Consolidation, reclamation and expansion with additional clubs in the NRL

[titoelcolombiano]

Again proving how dumb he is. Why bother reading about this product you’re buying when you can just assume and get outraged later?
I’m going to buy a Ferrari and bitch that I can take it out bush.

Would you also be astounded and puzzled?

 

[titoelcolombiano]

Cannot see why rugby league is not an option in such schools! Union is given opportunity everywhere however the genuine real world popularity of RL has rugby-league mostly prevailing(in Australia ). Seeing rugby league having such universal presence in schooling would be a big step forward for the code. If for you cannot see the merit in this? We fundamentally dissagree.

0.04% of schools in Australia and NRL scouts pick up the best talent and sign them from those schools anyway - not a big deal, move on.

 

[titoelcolombiano]

Probably would not be recognised as with the international sports accord body: GSAIF! Fools. You people are truelly innept in identifying fundamental issues facing rugby league. We battle on.......!

That's far from a human rights violation.

 

[Stallion]

Again proving how dumb he is. Why bother reading about this product you’re buying when you can just assume and get outraged later?
I’m going to buy a Ferrari and bitch that I can take it out bush.

Say it to Laurie Daley’s face. Ignoring this fact shows your careless and dismissive stance. It's not new .I've seen it all before. But it's dissappointing. The point being forgotten is that rugby league is not given a fair go in elite private schools yet other codes are. But some can't see this unfairness. Others do.

 

[Pommy]

Say it to Laurie Daley’s face. Ignoring this fact shows your careless and dismissive stance. It's not new .I've seen it all before. But it's dissappointing. The point being forgotten is that rugby league is not given a fair go in elite private schools yet other codes are. But some can't see this unfairness. Others do.

Say what to his face? You’re an idiot for not reading about your sons curriculum when deciding which school you are going to buy him a place at? There’s not much argument against my point that he is an idiot in this case.
I don’t think it’s unfair for private enterprises to decide what services they wish to sell to customers. It’s the. down to the consumer to push their needs on these providers. That’s literally how every other business works in our capitalist society, I don’t know why you think league should be the exception.

 

[The Great Dane]

We differ. My belief is that leaguetag is very useful in attracting more people to rugby league.You don't! We differ.

Except I had the statistics from local studies from multiple clubs in both codes (RL and RU) showing that the conversion rate of players from non-contact versions of the sport to contact versions is so negligible that it may as well not exist, meaning that in effect getting kids that aren't allowed to play full contact into non-contact first didn't have the effect that we all hoped and you are asserting to be the case of easing kids into the full game.

In other words I had evidence to support my position and you are just asserting yours to be fact.

I probably still have some of those findings around here somewhere, but I'm not going searching for them for a discussion on the internet. However, though I don't think the ones done by local clubs that I'm talking about were ever publicly released, I'm certain that if you looked around you could find full scientific studies done on the subject somewhere.

It's remarkable you see no benefit for the code in being played at elite private schools around Australia! I do. Remembering that the other codes have universal presence. The Brisbane example was an example of public lobbying that complained about the lack of choice in such private schools given that union , soccer and AFL were in the curriculum. Rugby league was not. Human rights issues were at play and the parents succeeded. That takes alot of lobbying and a worthy cause.Only through popular demand has rugly league got presence in public and Catholic schools (in Newcastle the Catholic rugby league presence is waining). Laurie Daley stated "Why can't his son, whom went to an elite private school,not be given the opportunity or choice to.play rugby league?" This is an important underlying issue for rugby-league and you would rather heckle my comment than promote a positive agenda for the code. We differ.

I never said that I see no benefit in RL being played at private schools, what I said is that there really isn't any way that the NRL can change the situation and therefore it's a waste of time to stress about it.

However Laurie Daley is in a position where he could change the situation (at his son's school at least), so if he is so upset about the situation then why doesn't he start a petition amongst the parents of the school, offer his services to get it off the ground, etc, etc.

And dude, being allowed to play RL (or any other sport for that matter) isn't a human right lol.

