Coaching preference for 2024

[TheRev]

They casually mentioned the main 3 + Hasler and '1 other' were in the background.. The mmm audio byte.. So there may be a 5th yet..

 

[qld redvee]

So Hook only told Kerr the areas to work on, and why he didn't play him, at the debrief at the end of the season. That's sh*t coaching right there. Why would you wait until the end of the season? Why wouldn't you work on getting all players improving their game throughout the season? That's grounds for getting rid of Hook right there.

and then we have the 'allegations by burgess and jet ski also Johnno .. so the players dont know what to work on to improve their game ... no wonder we are a headless playing group .. I wonder just who told hook to do a better job in the off season and WHY did they wait to off season ??? an improving Kerr would have been much better value than woods

 

[Dragon David]

No doubt we have had issues re coaching since Bennett's departure.

For the best part of 11 years we have said that

Defence is shit
Attack is shit
Basic skills are shit
Kicking game is shit
Game plan is shit
Man management is shit
Fitness & conditioning is shit
Rehab is shit

We have had a range of coaches, conditioners, gurus, mentors and others to bring the best out in our players and in that 11`years there have been many and varied players so it's not as if we haven't had different skills sets in the place.

No doubt the coaches and associated staff have had deficiencies in a range of areas but to say that these major problems have been the hallmark of all 3 coaches and associated staff is a bit too much for me to accept.

If we are brutally honest we have had a few good players intermingled with some very ordinary players and we have over-estimated many a players ability and worth.

By all means get a new coach but to expect that things will instantly change and a new discipline will emerge is a bridge too far for mine.

In fact I do believe that Hook did try to instill discipline into the place and to a large degree put the ball firmly in the players court and pushed back on them to give them responsibility and ownership rather than mody coddling them and sadly that approach has also failed.

IMO in recent times the Mc Fookknuckle and JDB incidents reinforced a very bad message to the playing group and it has now become heavily ingrained.

Any new coach will have more than his hands full with our club and most likely the reason why our pool of candidates is kept quiet because it is so exceedingly small.

Chinless, Mc Fookknuckle and Hook have all been less than perfect but we have Bennett and Gould to thank for the 1st two and only ourselves to blame for the last one.

Nicely written and structured Mr O/T and I am in full agreement with everything you have said.

I want to say much more about our predicament, but it would be too wishy washy and nonsensical anyway based on pipe dreams rather than anything logical and realistic and factual.

 

[be55]

No we see the game sort of the same.
But just for me he has limited minutes coming off the bench fresh and Yes he is playing in the middle this year and noted plays the ball quicker but does not trouble the opposition enough.
We need more from our tallest? biggest? prop and it is a contract year as others have mentioned.
He has had many years to start to dominate like each teams are supposed to have these type of props and what is he now mid-late 20's?.
This year Lawrie & Molo are our aggressors but that does not excite too many.
For me he is never going to be that leading prop and boy we need another 1 or 2.

Yeah mate, I don’t disagree with most of that…

I’m not too fussed if he stays or goes as long as, if he does go, he’s replaced with somebody of quality not someone from the bargain bin.

I personally think Bennett will be chips in for him. He’s got some middles that are getting long in the tooth, and I bet he looks at Kerr as someone he could consistently get the best out of. I think Kerr’s comment of “we’ll see how much they want to keep me” is a tell someone’s more than serious about signing him.

I think he has been criminally underused. To think, last year, he was languishing in reserve grade, while the likes of Jaiyden Hunt, Michael Molo and co were been selected ahead of him is a absolute joke. Although our coaching messiah thought it was a good idea to turn him into an 80min edge backrower. That alone proves the coach is absolutely clueless. The good qualities that he brings, an offload and a quick play the ball, are irrelevant to any game plan that Hook has.

My gut tells me he’ll probably leave.

Time will tell...

 

[Revesby boy]

I suppose Dave the process has to happen via an inquiry to the managers " hey would such and such be interested " if the answer is yes then a more formal process would occur. Either way its not as embarrassing if they turn us down at the informal stage just like Slater.

I’d like to comment on our future coaching situation regarding how a new coach will also struggle with the playing group, and I know that Cricket and Football are different animals ( I have coached both) but I can see the light at the end of the tunnel, This by the way isn’t a look at me post but a positive spin on what can happen, around 10yrs ago I was offered the Opportunity of accepting a Head Coaching position at a South coast Cricket club and long story short the club had already started the season and were in about the 4/5 round and were currently coming last and were obviously winless.
After I took over they went undefeated for the rest of the season only to lose the GF ( they choked) for the next 8 or so years we made 3 more G Finals winning 1 and every year I coached we made the S Finals.
Now I’m telling you all straight up that I’m not a great Coach because all I did was drilling into my players to have respect for themselves and their teammates and the opposition and instilled DISCIPLINE into their game and the right culture, so I’m going to go against most here and say that the RIGHT COACH can kickstart our players from the get go and the players who aren’t prepared to to buy into the new philosophy/ culture should be shown the door, remember good players make good coaches.

People I’d like to comment on a

No doubt we have had issues re coaching since Bennett's departure.

