to walk for free in 6 months. Getting Odom, Martin and Scola > a rental of Paul until he walks in a few months.

The trade gave them a scorer in Martin who put up over 20 a game last year, Odom who is a very solid player and so is Scola. I can't believe that a trade that was agreed to is being blokes "for basketball reasons". What a joke! It is not the nbas job to work out fair value. Look at what philly got for Iverson.. This deal is better or just as good. The trade gave the hornets ok value given their situation. Now they will see Paul walk and not be able to sign anyone. Plus who knows what they could have flipped someone like Odom for near the deadline if a contender was interested.
 
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