Crowd Watch 2011

[Willow]

But ..... we are on the bottom of the ladder
they are on the top

I'm sure most supporters would be delighted if their team were on top of the ladder regardless. Would you still be miserable if the situations were reversed?

But I'm curious. What does that have to do with the Crowd Watch thread?

Looks like an effort to defend some irrelevant position.

 

[Timmah]

adamkungl predicted those goalposts would move, they ended up down the other end of the field next to the other ones.

BDGS - an average 3,000 PER GAME more than Canberra (if you wish to exclude certain crowds to assist your arguments) is still a huge gap at where the NRL is in 2011.

I find it amazing the focal point of this thread is people trolling the Dragons (even if we are going to hopefully kick their arse tonight) when teams like Cronulla, Penrith and even Manly are drawing sub-10k crowds. It's embarrassing.

 

[Coastbloke]

No game should get under 10,000 this weekend...

 

[Panther_Daz]

How is that Knights Membership drive going? are they on track for a crowd near the 30k mark this week?

 

[Coastbloke]

How is that Knights Membership drive going? are they on track for a crowd near the 30k mark this week?

You'd have to ask the Knights experts - which would mean avoiding the Knights forum...

:roll:

 

[Goddo]

adamkungl predicted those goalposts would move, they ended up down the other end of the field next to the other ones.

BDGS - an average 3,000 PER GAME more than Canberra (if you wish to exclude certain crowds to assist your arguments) is still a huge gap at where the NRL is in 2011.

I find it amazing the focal point of this thread is people trolling the Dragons (even if we are going to hopefully kick their arse tonight) when teams like Cronulla, Penrith and even Manly are drawing sub-10k crowds. It's embarrassing.

Agreed. The gap between the top teams and the bottom is widening.

With memberships and crowd growth, we will see St George, Canterbury, lol@50uff$, Wests, Parra (if they ever have some form), even the Chooks push further with attendences, as they have the largest fan bases to draw on. They will all be averaging over 20k within the next 5 years or so, and I'd suspect that those playing out of 22k ish suburban grounds will be selling out most of their matches. They are all around the 17-22k average now.

Then you have the strong non Sydney clubs, Brisbane, Gold Coast, Newcastle (who will be huge under Tinkler).

The fringe Sydney teams (Manly, Penrith and Cronulla) are a real worry. There seems to be almost no growth at them at all. Why? Well, they are hard to get to, their facilities are generally sub par, and fans of other clubs are common in their territory. All 3 have long term viability issues to fix. In Manly's case, they need a new stadium bad. Cronulla are up the creek, and Penrith have every possible advantage yet people just don't care about them.

Other teams that draw a lower gate (Melbourne, Canberra, North Queensland, New Zealand) aren't a problem, because they add to the game in other ways (TV rights and sponsorships mostly). And each of these teams has demonstrated growth when form has been good.

 

[Goddo]

Asside, how do you think the expansion options would go in regards to crowds?

Bluetongue stadium (20,000 capacity) is nice and newish, but its capacity would be the lowest or close to the lowest in the NRL (Brookvale Oval, Toyota Stadium, Leichhardt Oval size). Once the honeymoon is over, will they be like Manly or Cronulla, drawing around 12-13k average, or are they potentially stronger? No one can say with any real certainty, but the population is spread out, and North Sydney is a fair distance away. It would be safe to say they would be around a 13k average side.

nib Stadium (currently 21000, being upgraded to 25,000) will be good if they ever get started on the redevelopment. Perth would probably be on par with Canberra in terms of attendences, maybe stronger. So 13k ish, but they are an important market for other reasons, so that would be acceptable, so long as it grows.

Suncorp Stadium (52,500) would probably draw an average in the low to mid 20k's for Brisbane II, which would grow over a decade or two to possibly close to the Broncos.

Ipswich whould rely on a Skilled Park style functional but cheap 25k stadium, and Suncorp for 2 or so big games. Probably would average something similar to the Titans (17-19k), maybe more from the Suncorp games.

Central Queensland would be the worst attended by far. The stadium proposed by the Qld Gov would be 20k, 1/3 of the population... Would rely on travelling fans just to be looking at a 12k average. A club like that is too small for the game, no matter how much QR and mining money is pumped into it.

Westpac Stadium (36k) has potential in Wellington, yet Super Rugby regularily gets sub 10k crowds there, and it wouldn't be available for more than half a dozen games. Christchurch would be a similar situation.

 

[bobmar28]

I know wouldn't be great if Sydney just had 4 massive clubs.

Maybe 5. Anyway 9 is too many.

 

[BunniesMan]

6 is the right amount for Sydney. f**k off the 3 small clubs to Perth/Adelaide/Sunshine and the 6 biggest ones will get even bigger.

