Coach Power Rankings preseason 2019

[SBD82]

Imagine the textas Ricky would get if he was Saints coach LOL. I wonder if Raiders fans would prefer to be straight shooting or hurtin' in the sheds. Funnily enough, I think Ricky would do better with our squad than Mary.

With our squad, Ricky would be more likely to win the comp, but also more likely to get the spoon.

He could do both in consecutive years too.

 

[adamkungl]

With our squad, Ricky would be more likely to win the comp, but also more likely to get the spoon.

He could do both in consecutive years too.

Games Greatest Thinker Power Rankings
1. Ricky Stuart

 

[carcharias]

Maybe

Or is it more so the team strangling teams out of games and surrounding average players with arguably 3 of THE BEST players of the last 20 years?

The 3 who Bellamy invented?

 

[MilkShark]

The 3 who Bellamy invented?

I'm not sure he created them, he kept them together.

They were good from the get go, not a work in progress.

 

[Big Pete]

From rookie to star?

Bizarre way to do it but i would say robbo would have just as many in his first 6 years as bellamy.

Of course the likes of smith slater cronk RTS, latrell etc. Would become stars under any coach so it is a moot point.

Let's compare the pair.

Rookies are players who either debuted or had played limited games (3) before their respective coaches came into their careers. Let's say stars are players who either represented a Tier 1 Nation or played Origin.

Bellamy (2003-2008)
Cameron Smith
Ryan Hoffman
Dallas Johnson
Antonio Kaufusi
Matt King
Billy Slater
Jake Webster
Steve Turner
Jeremy Smith
Cooper Cronk
Greg Inglis
Brett White
Adam Blair
Jeff Lima
Israel Folau
Sika Manu

Robinson (2013-18)
Daniel Tupou
Isaac Liu
Dylan Napa
Sio Siua Taukeiaho
Joseph Manu
Latrell Mitchell

Even if we include Tuivasa-Sheck who'd only played six games prior, it doesn't measure up to what Bellamy was able to achieve.

 

[carcharias]

I'm not sure he created them, he kept them together.

They were good from the get go, not a work in progress.

They were still rookies.

Cameron smith played half back for 2 games
Bellamy took over and moved him to hooker in his first year as coach in 2003.

Smith then played SOO as hooker from that year on.

 

[veggiepatch1959]

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[adamkungl]

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Nothing to contribute then?

 

[SBD82]

Let's compare the pair.

Rookies are players who either debuted or had played limited games (3) before their respective coaches came into their careers. Let's say stars are players who either represented a Tier 1 Nation or played Origin.

Bellamy (2003-2008)
Cameron Smith
Ryan Hoffman
Dallas Johnson
Antonio Kaufusi
Matt King
Billy Slater
Jake Webster
Steve Turner
Jeremy Smith
Cooper Cronk
Greg Inglis
Brett White
Adam Blair
Jeff Lima
Israel Folau
Sika Manu

Robinson (2013-18)
Daniel Tupou
Isaac Liu
Dylan Napa
Sio Siua Taukeiaho
Joseph Manu
Latrell Mitchell

Even if we include Tuivasa-Sheck who'd only played six games prior, it doesn't measure up to what Bellamy was able to achieve.

That's some quality info. Cheers.

The other interesting factor, and one that I think is impossible to measure at this stage of Robinsons career, is what becomes of those players once they leave to play under another coach. From Bellamy's list, blokes like Blair, turner, Hoffman didn't shine in the same way, but Smith certainly did.

 

[AJB1102]

I'm not sure he created them, he kept them together.

They were good from the get go, not a work in progress.

Cronk was a bench backrower at a pinch. Slater a trackwork jockey. Smith unwanted by the Broncos.

They all may have gone on to be greats at any club under any coach, but no one else wanted them.

 

[carcharias]

Will chambers was another one from Bellamy

Vunivalu - from Fiji to 61 try’s and 3 gf’s in his 3 years in the game.
Didn’t Bellamy just replace one freak Fijian with another totally unknown?

