Cleary v Ponga

[TheFrog]

Funny that, because now everyone is fat...at the Raiders

Sticky likes pork.

 

[Saintsified]

He's dead brah.

But we see dead people

 

[nick87]

Dont f**king fat shame us, you merkin
It's a thyroid disorder

 

[Tenacious Titans]

Cleary is the vastly superior player in most facets. Ponga reminds me of someone like Kurt Gidley - A good well rounded player but not someone a contending club should build around.

wtf

 

[El Diablo]

Ponga does shit on the field he has no right to be doing

nobody should shit on the field

ban him ffs

 

[LostInTranslation]

Difficult to compare. Ponga has much more raw talent and skill and largely unpredictable, however Cleary is a consistent and is a smart, control orientated player.

 

[mxlegend99]

nobody should shit on the field

ban him ffs

Packer opened the door by pissing on the field.

So long as they do it at Suncorp I say let them.

 

[Travitoh]

nobody should shit on the field

ban him ffs

Dean Pay having a discussion with the Belmore curator...
"Geez, the grass is looking good. How do you do it?" Pay asks.
"It wasn't me, mate." replied the curator "you're the one who put 17 bags of shit out there at the weekend."

 

[McLovin]

wtf

Maybe that was too far? Ponga has a long way to go to catch Kidleys accomplishments

 

[blaza88z]

you'd prefer Ponga over Cleary at this stage in their respective careers, Ponga just looks to have so much more to offer

 

[blaza88z]

Judging a players capabilities on a bad team is silly. Someone has to get the stats. That player just happens to be Ponga. Last year it was Ross.. year before, probably Ross again. You get the point.

Cleary has already proven he can lead his teams (club and state) to wins. Penrith sitting comfortably in the top 4

Let's list the qualities required to be a top line spine player and compare the two;

1. Leadership - Cleary
2. Passing game - Ponga
3. Kicking game - Cleary
4. Organisational skills - Cleary
5. Maturity - Cleary
6. Ability to garner wins for the team - Cleary

As you can see, Cleary is the winner in just about every facet.

You could have covered points 1, 4 and 6 with point #5, as they all effectively come with maturity and experience

So basically, Cleary has a betting kicking game (you'd hope so, he's a halfback) and Ponga hasn't yet gotten that maturity down pat and all the perks come with it given this is only his first real season of first grade

I had a chuckle at the concept that Cleary led his state to a win, he did absolutely nothing, it was all Teddy and Maloney, if Cordner wasn't in that side and you got beat, guess who your scape goat is

 

[blaza88z]

Lol, another year, another young player that people say will be better than Joey...they never are, and while Cleary is a great young player he hasn’t shown anything to indicate he will be either. Neither will Ponga.

I don’t even think Johns holds any records, but he’s still seen as the best by most.

Don’t get me wrong, I think Cleary is a great young player, but people crediting him solely for the Panthers success...it gives zero credit to Maloney who is IMO a much better and more dominate player at this stage.

They were comparing Moylan to Lockyer early on, it's just standard Penrith practice

 

[Travitoh]

I had a chuckle at the concept that Cleary led his state to a win, he did absolutely nothing, it was all Teddy and Maloney, if Cordner wasn't in that side and you got beat, guess who your scape goat is

Roberts

 

[Tenacious Titans]

Maybe that was too far? Ponga has a long way to go to catch Kidleys accomplishments

wtf

 

[mxlegend99]

They were comparing Moylan to Lockyer early on, it's just standard Penrith practice

Yep. We set the bar too low for Moyza.

 

[Mr Angry]

Lockyer says QLD game plan, Ponga to bring us home....words to that effect.

1st game no pressure.

 

[Spade]

Cleary done nothing that whole half, get involved son! Ponga looking for the ball.

 

[McLovin]

Mid-way through Origin II and it is clear to see the dominance Cleary has over the game and those around him. He's very controlled. A 20 year old barking orders at origin hardmen like Prior, Frizell, etc, showing them the way.

Ponga has been on the field for about 20 minutes but his impact has been very minimal. In fact, NSW have scored all their points while Ponga has been injected into the game. He has been a disruption in the QLD defensive line and has had a few touched for minimal results. Some here think he's a generational talent, those who know football know otherwise.

 

[Spade]

Mid-way through Origin II and it is clear to see the dominance Cleary has over the game and those around him. He's very controlled. A 20 year old barking orders at origin hardmen like Prior, Frizell, etc, showing them the way.

Ponga has been on the field for about 20 minutes but his impact has been very minimal. In fact, NSW have scored all their points while Ponga has been injected into the game. He has been a disruption in the QLD defensive line and has had a few touched for minimal results. Some here think he's a generational talent, those who know football know otherwise.

Talking out your ass wanker

 

[Panther_Daz]

Cleary done nothing that whole half, get involved son! Ponga looking for the ball.

Everytime Cleary touches it (which hasn't been many times) NSW play breaks down. NSW only look good in attack when Cleary isn't involved.