Commission to outlaw 'shoulder charge'

[adamkungl]

Any and all usage of the NFL as valid evidence will be rightly disregarded as the irrelevant nonsense that it is.

 

[DC_fan]

Any and all usage of the NFL as valid evidence will be rightly disregarded as the irrelevant nonsense that it is.

Because American Football, Rugby Union, Rugby League and Australian Rules all have one thing in common. They are body contact sports. With a lot of contact to the head.

 

[umina panther]

Please dont ever compare league to AFL

 

[DC_fan]

Please dont ever compare league to AFL

My comparison only relates to them being both body contact sports.

Like it or not in the next couple of years their will be changes to how body contact sports will be played.

 

[aqua_duck]

Junior Seau is such a bad example, he was a linebacker, the amount of times he would've been on the end of a shoulder charge you could count on 1 hand. IMO the NFL players suffer concussions because of the way they tackle, the helmet gives them a false sense of security and a lot of the time when they tackle they lead with their heads

 

[anjado]

The point would be valid if the game had been around for less time than American Football. But Rugby League has been around for over 110 years and how many deaths have come to pass in that time due to concussion symptoms i am guessing 0 ?

People are basically saying the game was a piece of piss 20 years ago and wasn't tough at all. If people really cared about concussions they would of tried other things i.e reducing interchanges back to 4 players.

So you need a deal of stamina to play the game instead of one play pause for a minute another play pause for a minute like the NFL is.

The games are completely different and it annoys me that people cannot see that.

Also the shoulder charge hasn't been banned they know it is a stupid rule and are barely enforcing it. I have seen at least a dozen shoulder charges not penalised this season.

 

[afinalsin666]

Junior Seau is such a bad example, he was a linebacker, the amount of times he would've been on the end of a shoulder charge you could count on 1 hand. IMO the NFL players suffer concussions because of the way they tackle, the helmet gives them a false sense of security and a lot of the time when they tackle they lead with their heads

+1

I've only seen one or two actual tackles in NFL. Granted, i haven't watched much, but most of it seems to be flying in with as much contact as possible. That wouldn't work in league, because on account of the no protection, players have a sense of self preservation, most of the time (The Segeyaro hit a few years back is the only example i can think of of an NFL style tackle in league).

 

[DC_fan]

Junior Seau is such a bad example, he was a linebacker, the amount of times he would've been on the end of a shoulder charge you could count on 1 hand. IMO the NFL players suffer concussions because of the way they tackle, the helmet gives them a false sense of security and a lot of the time when they tackle they lead with their heads

Well lets use an offensive player like former Cowboys quarterback Troy Aikman as an example. He suffered at least 10 concussions in his career. Concussion forced his retirement.

Concussion can happen to any NFL player regardless of position. It can also happen in any body contact sport such as League. It is up to each individual sports to make their sport as safe as possible to play.

 

[aqua_duck]

+1

I've only seen one or two actual tackles in NFL. Granted, i haven't watched much, but most of it seems to be flying in with as much contact as possible. That wouldn't work in league, because on account of the no protection, players have a sense of self preservation, most of the time (The Segeyaro hit a few years back is the only example i can think of of an NFL style tackle in league).

NFL is all about yardage, you very rarely see players tackling above the waist because they don't offload, it's all about chopping the legs and unfortunately a lot of players tackle by throwing themselves at the knees of a bloke who's 100kg+ and running at full speed

 

[aqua_duck]

Well lets use an offensive player like former Cowboys quarterback Troy Aikman as an example. He suffered at least 10 concussions in his career. Concussion forced his retirement.

Concussion can happen to any NFL player regardless of position. It can also happen in any body contact sport such as League. It is up to each individual sports to make their sport as safe as possible to play.

Aikman was a QB, he would've had 300lbs lineman hitting him when he's not looking, the amount of times I've seen a QB sacked with a shoulder charge type hit I could count on 1 hand and I've been watching NFL and college football for years

 

[aqua_duck]

if the NFL bans it due to legal/medical reasons then NRL has no choice

There is absolutely nothing to do with shoulder charges in the NFL case, it's about head to head contact, they've never even mentioned shoulder charges so please do abit more research before regurgitating what Says

 

[adamkungl]

Can any of the legal experts :lol: in here explain how it is possible for combat sports to exist if there was a legitimate threat of legal action?

