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News Coronavirus and NRL

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Because this is evolving day by day, hour to hour. The medical profession is still learning about this virus. The bio security person then applies the newest information to the NRL scenario & apply those decisions to what is in the NRL’s best interest. This needed to be explained?

Ok so by that logic they’ll never be able to make a decision as it’ll forever be changing. Make a decision with the facts you have now ffs, not rocket science
 

Jackie Treehorn

Juniors
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ideally you’d want somewhere with lowest incidence rates, lots of accomodation and decent numerous training facilities. If you could have two sites with eight clubs at each site reasonably close to each other that might work for next 2-3 weeks till the panic subsides. Quarantine the players away from anyone other than in the club.

What if one of them gets it anyway? Still very possible given how quick the virus spreads. Then they’re all going to go down with it.

This idea of sticking them all in together in some humid tropical town is very much a half baked one at this point.
 

Jackie Treehorn

Juniors
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Useless comment.

I'm not claiming to have facts which turn out to be from Facebook. Im suggesting social media is a good way to test whether the press conference passed the pub test which you implied it would not have, being on a "sunday morning" show. As far as i can see, the conference did achieve something.

Again you claimed it would achieve nothing / next to nothing. Yet as i watch said Sunday sports show you now have commentators defending the decision to continue due to the financial risks of not continuing. Achieved nothing eh?

I’m not even sure what you’re talking about at this point. If you think facebook is a good barometer of anything then good luck to you I guess.
 

beave

Coach
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Yep, normally @beave is on the money, but you can't begrudge people who are concerned about their future, asking for refunds.

The clubs are going to be facing financial hardships as well mate. As I said, these fans will no doubt get something back in return once this dust settles, but asking for immediate compo in these early stages is just jumping the gun for mine. Let the clubs focus on keeping the comp and clubs going and then worry about the compo later.
 

wibble

Bench
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But 1 club is not as important as 15 other clubs, nor as important as 300+ players that will have their income affected, or a whole competition that will have its funding affected.



The media is alarmist and so are you. Where is 6 months income going to come from? Some people might be able to do a month at most, many people cannot work from home. We're allowed to go to the shops? Where the f**k is the food going to come from to stock the shops? I live in a small town that's 65km away from the nearest supermarket, and I run a petrol station in said town. Am I allowed to stay open so people can get fuel to go to the shops? Or from the other angle, am I required to stay open so people can get fuel (an essential service) risking exposure to myself and myself exposing others to the virus?? It's not as simple as 'everyone just stay home all winter'.

South Korea did not impose a lockdown like Italy
https://www.forbes.com/sites/carlie...wn-but-with-nearly-250000-tests/#77e535de576b

China's lockdown was not as long as 6 f**king months and it was not the whole country.

Your quibbling over the term lockdown. Call it social distancing if you like. Call it voluntary, it doesn't matter, it is the same idea.

No country has allowed essential services to stop, nor should they.

Some countries play around with the formula. In Japan, they have closed schools except some allow kids of medical and essential services workers to school, so that those workers don't have to stay home to mind their kids.

Some countries are fortunate in that they can isolate an area and not have the whole country in social distancing at once. If you are in a very rural region of Australia, you might be lucky and just keeping people out of your town or village may work instead of social distancing (on the down side, you are unlikely to have the intensive care and breathing assistance technology nearby needed if you do get a severe case).

South Korea though, has absolutely shut down in a way that we haven't yet. Schools closed, people not going to cinemas, cafes, gyms. No public gatherings. And yes, they have been innovative with tracking cases and testing. They are also the most technologically advanced society on in the world, so this shouldn't be too surprising. But they are staying home just like we will be.

Saying China didn't all "lock down" is disingenuous. Hundreds of millions of people did. They are like 50 Australias, and the 10 or so with infections locked down. And the rest will too, eventually.

Why would you say the lockdown wasn't as long as 6 months? It isn't over yet. No one is precisely sure how long extreme social distancing has to go for (if you prefer that term to lockdown). I have suggested months, not 6 f**cking months.

I certainly don't know how long it has to be, but if we start extreme social distancing in two months in Australia (it may be earlier than that as the 50 new cases in two days shows we are further along than I thought) and it went for 2 months that would see us through most of flu season.