For the best part of 11 years we have said that

Defence is shit
Attack is shit
Basic skills are shit
Kicking game is shit
Game plan is shit
Man management is shit
Fitness & conditioning is shit
Rehab is shit

We have had a range of coaches, conditioners, gurus, mentors and others to bring the best out in our players and in that 11`years there have been many and varied players so it's not as if we haven't had different skills sets in the place.

No doubt the coaches and associated staff have had deficiencies in a range of areas but to say that these major problems have been the hallmark of all 3 coaches and associated staff is a bit too much for me to accept.

If we are brutally honest we have had a few good players intermingled with some very ordinary players and we have over-estimated many a players ability and worth.

By all means get a new coach but to expect that things will instantly change and a new discipline will emerge is a bridge too far for mine.

In fact I do believe that Hook did try to instill discipline into the place and to a large degree put the ball firmly in the players court and pushed back on them to give them responsibility and ownership rather than mody coddling them and sadly that approach has also failed.

IMO in recent times the Mc Fookknuckle and JDB incidents reinforced a very bad message to the playing group and it has now become heavily ingrained.

Any new coach will have more than his hands full with our club and most likely the reason why our pool of candidates is kept quiet because it is so exceedingly small.

Chinless, Mc Fookknuckle and Hook have all been less than perfect but we have Bennett and Gould to thank for the 1st two and only ourselves to blame for the last one.
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[blacksafake]

Yeah mate, I don’t disagree with most of that…

I’m not too fussed if he stays or goes as long as, if he does go, he’s replaced with somebody of quality not someone from the bargain bin.

I personally think Bennett will be chips in for him. He’s got some middles that are getting long in the tooth, and I bet he looks at Kerr as someone he could consistently get the best out of. I think Kerr’s comment of “we’ll see how much they want to keep me” is a tell someone’s more than serious about signing him.

I think he has been criminally underused. To think, last year, he was languishing in reserve grade, while the likes of Jaiyden Hunt, Michael Molo and co were been selected ahead of him is a absolute joke. Although our coaching messiah thought it was a good idea to turn him into an 80min edge backrower. That alone proves the coach is absolutely clueless. The good qualities that he brings, an offload and a quick play the ball, are irrelevant to any game plan that Hook has.

My gut tells me he’ll probably leave.

Time will tell...

Don’t forget Hook continually picked Woods ahead of him too.

 

[redv13]

As much as I love Hornby and Young and everything they did for the red V throughout their career, please please please, they are nowhere near ready for the challenge of being our next head coach. Just pray to god that the BOD don’t f**k this one up

 

[Centralcoastdragon2]

Why would we let Flanagan leave this year and hire him for 2024? I hope we don't hire him.

 

[redv13]

Why would we let Flanagan leave this year and hire him for 2024? I hope we don't hire him.

Flanagan doesn’t sit well with me and I wouldn’t be over the moon if he signs. I’d much rather have Maguire or Hasler way before Flanno

 

[be55]

Don’t forget Hook continually picked Woods ahead of him too.

He should be charged with dereliction of duty...

 

[Dragon David]

Why would we let Flanagan leave this year and hire him for 2024? I hope we don't hire him.

I don't think they will CCD2. In fact I am positive that they won't. He didn't do too much when he was at the club in the past couple of years so a change of hat won't make any difference in my opinion.

 

[BLM01]

Why would we let Flanagan leave this year and hire him for 2024? I hope we don't hire him.

Because Hook did not want him as an assistant

 

[blacksafake]

Flanagan doesn’t sit well with me and I wouldn’t be over the moon if he signs. I’d much rather have Maguire or Hasler way before Flanno

Maguire is finished IMO

 

[justadragon]

Because Hook did not want him as an assistant

He didnt do anything under McPeanut either

 

[Kolum Kid]

As much as I love Hornby and Young and everything they did for the red V throughout their career, please please please, they are nowhere near ready for the challenge of being our next head coach. Just pray to god that the BOD don’t f**k this one up

Dead set right. Let them go to QLD cup or the NSW equivalent and win something before they get the honour of HC of the Red V. Making them NRL HC now is like taking a player from reserve grade in Brisbane to first NRl first grade

 

[RedVee_8]

So according to reporter David Riccio on Triple M radio, the Dragons have began the reach out to 4 shortlisted potential coaches, through the Managers of Young, Hornby, Flanagan & Hasler.
It seems inevitable & the clock is now ticking.

But didn’t they say the other day that Young isn’t interested?

 

[Coffs dragon]

But didn’t they say the other day that Young isn’t interested?

I don’t know who said that, but it was probably his father Craig whom is not interested…..LOL

 

[Dragon David]

Maguire is finished IMO

He might remain as an assistant coach helping the Raiders.

 

[redv13]

Maguire is finished IMO

I disagree on this one mate, Madge has plenty left to offer. He still has the passion and fire to coach full time. He got shafted by Tim Sheens after the Leichhardt circus couldn’t handle his tough ways.

The players screwed him for being too tough and they sulked and took the soft option. That’s exactly what our club needs and he would be able to sort out who wants to bleed for the red V and those that are just there for the gravy train.

Plenty of people put the boot in to Madge but they have gone way backwards since he left so clearly Madge wasn’t the problem in Tiger Town. Soft management and even softer players were and still are the problem

 

[BLM01]

He didnt do anything under McPeanut either

If we want to blame Flanno for that one year, nor did Deano, JD (for one year?) or Hornby when working under him