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Craig Young and personal reference for Finch

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He still reaffirmed he would support Finch. Should have left that last paragraph out, in the press release. I guess he did not learn.
Yeah really good point, it was a doubling down of his self justification and is entirely incongruous with his previous “error of judgment” submission.

I think he’s been tapped on the shoulder and is feeling the effects of what he sees as betrayal at the highest levels.

In his long career in officialdom, I’d imagine he would have been on the other side of a fracas and part of the scheming, swinging the axe, an executioner.

Now it’s his turn.

And he’s going down fighting (in his mind).

This whole release from Craig, well in my mind, his enemies will take comfort that it seems to justify every knife they plunged into his back.

A lesson in crisis management “ how not to handle things “ from Craig’s view.

My view is that they were only too pleased to accept his statement because they knew it was rubbish and make a bad impression for him.
 
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matPORTS

Juniors
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It's unfortunate that it had to come this, and very sad how things have transpired.

Yes, Albert is a legend of the club as a player. Whilst somewhat flawed as a coach and in the various other off field roles he has performed, there is no denying that he has been a good servant of the club.

Hopefully this is just the start of some fresh blood and people with 21st Century business nous coming into the boardroom.

The most frustrating thing of all - we are just a middle of the road club in the greater context of the game, and have been so for way too long. Unfortunately this has created a mentality at board/management level whereby they don't really need to improve or take risks in order to get the club moving up the rungs. This same mentality has spread to the football team with conservative recruitment and conservative week-to-week player selections. In summary - people have been sitting on their hands for far too long getting paid big money in doing so. There is no incentive to improve and we make conservative decisions in all areas of the club to ensure we don't stoop too low.

Those usual culprits who are at the top year in and year out - the motivation is to stay on that perch. Clubs who have been down the bottom in recent times, the motivation is to get out of that rut and moves are being made to make that happen (at least from what we see outside looking in).
 
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It's unfortunate that it had to come this, and very sad how things have transpired.

Yes, Albert is a legend of the club as a player. Whilst somewhat flawed as a coach and in the various other off field roles he has performed, there is no denying that he has been a good servant of the club.

Hopefully this is just the start of some fresh blood and people with 21st Century business nous coming into the boardroom.

The most frustrating thing of all - we are just a middle of the road club in the greater context of the game, and have been so for way too long. Unfortunately this has created a mentality at board/management level whereby they don't really need to improve or take risks in order to get the club moving up the rungs. This same mentality has spread to the football team with conservative recruitment and conservative week-to-week player selections. In summary - people have been sitting on their hands for far too long getting paid big money in doing so. There is no incentive to improve and we make conservative decisions in all areas of the club to ensure we don't stoop too low.

Those usual culprits who are at the top year in and year out - the motivation is to stay on that perch. Clubs who have been down the bottom in recent times, the motivation is to get out of that rut and moves are being made to make that happen (at least from what we see outside looking in).
Yes.

Yet most Wests Tigers fans would kill to have your board running our show.

Hook? ffs…Look at our future head coach:

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Hook is Jack Gibson compared to this brain dead juvenile pantless imbecile.

Got the job on the Finch snr matey basis. Sad.
 

SnowDragon

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I’m not sure I’m in the majority here, but I have no problem with the letter young wrote, except for the dragons letter head. His explanation was spot on, and his resigning was correct. His mistake was using the dragons letter head, he paid a price, it’s 100% clear now it was a personal letter. Move on.
 

Generalzod

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Yeah really good point, it was a doubling down of his self justification and is entirely incongruous with his previous “error of judgment” submission.

I think he’s been tapped on the shoulder and is feeling the effects of what he sees as betrayal at the highest levels.

In his long career in officialdom, I’d imagine he would have been on the other side of a fracas and part of the scheming, swinging the axe, an executioner.

Now it’s his turn.

And he’s going down fighting (in his mind).

This whole release from Craig, well in my mind, his enemies will take comfort that it seems to justify every knife they plunged into his back.

A lesson in crisis management “ how not to handle things “ from Craig’s view.

My view is that they were only too pleased to accept his statement because they knew it was rubbish and make a bad impression for him.
Craig to me epitomizes what St George is about, but seriously giving a bloke a character reference on St George letter head is a bit strange considering he was a former detective...
 

R&WTILLIDIE

First Grade
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It's unfortunate that it had to come this, and very sad how things have transpired.

Yes, Albert is a legend of the club as a player. Whilst somewhat flawed as a coach and in the various other off field roles he has performed, there is no denying that he has been a good servant of the club.

Hopefully this is just the start of some fresh blood and people with 21st Century business nous coming into the boardroom.

The most frustrating thing of all - we are just a middle of the road club in the greater context of the game, and have been so for way too long. Unfortunately this has created a mentality at board/management level whereby they don't really need to improve or take risks in order to get the club moving up the rungs. This same mentality has spread to the football team with conservative recruitment and conservative week-to-week player selections. In summary - people have been sitting on their hands for far too long getting paid big money in doing so. There is no incentive to improve and we make conservative decisions in all areas of the club to ensure we don't stoop too low.

Those usual culprits who are at the top year in and year out - the motivation is to stay on that perch. Clubs who have been down the bottom in recent times, the motivation is to get out of that rut and moves are being made to make that happen (at least from what we see outside looking in).
Great post mate. However, you’re giving this club too much credit. Middle of the road club would be an improvement. We are bottom of the barrel. Everything in this club reeks of mediocrity.
 