There will almost certainly be gradual lifting in some places as an "experiment" and the rest of the world will look on. The people that make that call will be desperately hoping they don't get it wrong, and if it is just left to people to decide for themselves, communities will be hoping their members get that call right.

In Beijing, which has had two and a half months of social distancing but not much coronavirus, people are starting to go back to public spaces.

The UK are experimenting and not doing it yet, arguing that people will get sick of it and not follow it after 3 months, so they will do it when the peak is closer. They are a few weeks behind Italy, and are experimenting with the timing, but they still see extreme social distancing as their eventual fate.

I think it is a bold experiment. I wish them luck. I fear they will be another Italy very soon.

But you are right. Social distancing is coming at a great cost.

Plenty of people will be down a lot of money. Businesses will close. Worldwide, an increase in poverty from the economic shocks will kill many people, but those statistics will hardly be noted, just studied by "lefty" sociologists in future years.

Hopefully you will be in a position where you can work from home, but if not, you will likely rely on welfare for some period of time this year (which will cost the government many extra billions this year). Maybe for a while, restricting public transport and staggering work schedules will help for a while.

If you are a fly in, fly out mine worker, you might just keep working as normal. Each job and each country will have its own peculiar circumstances.

But I guarantee that in Australia, schools and universities will close for some time. If that doesn't do enough (which is probably the case, unless we suddenly get a lot more testing kits, and a lot more hospital beds) then "non essential" businesses will close. Businesses may make the call themselves, or governments may have to tell them. I can't tell how authoritarian the government will be on this. They probably don't yet know themselves.

But that will probably mean cinemas, cafes, restaurants and other work places where people gather, that are not essential, will close. Governments will probably shut most their own offices, but require workers to work from home where possible. Plenty of other office based jobs can do this also. Retail based jobs will just plummet, as sales will be next to impossible for a while, except of essential items.

Australia is less predictable since we will have a flu season at the same time. I urge everyone to absolutely get the flu vaccine when it comes out, probably much earlier than it normally does (I think it is going to be out in 2 or 3 weeks, and if you get it then, which you should, you may need another around July, which you should also do).

But this may make us worse than other countries, so this winter we may be very isolated.

You are right to be worried about people's economic futures. It will be a tough year.

You can argue about "lockdown" vs "social distancing", and argue about how long it will happen for. We don't know precisely what it will look like (already it looks like no crowds and no NZ Warriors in the NRL) or how long it will last.

The more extreme and earlier we do it the shorter it probably has to be, but I don't see any signs yet that Australia feels like this is a threat we have to properly deal with, so it will be weeks or even months before we have the sort of "non lockdown" that South Korea has, where no one goes to cinemas, restaurants, or public spaces with other people. But we, too, will get there (I hope we don't. I hope there is a vaccine, but there won't be. I hope we contain it, but we haven't. I hope just stopping crowds will slow it enough, but it won't.)
 

big hit!

Bench
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What crap mate, of course people are asking for compensation. They have bills and uncertainty about their future too. On Friday I lost access to 3 music festivals, a couple of concerts and at least one round of football. That is thousands of $ mate. I am now also uncertain about the prospects of my business, why shouldn't I expect a return for services that organisations are now unable to provide?

I disagree. Even though I will probably get nothing back for my season ticket if the comp is suspended, I'd consider it an investment in the footy club I support. They can keep the money. Yes I can understand if an individual's own financial security issues mean that $150 is required to keep their family fed and bills paid, but if you're down to $150 then things are fairly hairy.

Music Festivals? I generally go based on the line-up. I don't support them indefinitely like I do my footy club.
 

unforgiven

Bench
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Yep, normally @beave is on the money, but you can't begrudge people who are concerned about their future, asking for refunds.
Yeah I actually felt bad calling him on it as I usually respect his opinion greatly. This is going to send people into bankruptcy, they should be fighting to get a return on any money they have paid out that now has service that can not be fulfilled!
 

unforgiven

Bench
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The clubs are going to be facing financial hardships as well mate. As I said, these fans will no doubt get something back in return once this dust settles, but asking for immediate compo in these early stages is just jumping the gun for mine. Let the clubs focus on keeping the comp and clubs going and then worry about the compo later.
It might be jumping the gun for you, but what about the guy who is about to lose his job over this? Potentially lose his house or his business? Should he not fight to save those over making what now is a donation to a footy club?
 