 

[The Great Dane]

Say what to his face? You’re an idiot for not reading about your sons curriculum when deciding which school you are going to buy him a place at? There’s not much argument against my point that he is an idiot in this case.
I don’t think it’s unfair for private enterprises to decide what services they wish to sell to customers. It’s the. down to the consumer to push their needs on these providers. That’s literally how every other business works in our capitalist society, I don’t know why you think league should be the exception.

To be fair private schools is a misnomer in Australia these days, as the supposedly private businesses basically get all the government grants that public schools get (and then some in a lot of cases) but maintain the right to set their own curriculum and charge entry.

It's a massive rort, but nothing is done about it because guess where most of the politician's, lobbyist's, rich donor's, etc, kid's go to school...

 

[Pommy]

To be fair private schools is a misnomer in Australia these days, as the supposedly private businesses basically get all the government grants that public schools get (and then some in a lot of cases) but maintain the right to set their own curriculum and charge entry.

It's a massive rort, but nothing is done about it because guess where most of the politician's, lobbyist's, rich donor's, etc, kid's go to school...

Still it doesn’t excuse him not doing some basic research when selecting a school for his children.
I also still maintain if there was real demand for league in these schools it would be there.
We never played union at school because there was no demand for it.

 

[Stallion]

Still it doesn’t excuse him not doing some basic research when selecting a school for his children.
I also still maintain if there was real demand for league in these schools it would be there.
We never played union at school because there was no demand for it.

At my high school we played rugby league and union. Gave everyone a decent choice and experience. To think elite private schools have this bigoted stance against rugby league is ridiculous in this day and age! Remembering that the other codes like AFL and soccer also have presence in these schools whilst rugby-league had and has none . Example of elite private schools not giving RL a go are Knox, Grammar, Joeys, all government private schools-GPS .......etc. Meanwhile other noted Catholic high schools offer both codes in their curriculum like Holy Cross, St Gregorys...... etc. Their is clearly something amiss and unfair within elite private schools and it needs to be sorted in the name of opportunity and fairness.

 

[Pommy]

At my high school we played rugby league and union. Gave everyone a decent choice and experience. To think elite private schools have this bigoted stance against rugby league is ridiculous in this day and age! Remembering that the other codes like AFL and soccer also have presence in these schools whilst rugby-league had and has none . Example of elite private schools not giving RL a go are Knox, Grammar, Joeys, all government private schools-GPS .......etc. Meanwhile other noted Catholic high schools offer both codes in their curriculum like Holy Cross, St Gregorys...... etc. Their is clearly something amiss and unfair within elite private schools and it needs to be sorted in the name of opportunity and fairness.

Don’t confuse your wants with needs.

 

[Stallion]

Say what to his face? You’re an idiot for not reading about your sons curriculum when deciding which school you are going to buy him a place at? There’s not much argument against my point that he is an idiot in this case.
I don’t think it’s unfair for private enterprises to decide what services they wish to sell to customers. It’s the. down to the consumer to push their needs on these providers. That’s literally how every other business works in our capitalist society, I don’t know why you think league should be the exception.

A completely ignorant stance! These schools you defend are allowing other codes and specifically not rugby league. You should be ashamed of yourself if you think this is not unfair! We differ absolutely on this!

 

[Stallion]

0.04% of schools in Australia and NRL scouts pick up the best talent and sign them from those schools anyway - not a big deal, move on.

Looks at it another way ? Perhaps factor in money invested , fees and potential influence at the top end of town? But no these things don't count in the "all is rosy world " you portray for rugby league.

 

[Stallion]

Still it doesn’t excuse him not doing some basic research when selecting a school for his children.
I also still maintain if there was real demand for league in these schools it would be there.
We never played union at school because there was no demand for it.

There has been plenty of questions asked why rugby league isn't given a go. Most of my mates that did go to elite private schools just assumed that's the way it is? In fact alot shrugged their shoulders and thought it was odd but followed the status quo. Plenty of high achieving students are missing out on the opportunity to play rugby league at the elite private schools of Australia . Keeping in mind the presence or chance to play all codes is prevalent in public schools and Catholic schools (Irish Catholic) Their is an inequity in this scenario. Some choose to defend the biggotry of the status quo. Others question this biggotry and seek fairness in all schools.