R&WTILLIDIE

First Grade
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Craig to me epitomizes what St George is about, but seriously giving a bloke a character reference on St George letter head is a bit strange considering he was a former detective...
Yes mate. If these are the types of decisions that a bloke at the top would make. Then it shows why the club is in so much trouble. Even blind Freddy could see it’s a horrendous idea to write a reference letter for an accused pedo using St George letterhead. It’s crazy he thought there was no issue.
 

R&WTILLIDIE

First Grade
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I’m not sure I’m in the majority here, but I have no problem with the letter young wrote, except for the dragons letter head. His explanation was spot on, and his resigning was correct. His mistake was using the dragons letter head, he paid a price, it’s 100% clear now it was a personal letter. Move on.
Fair enough mate. I have no issue in him writing a reference for someone he’s known all his life as well. The St George letterhead was a huge mistake. I also think he shouldn’t have said that Finch is highly remorseful, that he has learnt his lesson, and that he is a highly decent young man. How would he really know if he’s remorseful? Is he just remorseful that he was caught? And How can someone be a decent young man if they are trying to score kiddy porn?
 
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Old Timer

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Marvellous how the press have got us all navel gazing and concentrating on somewhat irrelevant things.

If Albert hadn’t stood down in reality who in this place was going to stop following the club or hand his / her membership back?

Many worse things than this have happened and the vast majority of us are still here supporting the club and the only thing that really happens is we put another entry in the column called dumbf**kery committed by our BOD.

The hysteria this has created is designed to get our backs up so we voice our negativity against all things StGI and the media love it.

Albert has done the wrong thing but I do not agree with the absurd posts about him supporting a pedophile.

He went out on a limb to support a longtime friend and rightfully he has paid a hefty price for it.

If this issue has been the thing we should most focus on then we really do have no idea as the situation was always going to resolve in the proper manner.

We just wanted to remain negative and create unwarranted hysteria about it and yet again the media have got the exact result they were looking for.
 

possm

Coach
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Marvellous how the press have got us all navel gazing and concentrating on somewhat irrelevant things.

If Albert hadn’t stood down in reality who in this place was going to stop following the club or hand his / her membership back?

Many worse things than this have happened and the vast majority of us are still here supporting the club and the only thing that really happens is we put another entry in the column called dumbf**kery committed by our BOD.

The hysteria this has created is designed to get our backs up so we voice our negativity against all things StGI and the media love it.

Albert has done the wrong thing but I do not agree with the absurd posts about him supporting a pedophile.

He went out on a limb to support a longtime friend and rightfully he has paid a hefty price for it.

If this issue has been the thing we should most focus on then we really do have no idea as the situation was always going to resolve in the proper manner.

We just wanted to remain negative and create unwarranted hysteria about it and yet again the media have got the exact result they were looking for.
Most of us on here are rusted-on Dragon supporters.

The only navel-gazing is done by some Board members who have their snouts in the trough instead of their minds on the job.

Albert has done far worse things but they were not evidenced or admitted to in the way this 'mistake' was. He had finally tripped himself up and lucky for us, he stepped down because he could not justify his action.

There is more to be done to turn around this club but at least now the prospect of Dean Young coaching in 2024 is probably in doubt. So we need to act quickly to sign Hasler on a 3-year deal to ensure the onfield side of the club can be turned around.

If the Club signs Brown (recruitment and pathways), we should have a good talent pathway and a good recruitment program: especially with players who might want to move from Manly.
 

matPORTS

Juniors
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Great post mate. However, you’re giving this club too much credit. Middle of the road club would be an improvement. We are bottom of the barrel. Everything in this club reeks of mediocrity.

Agree with this sentiment.

I probably should have said - at best (and we would be relying on a lot going right for us in a season i.e. a good balanced draw, good refereeing calls, little injury cloud, etc), we are a middle of the road club.
 

Gareth67

First Grade
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Right decision by Albert , a decision that many of his fellow board members should also make , to ensure that the Dragons will finally progress into a bright future .

Whenever his name comes up , it will be the vision of the hard running prop that will come to mind and not the chairman .
 
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SBD82

Coach
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Marvellous how the press have got us all navel gazing and concentrating on somewhat irrelevant things.

If Albert hadn’t stood down in reality who in this place was going to stop following the club or hand his / her membership back?

Many worse things than this have happened and the vast majority of us are still here supporting the club and the only thing that really happens is we put another entry in the column called dumbf**kery committed by our BOD.

The hysteria this has created is designed to get our backs up so we voice our negativity against all things StGI and the media love it.

Albert has done the wrong thing but I do not agree with the absurd posts about him supporting a pedophile.

He went out on a limb to support a longtime friend and rightfully he has paid a hefty price for it.

If this issue has been the thing we should most focus on then we really do have no idea as the situation was always going to resolve in the proper manner.

We just wanted to remain negative and create unwarranted hysteria about it and yet again the media have got the exact result they were looking for.
I have no issue with Young supplying a personal reference for Finch.

I have an issue with him writing it with the club’s logo, indicating that his views are representative of the club, and therefore of us.

As for the media. A club chairman f**ked up royally, and it’s symptomatic of a larger issue in our governance. Of course it’s a story.

We’re not f**ked because the media is writing about us. The media is writing about us because we’re f**ked. I for one hope they keep the spotlight on the club. Seems to be the only thing that precipitates change.
 

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