Pommy

Coach
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Ok so by that logic they’ll never be able to make a decision as it’ll forever be changing. Make a decision with the facts you have now ffs, not rocket science

I bet you’re lining up at coles to clear out the bog roll every morning.
Just because Wayne Bennett has suggested moving to Townsville doesn’t mean it’s actually a plan that going to work.
They’ve hired experts to advise them; they have to work the problem through stop shitting the bed.
 

unforgiven

Bench
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I disagree. Even though I will probably get nothing back for my season ticket if the comp is suspended, I'd consider it an investment in the footy club I support. They can keep the money. Yes I can understand if an individual's own financial security issues mean that $150 is required to keep their family fed and bills paid, but if you're down to $150 then things are fairly hairy.

Music Festivals? I generally go based on the line-up. I don't support them indefinitely like I do my footy club.
My membership is a family membership worth over $1000. I actually do support bands like I do my footy club, the 3 festivals I was going to are all the same lineup at various venues. That is how I do my trips away, go see bands.

I am glad you can see your membership as an investment to your club, I don't make $1000 donations to professional organisations when I cannot afford to!
 

beave

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What crap mate, of course people are asking for compensation. They have bills and uncertainty about their future too. On Friday I lost access to 3 music festivals, a couple of concerts and at least one round of football. That is thousands of $ mate. I am now also uncertain about the prospects of my business, why shouldn't I expect a return for services that organisations are now unable to provide?

Mate i feel you, we had the threat of our opening game in Tvl at our brand new stadium being shut out to all us fans. I had probably $1k invested into the weekend between flights and hotels and game tickets and I repeat what i said on Friday, it would be disappointing if it got shit canned but i understand the focus reasoning but it doesn’t make it any easier to swallow. So i feel your pain as I was nearly there in my own situation.

I’m not saying people don’t deserve compensation
over being locked out, I even said that the Roosters (or whatever club) would sort out the people with memberships once the dust settles. People are just so f**king quick to bitch and moan as their first reaction to situations likes this (not saying you are) but there’s bigger shit at play here. The clubs run on a fine line budget wise and have a massive amount of shit on their plate right now, everyone needs to calm their tits tbh.

This whole situation is not the fault of the clubs.
 

Perth Red

Post Whore
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What if one of them gets it anyway? Still very possible given how quick the virus spreads. Then they’re all going to go down with it.

This idea of sticking them all in together in some humid tropical town is very much a half baked one at this point.

thers only 250 cases nationally, it’s more likely they won’t. And even if one does it doesn’t mean to say they all will have it if precautions have been taken. You can also test quickly if they are all on on site.
 

unforgiven

Bench
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’m not saying people don’t deserve compensation
over being locked out, I even said that the Roosters (or whatever club) would sort out the people with memberships once the dust settles. People are just so f**king quick to bitch and moan as their first reaction to situations likes this (not saying you are) but there’s bigger shit at play here. The clubs run on a fine line budget wise and have a massive amount of shit on their plate right now, everyone needs to calm their tits tbh.

This whole situation is not the fault of the clubs.
But just like the clubs those households are operating on a fine line budget, many don't have the time to wait for the dust to settle, personally I'm ok, I should be able to scrape through this but that extra couple of $1000 I can recoup through those cancellations might be the difference between me keeping all my employees employed or having to let someone go because I will be dipping into my personal savings to keep the business afloat.

Others are going to be in a position where they are fighting to keep their house, should they lose their house while they wait for the dust to settle or chase what they can to stay afloat?

Just saying those asking about refunds may not be doing so because they are selfish, they may need to based on the new environment we all find ourselves in. I have no choice but to seek a partial refund.
 

SLRBRONCOS

Referee
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In all seriousness. Can someone please explain to me how this virus has spread to Tom Hanks and his wife, an EPL Player, Justin Tredueuauuauua's wife, some pom member of parliament and a member of the Brazilian President's entourage within 20weeks while BYPASSING the majority of us?

I think there would be thousands out there that just thought their headache and sore throat was a hangover or sinus issues.
 

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