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Commission to outlaw 'shoulder charge'

Should the Shoulder Charge be banned?

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RufusRex

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Merrits - that was as deliberate a shoulder charge as you will ever see ... which raises the question

1. What was a deliberate act of foul play not sanctioned more heavily (sin bin for professional foul or send off)
2. Why have they decided that it is not a penalty try in those situations

Seems like the rule makers are unsure of themselves ... it is either fould play and should be penalised heavilty or it is a good hit .. the greyness of the rulings can only lead to inconsistency.
 
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Springs

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Why wasn't the Merritt's shoulder charge a penalty try? If he doesn't do it Sharks score. This is just a joke of a rule.

Merritt had his arm out as well. And there's been plenty of hits as big as it let go.
 
Perth Red

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Sad thing is last year it would have made the highlights real as an amazing big hit that saved a try. No one injured, fans and TV audience loving it, stupid stupid rule change.
 
Paullyboy

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Raiders got pinged for a shoulder charge that was about as dangerous as our attack all day.

It is an embarrassing rule that is policed completely randomly and I bet every cent there's going to be a big moment involving one in the origin or finals this year that will cause so much embarrassment for our game.
 
coolsteve

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Springs said:
Why wasn't the Merritt's shoulder charge a penalty try? If he doesn't do it Sharks score. This is just a joke of a rule.

Merritt had his arm out as well. And there's been plenty of hits as big as it let go.
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yup, maybe a few penalty tries might slow this thing up
 
Frailty

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Bigger question why was Merritt not charged when it clearly came into contact with the player's head?
 
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Billythekid

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Patorick said:
Bump.

And THAT is why the shoulder charge is banned.

Next question?
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The exact same thing could have happened with or without a shoulder charge. When you come in late and take a cheap shot like that you can cause injuries. The problem here isn't the style of tackle it's the fact that it's a late cheap shot.

This isn't an isolated incident and we have seen plenty of players injured in similar ones without shoulder charges.

The funniest thing about this whole rule change is the way all you dumb f*cks now have to try and blindly defend it. You had no problem with them before but now that the NRL says we're going to ban them (with no evidence as to why) you are all trying to defend them for no reason. Can you seriously not think for yourselves?

kmav23 said:
if the NFL bans it due to legal/medical reasons then NRL has no choice
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Ok once more for the slow people like kmav who still can't get this through their thick skull. The NRL isn't the NFL, they are completely different sports and any evidence used to ban this type of tackle in the NFL doesn't apply here.

The situation facing both sports and the way each countries legal systems are set up is also completely different. One of the big reasons the NFL is being sued is because they had evidence that these tackles were dangerous and hid it from the players.

Until the NRL conducts it's own research into this issue then there is no basis for the ban. We all know what is dangerous, hitting players recklessly in the head. This is already banned and this new ban will do nothing to add to player safety ESPECIALLY when the rule is only selectively enforced.
 
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kmav23

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Pugzley said:
Why do we want to imitate a litigacious shithole like the US?
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legal/medical precedents in america are closely followed in majority of cases

The NFL can afford the best lawyers ( they are a billion dollar sport) and they advise to ban it
 
kmav23

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Billythekid said:
The exact same thing could have happened with or without a shoulder charge. When you come in late and take a cheap shot like that you can cause injuries. The problem here isn't the style of tackle it's the fact that it's a late cheap shot.

This isn't an isolated incident and we have seen plenty of players injured in similar ones without shoulder charges.

The funniest thing about this whole rule change is the way all you dumb f*cks now have to try and blindly defend it. You had no problem with them before but now that the NRL says we're going to ban them (with no evidence as to why) you are all trying to defend them for no reason. Can you seriously not think for yourselves?



Ok once more for the slow people like kmav who still can't get this through their thick skull. The NRL isn't the NFL, they are completely different sports and any evidence used to ban this type of tackle in the NFL doesn't apply here.

The situation facing both sports and the way each countries legal systems are set up is also completely different. One of the big reasons the NFL is being sued is because they had evidence that these tackles were dangerous and hid it from the players.

Until the NRL conducts it's own research into this issue then there is no basis for the ban. We all know what is dangerous, hitting players recklessly in the head. This is already banned and this new ban will do nothing to add to player safety ESPECIALLY when the rule is only selectively enforced.
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Once more for ignorant people like yourself


All 16 clubs doctors sign letter to NRL to Ban it !!

not 1 not 2 all of them

The Lawyers for the NRL would of said Holy cow BAN IT BAN IT !!!

NRL has no choice but to follow the legal advice or be sued
 
adamkungl

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Sued by who?

There are a total of 0 players with known long term injuries as a result of a shoulder charge!

It isn't even banned in the NFL :lol: Why are you using them as an example
 
afinalsin666

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Come on Kmav, we've heard the club doctors have signed off on it.

The thing we are saying, is that the doctors did no scientific study declaring that the shoulder charge is more dangerous than a normal tackle. They assumed, and yes, we can kind of believe in them, because they are doctors. No one is claiming that doctors don't know what they are talking about.

But for such a drastic action, you would think that there would be an extended, unbiased (meaning no NRL club doctors), independent study, related directly to this sport of no pads or protection, where it is illegal to take out a player in most cases where he is not ready (was legal in NFL, players getting absolutely smashed from behind, etc).

Everyone assumes the shoulder charge is worse than a normal tackle, but IT. IS. NOT. PROVEN. It is a hypothesis, of 16 different doctors, but no hard evidence to back it up.

And the NFL study can not be used, because of the pads. You can fly into players a lot harder, and with much less risk to yourself in NFL, than you can League.




They should have outlawed the defender outstretching an arm to try to catch a player. How many pectoral tears have there been in the last couple years? More than injuries off charges.
 
DC_fan

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adamkungl said:
Sued by who?

There are a total of 0 players with known long term injuries as a result of a shoulder charge!

It isn't even banned in the NFL :lol: Why are you using them as an example
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The problem is not right now. The problem will be in around 10-20 years from now. When ex-players know their dementia is from more then just growing old. And we aren't even touching on any other mental condition caused by knocks to the head. Then you will see players suing the ARLC for not setting in place laws of the game to protect them. If you want to sit here and pretend it will nit happen then you are kidding yourself.

As for the NFL, well its going to happen their much sooner then it will here. Junior Seau one of the toughest players ever killed himself last May. He suffered from a number of concussions during his career. It took a toll on him. Earlier this year his family sued the NFL over brain injuries. http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/20...seau.lawsuit.3rd.ld.writethru.1070/index.html
 
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