 

[thorson1987]

Aikman was a QB, he would've had 300lbs lineman hitting him when he's not looking, the amount of times I've seen a QB sacked with a shoulder charge type hit I could count on 1 hand and I've been watching NFL and college football for years

There is absolutely nothing to do with shoulder charges in the NFL case, it's about head to head contact, they've never even mentioned shoulder charges so please do abit more research before regurgitating what Says

Can any of the legal experts :lol: in here explain how it is possible for combat sports to exist if there was a legitimate threat of legal action?

Come on guys, you know there is no point of using common sense in this thread.

 

[Whats Doing]

If a shoulder charge is used and it is body to body contact, then there is no concussion.

It is when there is body to head contact irrespective of what part of the body hits the head is when there is a problem. This is the same whether it is a normal tackle or shoulder charge.

Faoso tackle last night was dangerous, not because of the shoulder charge, but because it was late and from the blind side at an unsuspecting Harrison which at power caused whip lash of Harrison's head which resulted in the head clash.

 

[Trentosaurus]

He still pulled off a textbook shoulder charge which is now illegal. Whether you agree with the ban or not, Fa'aoso is in big trouble.

Also, Joey and Tooves are merkins. It doesn't matter that the head clash was what knocked Harrison out. Fa'aoso went for a blatantly illegal shoulder charge. He should have been sent. To suggest there was nothing in it is disgusting.

 

[adamkungl]

He still pulled off a textbook shoulder charge which is now illegal. Whether you agree with the ban or not, Fa'aoso is in big trouble.

Also, Joey and Tooves are merkins. It doesn't matter that the head clash was what knocked Harrison out. Fa'aoso went for a blatantly illegal shoulder charge. He should have been sent. To suggest there was nothing in it is disgusting.

It was a late dog shot. The shoulder charge is irrelevent.

Anyway, players can be suspended for a shoulder charge that makes contact with the head of a player.

A body shoulder charge, as far as I know, is not a suspendable offence.

However, there was a head clash and it was a late shot, so I suspect he'll be made an example of.

 

[Billythekid]

This thread is yet another easy way to tell who actually plays rugby league. It also shows which people are capable of even basic levels of comprehension with these continued comparisons to NFL which make no sense.

 

[DC_fan]

Aikman was a QB, he would've had 300lbs lineman hitting him when he's not looking, the amount of times I've seen a QB sacked with a shoulder charge type hit I could count on 1 hand and I've been watching NFL and college football for years

While this thread is about the shoulder charge, my messages are more concerned with concussion and the long term mental health problems it can cause.

As I said the football codes (League, Union, AFL and American Football) are all body contact sports. Each of them have problems with players suffering concussion. The difference is how the players get concussed in each of those sport. Of course you can't compare how an NRL and NFL player get concussed. The games are played too differently for that.

Without knowing the stats I would suggest a fair proportion of concussions in league are caused by the shoulder charge. Especially a shoulder charge gone wrong.

The big scare for the NFL is that players will sue them for possibly millions of dollars. It has started already with Junior Seau. It is the responsibility of the NFL to make the game as safe as possible for their players. If they don't opens up the chance for the players to take legal action.

The long term consequences of players suffering from concussions are just starting to surface. The ARLC needs to make the game as safe as possible for its players. If it doesn't then it opens up the chance that players could take legal action.

 

[DC_fan]

Can any of the legal experts :lol: in here explain how it is possible for combat sports to exist if there was a legitimate threat of legal action?

The best question asked all day. Would love to hear an answer to this question.

 

[Springs]

Well lets use an offensive player like former Cowboys quarterback Troy Aikman as an example. He suffered at least 10 concussions in his career. Concussion forced his retirement.

Concussion can happen to any NFL player regardless of position. It can also happen in any body contact sport such as League. It is up to each individual sports to make their sport as safe as possible to play.

What shit is that? So we should ban tackling, nfl should ban any collision at all. A contact sport is going to be dangerous.

The point is the shoulder charge ban is pointless. 99% of concussions do not happen from shoulder charges. Actually it would be more than that. How Many concussions have been the result of shoulder charges? And with the ban there has been just as many Headknocks as before. All we have now is stupid penalties for nothing. And the inconsistency is woeful.