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Crisis rocks Parramatta club as director quits

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Spag's heart is in the right place, no doubt about it, so much so that it's probably got him unstuck on this occasion, Ovo's problem was as wonderful a man he was or still is he was dictated by his own CEO then stuck by him..
I have no doubt about about the passion for the club of the 2 you have mentioned but the CEO played for other clubs, had no business experince.
So why was he choosen as CEO?
 

Eels Dude

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I'm talking about the cleanout that has taken place since 2009.

Ok well that cleanout has yet to show any signs of success. We can get excited no doubt, but only time will tell whether that cleanout was a good thing or not and until we see then we should wait to credit him for that.


I sure will congratulate him, and whoever else is responsible for the huge turnover in personnel since '09. Not just for the signings and re-signings, but all the high profile players who are gone.

I always saw it as short-term pain for long-term gain and I've never doubted the people running the club have a clear plan.

As for the alleged discrepancies in the third party deals, the club have all contracts overseen and ratified by the NRL. This particular 'scandal' is clearly a trash journo beatup.

As above time will tell whether the decisions he's made were the right ones. I hope they are but I want our club to be a success. But in a years time if our high profile signings turn out to be duds then we'll all be highly critical of everyone.
 

Suitman

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Ok well that cleanout has yet to show any signs of success. We can get excited no doubt, but only time will tell whether that cleanout was a good thing or not and until we see then we should wait to credit him for that.




As above time will tell whether the decisions he's made were the right ones. I hope they are but I want our club to be a success. But in a years time if our high profile signings turn out to be duds then we'll all be highly critical of everyone.

No shit sherlock.
That statement is relevant to every sporting club and business in the world.

Suity
 

Eels Dude

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No shit sherlock.
That statement is relevant to every sporting club and business in the world.

Suity

Not argueing otherwise. But to credit him for overseeing a cleanout is not praiseworthy because it's part of the job like you said.
 

strider

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Exactly.
At the moment, the issue is a story. Not a headline, and certainly not a crisis.

Suity
well i don't know how other newspapers work but I think mostly every story has to have a headline .... otherwise its just big blob of words :D
 

Poupou Escobar

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Ok well that cleanout has yet to show any signs of success. We can get excited no doubt, but only time will tell whether that cleanout was a good thing or not and until we see then we should wait to credit him for that.

I think it's a solid plan and it has been very well implemented.

I don't even think it can fail, on its merits as a recruiting/retention plan. So if the team does happen to experience no success, it will be for reasons other than recruitment/retention.

In my opinion (obviously), we needed a cleanout and we got it. That's a success. We are finally in a position where we are able to attract the players to the club that the coach wants, and we have done so - another success.

When you have a coach with a plan, and he is (relatively) unconstrained by legacy salary cap pressures, then the only way you can fail is either if the coach gets no support from the people above him, or if he is himself just a dud (including if he gets no support from the players - I see this as a coaching fault).

Personally, I feel I've seen enough from Kearney to think he's a good coach, and I expect success next year (top 8). If that doesn't happen I will be very surprised, but I will also know that the CEO is at least partly to blame - either because Kearney didn't get the support he needed (unlikely since the current mob signed him, and they've so far signed the players he wanted) or because Kearney is a dud coach (and therefore Osborne's fault for replacing one dud with another).

As above time will tell whether the decisions he's made were the right ones. I hope they are but I want our club to be a success. But in a years time if our high profile signings turn out to be duds then we'll all be highly critical of everyone.

Agreed but the fact is they're not duds; they're good signings. These players we've signed have proven themselves quality players. If they don't perform here next year it won't be entirely the fault of the players, and the coaching staff and thus the CEO will deserve to share the blame.

But if we're going to go into hypotheticals why posit the negatives? Is it because it's easier not to get our hopes up? That bullshit is for losers.

I'm a fan, and when I talk hypothetically about the future of the team it's all positive. The alternative is the whiny negative bullshit we constantly see all over this forum.
 
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PJ Marshal

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look anyone who states under their qualifications in their CV .. 2 awesome off loads in the 1994 grand final and team mate of brett mullins , does not need to have their credentials questioned.
 

Suitman

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I think it's a solid plan and it has been very well implemented.

I don't even think it can fail, on its merits as a recruiting/retention plan. So if the team does happen to experience no success, it will be for reasons other than recruitment/retention.

In my opinion (obviously), we needed a cleanout and we got it. That's a success. We are finally in a position where we are able to attract the players to the club that the coach wants, and we have done so - another success.

When you have a coach with a plan, and he is (relatively) unconstrained by legacy salary cap pressures, then the only way you can fail is either if the coach gets no support from the people above him, or if he is himself just a dud (including if he gets no support from the players - I see this is a coaching fault).

Personally, I feel I've seen enough from Kearney to think he's a good coach, and I expect success next year (top 8). If that doesn't happen I will be very surprised, but I will also know that the CEO is at least partly to blame - either because Kearney didn't get the support he needed (unlikely since the current mob signed him, and they've so far signed the players he wanted) or because Kearney is a dud coach (and therefore Osborne's fault for replacing one dud with another).



Agreed but the fact is they're not duds; they're good signings. These players we've signed have proven themselves quality players. If they don't perform here next year it won't be entirely the fault of the players, and the coaching staff and thus the CEO will deserve to share the blame.

But if we're going to go into hypotheticals why posit the negatives? Is it because it's easier not to get our hopes up? That's bullshit is for losers.

I'm a fan, and when I talk hypothetically about the future of the team it's all positive. The alternative is the whiny negative bullshit we constantly see all over this forum.

Great post.

Suity
 

Poupou Escobar

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Not argueing otherwise. But to credit him for overseeing a cleanout is not praiseworthy because it's part of the job like you said.

Yet the last time the club had such a cleanout was when Brian Smith arrived back on the mid 90s. The club has needed several cleanouts since then and beside the half-a-cleanout we got between '01 and '05 (and failed to address the problem of Brian Smith still being at the club) we've had to wait until 2009 for it.
 

eels81236

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I had a post deleted today because claims need to be substantiated. As for LU's stand on that, i totally appreciate.
Can I just say that all claims were known to me prior and I just made a reproduction of what was heard on the radio this morning.
Trust me, there is more to follow.

It's a shame because a lot of good has been done at the club over the last 18 months or so and it would be a shame if a wanker like Osborne and Spags (by association) were to undo a lot of the good.
 
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eels81236

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You have a vedetta against spags I wonder why you used to work for the leagues club ? Spags does a great job for this club. His heart is this club.

Sorry Mrs Spagnollo. I won't have an outsiders opinion on your husband again. :sarcasm:
 

eels81236

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Well that article alludes to some of the things in my deleted post including but not limited to the Mrs being responsible for the credit card, the misuse of cab charges (that hasn't yet scratched the surface) and the apparent alleged infidelity.

Unfortunately even if Spags had a heart as big as Pharlap he may just find himself guilty by association.
 

IFR33K

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Wasn't there someone in the eels forum only a few months ago, that stated PO will get the ass, for TZ.

Interesting.
 

Poupou Escobar

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Home schooling nine children?

That's ridiculous.

No, paying for them all to go to school would be ridiculous. Do you know how expensive kids are?

And if you home school them you don't need to buy them iPhones and expensive sneakers and all that other shit they think they need to be cool.
 
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