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Commission to outlaw 'shoulder charge'

Should the Shoulder Charge be banned?


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BunniesMan

Immortal
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It comes down to this, if shoulder charges are even close to your favourite thing about rugby league, you're not a real fan. With the shoulder charge in or out, it so far down the list of reasons I watch the game that I haven't spent 2 minutes thinking about it since it got banned.

This is the greatest game of all, it is still the greatest game of all even without shoulder charges.
 
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For f**k's sake... if you're going to be a soft c*ck whinging about shoulder charges, you might as well go and play badmington.

Rugby League is a contact sport, deal with it!
 

afinalsin666

First Grade
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It comes down to this, if shoulder charges are even close to your favourite thing about rugby league, you're not a real fan. With the shoulder charge in or out, it so far down the list of reasons I watch the game that I haven't spent 2 minutes thinking about it since it got banned.

This is the greatest game of all, it is still the greatest game of all even without shoulder charges.

This doesn't make sense. Nothing, except for a try or a fight, can get a crowded room on their feet screaming like a massive shoulder charge. I love the game, but i love the atmosphere of watching a game with friends and family more. There is a reason we sat quiet during Dragons games in 2010. We were all aware of how good they played, and the defence was a marvel, but it wasn't a spectacle. And to me, spectacle is the most important thing in sport.
Even though i just watch all 8 games and pre shows and post shows and mid week shows and buy the jerseys, and read these forums and the nrl site, even in the off season, i'm a sh*t fan. Righto.



OT, i'm sort of accepting of the fact that the shoulder charges are banned. Mainly because the Storm are one of the few teams with the discipline to completely eradicate it from our game in short order. Gives us more of an advantage early on.
 
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Nice to see all the mouth breathers in here think they know more than doctors about head injuries and concussions

Nobody thinks they know anything more about player health than doctors. What we think we know is that if player health is given priority over the nature of League then we don't have a f**king game left.

But more to the point, it's a bit rich, as so many defenders of this decision are doing, to hype up doctors as if they can't be influenced, as if player welfare is the absolute bottom line for them, as if they have a monopoly on concern for player welfare.

Aren't these the doctors that have been giving the green light for concussed players to go out and play for the last however many years? The same doctors letting players go out their with broken jaws, slipped discs and the like. If they had any real concern for players they wouldn't be letting that happen, for a start.

Stop putting these people on a pedestal. Rugby League doctors are the mercenaries of the medical community. They send injured, often concussed players out into harms way for their own financial greed.

Until these dollar-chasing hypocrites start taking seriously player health then you shouldn't expect rational people to take them seriously.

You watch, these same doctors will be out there next year allowing concussed and injured players to play on, I put money on that fact.

If shoulder charges are banned they need banning on medical science, not the personal opinion of dollar-chasing, ethically-hollow doctors.
 
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It comes down to this, if shoulder charges are even close to your favourite thing about rugby league, you're not a real fan. With the shoulder charge in or out, it so far down the list of reasons I watch the game that I haven't spent 2 minutes thinking about it since it got banned.

This is the greatest game of all, it is still the greatest game of all even without shoulder charges.

It's the greatest game of all without the shoulder charges. But we shouldn't be complacent. We could take lots from the game and the game would still be League, but the impact of the change is still big.

I think you're criminally underestimating the pull of big hits to the neutral observer. I wouldn't be here now if not for the attraction of biffs and big hits. I won't talk about fans because fans get over it, nobody likes the steady decline of all-in brawls, but the fan loves the game too much to walk away from it. However...

As a late bloomer(I only was introduced to and started watching League in my late teens) I think some of you have far too high an opinion of the sport - and I say that as someone who's watched several games a week for the last, probably 6 years... But we need to be realistic here.

Rugby League, like American football, is a sport for the fan, especially the hardcore fan. If you're raised on the sport you can't see it, because you know the sport and know how awesome it is, just like American football fans, but I have to tell you... It's(League) not something that, at its core, is awe-inspiring for a neutral, it just isn't mate. The aspect of the game that neutral observers are drawn to is the undeniable physicality, the macho-nature of the sport. Newcomers often watch the sport for that, and they grow to love everything else in the process. Whether you think it(shoulder charges) matters or not, it does to the uninitiated - and we've just lost a big part of that.

Some of you won't like to here this, but to the first time viewer Rugby League isn't a particularly easy sport to watch, even compared to Union it can be tedious. Trust me when I say it can be slow, repetitive and uninspiring. More than you'd care to acknowledge, it's the physicality and violence, not the football skill, that hooks new people in.

From an expansion and global popularity point of view, I really worry that changes like this will set us back significantly. I've talked a lot of shit in this thread and I talk a lot of shit generally, but I'm honestly concerned what the implications of this ban will be, if it's to be enforced properly. Not to mention future changes to the game that could be coming with player safety in mind.

I expect I'll be bagged for this as most here were raised on League, but to the first time viewer, Rugby League now has a lot less to offer. I say that because skill and all the little nuances that make League a marvelous code, they're not easily recognised by first time viewers, they're learned.

From here on out, the sport of League is fishing without much in the way of bait. That's just my opinion though
 

miguel de cervantes

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i agree with your opinion. there is a reason why when you type rugby league into youtube it comes up with the big hits. shoulder charges may represent a small part of the game but they are the hook in the song, the spring in springfield.
 