 

[Big Pete]

Will chambers was another one from Bellamy

Certainly, but Will didn't achieve rep. status in that time frame. It wasn't until 2014 he found himself in that company, so in the interest of fairness, he wasn't included.

 

[firechild]

In the last dozen years, Hasler has coached teams to 5 grand finals and 2 premierships. With 10 consecutive finals appearances.

So, missing the finals twice makes him a worse coach than Sticky?

 

[Captain Apollo]

I could coach the roosters to a grand final
That’s without even showing up to training.

At least Bellamy turns shit players into very good players.
Roosters just buy very good players and that’s it.

Really? So everyone knew who Daniel Tupou was before he came to the Roosters and how good he'd be? Joseph Manu? Latrell Mitchell, the player two other clubs (Canterbury and iirc, Newcastle) turned down. Yeah everyone knew who Victor Radley was? Everyone knew about Mitchell Aubusson and Jake Friend before they came to the Roosters eh? Yeah everyone was clamouring to sign that know first grade wonder Isaac Lui. Also everyone wanted Siosiua Taukeiaho eh? Lindsay Collins, gee he was a household name before coming to the Roosters too eh?

He may no longer be there, but Dylan Napa he was soooo well know before coming to the Roosters wasn't he?

 

[carcharias]

Really? So everyone knew who Daniel Tupou was before he came to the Roosters and how good he'd be? Joseph Manu? Latrell Mitchell, the player two other clubs (Canterbury and iirc, Newcastle) turned down. Yeah everyone knew who Victor Radley was? Everyone knew about Mitchell Aubusson and Jake Friend before they came to the Roosters eh? Yeah everyone was clamouring to sign that know first grade wonder Isaac Lui. Also everyone wanted Siosiua Taukeiaho eh? Lindsay Collins, gee he was a household name before coming to the Roosters too eh?

He may no longer be there, but Dylan Napa he was soooo well know before coming to the Roosters wasn't he?

Napa?
Isn’t he the dude who allegedly sticks his own fingers up his bum?

Jake Friend was playing first grade for the Roosters 3 years before Robinson arrived.

Aubusson was there for about 6 years.

Latrell is a great player
They compare him to the great Greg Inglis
You know the bloke Bellamy signed as a kid.

 

[veggiepatch1959]

Nothing to contribute then?

Why should I contribute when four people (who are the same person) talk to each other?

 

[MilkShark]

Very good points about Bellamy and the players he has produced over the years.

I guess I just don't like his style of football and I blame alot of what we have in front of us today on him.

 

[carcharias]

Very goods point about Bellamy and the players he has produced over the years.

I guess I just don't like his style of football and I blame alot of what we have in front of us today on him.

Also he hasn’t poached a lot of established stars.
He has been at the storm for a long time now so it’s hard to compare him to Robinson in that regard.
But I think it’s still in favour of Bellamy.

 

[adamkungl]

In the last dozen years, Hasler has coached teams to 5 grand finals and 2 premierships. With 10 consecutive finals appearances.

So, missing the finals twice makes him a worse coach than Sticky?

Fair points. Rankings like this will always be very debatable. If you'd asked me 2 years ago I'd have Des as a top 4 coach.

More than simply missing the finals, the way he has trashed the Dogs roster for what could still be years has soured my opinion on him. Furthermore, he isn't missing the finals with a poor roster that he inherited, he was heading down the ladder year on year with a team that he built from scratch, which was in a Grand Final not very long ago. Every recruitment decision and every football decision he has made since 2014 has resulted in dropping a few ladder spots. This looks to me like a coach that has lost his touch. There's every chance he can turn it around at Manly but right now, his stocks are low.

Sticky is always controversial. I think middling is a pretty fair assessment. He's got the Raiders into a competitive outfit which is an improvement on where they were under Furner's long reign.

The main difference between Des and Sticky is that Sticky is heading in the right direction (albeit slowly) while Des has been heading in the wrong direction since Grand Final day 2014.

 

[adamkungl]

Why should I contribute when four people (who are the same person) talk to each other?

A lot of people on this forum seem to complain about the quality but contribute nothing other than smartarse comments.
Go pollute someone else's thread.