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Commission to outlaw 'shoulder charge'

Should the Shoulder Charge be banned?


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flamin

Juniors
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I suppose a good question is how does the game currently work in NZ where they've already been playing with the shoulder charge banned? What is penalised? How does it change the dynamics of the game?
 

aqua_duck

Coach
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If we're going to do this why don't we ban lifting in tackles, there have been a lot worse incident come from lifting tackles gone wrong than shoulder charges and there's been careers ended and court cases from
players accidentally being dumped on their heads.
 
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If we're going to do this why don't we ban lifting in tackles, there have been a lot worse incident come from lifting tackles gone wrong than shoulder charges and there's been careers ended and court cases from
players accidentally being dumped on their heads.

Rugby Union hasn't banned them, that's probably about as legit an answer as you're likely to come up with.

just read this also

http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/...ses-challenge-to-the-data-20121123-29ypk.html

chief irb medical officer disputing most the data in the ARLC study. Supports the ban, but nonsenses some of the expert doctors we keep hearing about and their cliches
 

Hooch

Juniors
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It was always going to be junk science.

The moment they commission a report into it, it was clear they were angling to ban it.
 

Danish

Referee
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does union keep statistics on concussions? would be interested to see if concussions are much different before and after their ban.

I guarantee league concussions won't reduce at all in the coming years
 
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does union keep statistics on concussions? would be interested to see if concussions are much different before and after their ban.

I guarantee league concussions won't reduce at all in the coming years

With Rugby being amateur for so long I doubt it goes back that far.

It would be nice if we could have yearly concussion reports but i suspect we're right, if they were to do that we wouldn't see a real difference in numbers from previous to post 2013

Banning the shoulder charge will turn out to be a superficial act if there ever was one.
 
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If we always listened to doctors, boxing & MMA would be banned. The way the issue has been dealt with is pathetic. The issue is about contact with the head in games, the shoulder charge should not be singled out.
 

joshreading

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http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/...ses-challenge-to-the-data-20121123-29ypk.html

So... in conclusion. Stats regarding larger players mean nothing. Stats regarding GForce impact also mean nothing. The only stat that has any relevance in this discussion from a factual point is hits to the head.

Surely that means we should be specifically training players to pull off better Shoulder Charges? There are some great instinctive proponents. There is no reason we can't increase the number of Shoulder Charges whilst decreasing the number of head contact.

So... as we have been saying since the beginning, why is the issue not head contact?

Why are people like Peponis (Doctor) more concerned about gang tackles yet they have not been addressed? Why are players absolutely happy with the status quo yet the reactionary ARLC seem intent not to listen and fix the actual issue? Maybe they are more like Gallop's reactionary ways then they would like.
 

adamkungl

Immortal
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At least Gallop didn't have the balls to make massively shit decisions. Umm-ing and aaah-ing indfinitely would have been a far better response to the concussion non-issue.

Anyway, keep this thread going, the more fans that are pissed off about this the better.
 

miguel de cervantes

First Grade
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At least Gallop didn't have the balls to make massively shit decisions. Umm-ing and aaah-ing indfinitely would have been a far better response to the concussion non-issue.

Anyway, keep this thread going, the more fans that are pissed off about this the better.

The vast majority of fans are pissed off, but I don't think it will have any effect whatsoever. The NRL is not a democratic institution, it's now more than ever a money-making coorporation.
 

Springs

First Grade
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It's just so f**king stupid to make such a big decision with the spirit of the game and not care what the the players and fans think! The players and fans ARE the sport.
 

Seti

Juniors
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Clubs back ARLC shoulder ban
http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/league-news/clubs-back-arlc-on-shoulder-ban-20121128-2aedx.html

NRL clubs have thrown their support behind the ARL Commission's decision to ban the shoulder charge, despite the players' outrage over the crackdown.

At a meeting in Sydney on Wednesday, the club chief executives unanimously backed the controversial decision by the ARLC. Following the decision to ban the controversial tackle, NRL players were almost united in their anger over the move, but their bosses have sided with medical opinion and backed the commission.

The NRL's director of football operations, Nathan McGuirk, whose recommendation to the commission following a detailed report into the technique, was set to make a presentation to the group of club bosses, but ultimately was not required to. The clubs all agreed with the decision, despite players reacting so savagely to it.

''The CEOs were unanimous in endorsing the decision,'' an NRL spokesman said.

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NRL officials have already stated the decision will not be revisited, despite the players - and their union - expressing their opposition. The clubs' unanimous vote of confidence, though, adds even more finality to the decision, if indeed it needed it.

The NRL's competition committee is still to discuss how the ban will be policed, and which forms of shoulder contact it will apply to.

Still, the players might still have more success when it comes to their pay packets. The salary cap and grant for next year were discussed in greater depth by the chief executives at the meeting, with the Rugby League Players' Association still trying to secure a salary cap higher than $5 million as part of their ongoing collective bargaining agreement negotiations with NRL officials.

A meeting on Friday between the union and leading NRL officials is hoped to accelerate those negotiations around next year's salary cap.

During Wednesday's meeting at Rugby League Central, club bosses discussed the prospect of raising the cap higher than the $5 million - which has long been foreshadowed by NRL officials. The RLPA has not yet agreed to the $5 million cap for next year, and it's believed the association wants a salary cap of $6.5 million to be spread among a larger squad of 30 players.

In their final meeting for the year, the chief executives have also set a target of averaging 20,000 a game across the NRL by 2017.

''We have committed to a strategic target of averaging 20,000 fans a game by 2017 and to do so we need to look at the capacity we have and the experience we are offering,'' the NRL's interim chief executive, Shane Mattiske, said.

As part of the process, the NRL will over the next three months undertake research into the ''needs of clubs and fans in determining the most effective stadium strategy''. The strategy will also look at the scheduling of matches in non-traditional areas and regional areas.

''We are going to have to look at every aspect of our match day and matching games to the appropriate stadiums is at heart of that,'' Mattiske said.

''This isn't about moving every match to a major venue but it is about ensuring we have the strategies in place to play matches in the most appropriate location for that match.''

Meanwhile, Parramatta's long-serving official Craig Catterick has been made redundant by the Eels. The popular Catterick had been the Eels' long-time head trainer but was recently appointed to a role as football manager. However, he left the club on Monday.
 

firechild

First Grade
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This new rule is a positive for Matai.

now he will only hurt his next when he gets tackled.

Hurt his next what?

Matai isn't much of a shoulder charger at all, he uses his arms in tackles (hence the mistimed ones resulting in an arm to the jaw).
 

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