Springs

First Grade
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It comes down to this, if shoulder charges are even close to your favourite thing about rugby league, you're not a real fan. With the shoulder charge in or out, it so far down the list of reasons I watch the game that I haven't spent 2 minutes thinking about it since it got banned.

This is the greatest game of all, it is still the greatest game of all even without shoulder charges.

My favourite part of the game is the spirit. And the whole getting up from any hit is a big part of that spirit.
A big reason I'm respected at my club is because I'm small, a get hit a lot and I keep getting up. Now having so many of those hits penalised for a soft reason takes a lot away from that.
The big collision is a big part of our game. Banning the shoulder charge is going to result in many of these collisions being banned even if they aren't illegal. Already we see refs go overboard in penalising high tackles. I remember once Sam Burgess was penalised for tackling Pearce across the chest. It's going to become so inconsistent it will be a blight on the game.
 

hitman82

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http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/league/8073815/Leagues-big-names-to-rule-on-shoulder-charge
Rugby League's shift into a bad or bold new era - depending on whether you are a fan of the shoulder charge or not - was accelerated on Wednesday as some of the astute minds in the game met to discuss how the ban of the controversial tackling technique would be rolled out.

The NRL's competition committee met for almost five hours to discuss possible rule changes for next year's premiership, including how tight the guidelines would be around the shoulder charge, which has been banned by the ARL Commission.

Chiefly, the committee, which includes Newcastle coach Wayne Bennett, retired Queensland and Australian captain Darren Lockyer and new referees boss Daniel Anderson, discussed what will constitute a shoulder charge next season; for instance, whether front-on shoulder contact with an attacking player, and not just side-on contact, will be considered illegal next year.

Any recommendation made by the committee will be put to the final ARLC meeting of the year, next Tuesday, before they are signed.

They could save some of the damage by defining a shoulder charge as:
-side-on hit, with tackler's shoulder leading the impact
-deemed intentional use of shoulder as the leading point of contact
-"braced" shoulder/elbow
 

RL_Patriot

Juniors
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This makes no sense at all. I thought the whole point of a tackle was to drive your shoulder into your opponent, wether its head on or side on. Gonna see a lot of stupid penalties next season because of this
 

Frailty

First Grade
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I'm concerned with the group they have got to dictate how it will be policed...

Is it really fair that we have ONE current club coach be so influential with how it will be policed?
 

Springs

First Grade
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http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/league/8073815/Leagues-big-names-to-rule-on-shoulder-charge


They could save some of the damage by defining a shoulder charge as:
-side-on hit, with tackler's shoulder leading the impact
-deemed intentional use of shoulder as the leading point of contact
-"braced" shoulder/elbow

Use of the shoulder should always be the leading point of impact in a good tackle.

Honestly the banning should not have even been discussed until this meeting. The f**king ARL business suits had no right to ban something all the players didn't want banned without even consulting them. It's a blight on the game.
 

Pierced Soul

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I think the ARLC should watch the South Park episode "sarcastaball" to see what happens when you remove an integral part of the game because of PC fears. In this episode kick-off's at peewee grid iron are banned because they thought kids might get hurt - download it and see where tt leads
 
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Never mind that, the NFL are talking about banning kickoffs in the NFL as well.

So I guess we can expect the ARLC to follow suit and ban kicks offs in RL too, seeing as they base their decisions on what happens in American football.
 

hitman82

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Use of the shoulder should always be the leading point of impact in a good tackle.

Honestly the banning should not have even been discussed until this meeting. The f**king ARL business suits had no right to ban something all the players didn't want banned without even consulting them. It's a blight on the game.

Yeah, agreed.
I meant they should use those 3 combined factors in defining an illegal shoulder charge. Pretty much, I am trying to think of a definition which will mean f**k all shoulder charges are actually deemed illegal haha.
The shit thing is, the players apparently didn't bother voicing their objections until after the banning occured...
 

betcats

Referee
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Never mind that, the NFL are talking about banning kickoffs in the NFL as well.

So I guess we can expect the ARLC to follow suit and ban kicks offs in RL too, seeing as they base their decisions on what happens in American football.

What is their reasoning for this?
 
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They reckon players are more likely to get injured form kickoffs because players are more likely to be running full tilt at each other or something.

So basically the same as in RL kick offs. No one tell the ARLC.
 

betcats

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They reckon players are more likely to get injured form kickoffs because players are more likely to be running full tilt at each other or something.

So basically the same as in RL kick offs. No one tell the ARLC.

:crazy:

Soon the NFL will be considering banning players from playing because they are more likely to get injured while playing.
 

Springs

First Grade
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Yeah, agreed.
I meant they should use those 3 combined factors in defining an illegal shoulder charge. Pretty much, I am trying to think of a definition which will mean f**k all shoulder charges are actually deemed illegal haha.
The shit thing is, the players apparently didn't bother voicing their objections until after the banning occured...

I don't understand the whole 'didn't bother' thing.

If the ARLC asked them 'do you want the shoulder charge banned' they all would have said no straight away.

I think the outcome was clear from the start of the investigation or whatever they had. They don't care what the players or fans think.
 
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