 

[Stallion]

Don’t confuse your wants with needs.

For the true and genuine progress of rugby league this scenario NEEDS addressing and remedy! No confusion there champ!

 

[The Great Dane]

Still it doesn’t excuse him not doing some basic research when selecting a school for his children.

Never said that it did.

I also still maintain if there was real demand for league in these schools it would be there.
We never played union at school because there was no demand for it.

Again to be fair, at most private schools to graduate the students have to take part in extracurricular activities at the schools, i.e. play for one of the schools sport teams, play in the school band, etc, and if there isn't a RL program then there isn't much the kids can do about it.

Back in the day it used to be worse because the schools wouldn't allow their students to play sports for anyone other than the school, so you ended up with a situation where kids were being forced to play sports they didn't want to play and were being prevented from playing sports for other groups, but the schools around here at least have backed off on that, and now kids can play sports outside of the school's programs as long as it doesn't interfere with the school's programs and they are still participating in a school program as well.

 

[The Great Dane]

For the true and genuine progress of rugby league this scenario NEEDS addressing and remedy! No confusion there champ!

You keep saying that over and over, but you never propose a solution!

So how to you propose that the NRL force the private schools to start RL programs?

 

[Stallion]

You keep saying that over and over, but you never propose a solution!

So how to you propose that the NRL force the private schools to start RL programs?

Publicly bringing this unfairness to general public awareness. This scenario is not common knowledge. Their are plenty of people whom don't know that this is what's happening against rugby league in elite private schools. As it becomes more public the elite schools are questioned as to their sports curriculum. This pressure should bring about positive change in these elite private schools just like in the independent Brisbane private schools in 2018.

 

[Pommy]

Never said that it did.


Again to be fair, at most private schools to graduate the students have to take part in extracurricular activities at the schools, i.e. play for one of the schools sport teams, play in the school band, etc, and if there isn't a RL program then there isn't much the kids can do about it.

Back in the day it used to be worse because the schools wouldn't allow their students to play sports for anyone other than the school, so you ended up with a situation where kids were being forced to play sports they didn't want to play and were being prevented from playing sports for other groups, but the schools around here at least have backed off on that, and now kids can play sports outside of the school's programs as long as it doesn't interfere with the school's programs and they are still participating in a school program as well.

But if there’s no program that suggests that the parents who are paying a lot of money don’t want it or don’t care enough to try and change it. It’s the parents that are the customers not the children.

 

[Pommy]

For the true and genuine progress of rugby league this scenario NEEDS addressing and remedy! No confusion there champ!

I don’t know how much progress you really think would take place. You’re looking at such a small number of potential people and the actual number who would take it up if offered would be an even smaller number.
I would like to see it happen but I don’t think you would be able to measure the progress I would make.
Rugby league is the most popular code in NSW with this human rights violation taking place, what’s going to change?

 

[The Great Dane]

Publicly bringing this unfairness to general public awareness. This scenario is not common knowledge. Their are plenty of people whom don't know that this is what's happening against rugby league in elite private schools. As it becomes more public the elite schools are questioned as to their sports curriculum. This pressure should bring about positive change in these elite private schools just like in the independent Brisbane private schools in 2018.

So basically you're not actually going to do anything about it, you just hope that if you whinge enough somebody might actually tackle it...

But if there’s no program that suggests that the parents who are paying a lot of money don’t want it or don’t care enough to try and change it. It’s the parents that are the customers not the children.

I don't necessarily disagree with everything that you are saying, but you are massively oversimplifying the situation.

Private schools that have RL programs are basically unicorns, so it's not as simple as the parents reading the curriculum and picking a private school that has a RL program, because in most areas there are no private schools with RL programs at all.

There're deep cultural and socioeconomic factors at play in this situation, and to try to simplify it to 'well the parents should have picked one with a RL program' is stupid.