 

[BDGS]

adamkungl predicted those goalposts would move, they ended up down the other end of the field next to the other ones.

BDGS - an average 3,000 PER GAME more than Canberra (if you wish to exclude certain crowds to assist your arguments) is still a huge gap at where the NRL is in 2011.

I find it amazing the focal point of this thread is people trolling the Dragons (even if we are going to hopefully kick their arse tonight) when teams like Cronulla, Penrith and even Manly are drawing sub-10k crowds. It's embarrassing.

How can anybody think that the SCG Heritage game should count? The St George Illawaara Dragkns doesn't even credit the SCG game as a home ground.

It defies logic to think that should count anymore then the where it needs to counted in club home averages because each team must have 12 home games on the sheet. Doesn't mean those 'home' games are at home.

But I know you are taking this stance so in 2 weeks you can lay claim that somehow the Bulldogs home game in Brisbane is fairly counted.

 

[BDGS]

Agreed. The gap between the top teams and the bottom is widening.

Not really, this year 9 teams average over 17k. Which js a great result. Newcastle should join and make that group 10 soon as well.

 

[Timmah]

How can anybody think that the SCG Heritage game should count? The St George Illawaara Dragkns doesn't even credit the SCG game as a home ground.

It defies logic to think that should count anymore then the where it needs to counted in club home averages because each team must have 12 home games on the sheet. Doesn't mean those 'home' games are at home.

But I know you are taking this stance so in 2 weeks you can lay claim that somehow the Bulldogs home game in Brisbane is fairly counted.

It defies logic that you take numbers out of a statistic because it doesn't suit your argument.

The Round 5 match was a allocated home game for the Dragons, not their fault it was forced to be moved. They had more fans there than us that night, that is also a fact.

The Bulldogs home game in Brisbane, (which you would know had you done your research) doesn't count. It's a double header which under the official stats keeper, NRL Stats, keeps separate. The Bulldogs and Manly will finish the season with 11 home games as there is no fair or accurate way to split the crowd figure.

 

[Timmah]

Not really, this year 9 teams average over 17k. Which js a great result. Newcastle should join and make that group 10 soon as well.

:lol:! How on earth, after 10 rounds, can you possibly compare figures to yearly averages of previous years? :lol:

Teams averaging 17k won't necesarily maintain those numbers - the Tigers have already played twice at the SFS and Parra have had both their ANZ clashes already and will likely decline with games remaining only at smaller venues.

Either way, there's a huge disparity between top-drawing clubs and the lower echelon.

 

[CMUX]

How can anybody think that the SCG Heritage game should count? The St George Illawaara Dragkns doesn't even credit the SCG game as a home ground.

It defies logic to think that should count anymore then the where it needs to counted in club home averages because each team must have 12 home games on the sheet. Doesn't mean those 'home' games are at home.

But I know you are taking this stance so in 2 weeks you can lay claim that somehow the Bulldogs home game in Brisbane is fairly counted.

Hang on a second, you are advocating that teams playing in suburban grounds move games to bigger grounds yet you want to ignore the crowd when they do?

 

[Goddo]

Warriors and Dragons have played their biggest drawing games, they will only drop from here. Tigers, Roosters and Parra will also drop their average from now. The Doggies are almost done with their big drawing derbies.

All of those sides will drop by 3k-ish before the end of the season. Remember, we haven't even hit the Origin period yet...

 

[Timmah]

Warriors and Dragons have played their biggest drawing games, they will only drop from here. Tigers, Roosters and Parra will also drop their average from now. The Doggies are almost done with their big drawing derbies.

All of those sides will drop by 3k-ish before the end of the season. Remember, we haven't even hit the Origin period yet...

Bulldogs still have a derby vs Eels at home in Round 20 which should provide a late season boost. Expect at least one other game against a low-draw club to be boosted by some random promotion late in the year too.

 

[Willow]

How can anybody think that the SCG Heritage game should count?

Officially it is recognised as a home game. That's how the stats will read.

Source: http://nrl.has.it

St George Illawarra

Home games: 3
Total crowd: 63497
Average crowd: 21166

Away games: 6
Total crowd: 124276
Average crowd: 20713

Home and Away games: 9
Total crowd: 187773
Average crowd: 20864

The home games include the SCG match.

Of course if you choose not to recognise the SCG game, that's your choice to make.

But throughout the history of the game, clubs have been known to move home venues and it has always been officially recognised as a home game.

For example, when St George played Balmain in Adelaide in 1991, it was officially a Dragons home game. We even had official home games at Belmore in the late 80s when the grand stand at Kogarah was being upgraded.

The St George Illawaara Dragkns doesn't even credit the SCG game as a home ground.

I think you'll find the club does.

I suppose from a fan's perspective, the SCG is not 'home' as such because it's not in the home district, but that's where the home game was moved to.

Hope that clears things up.

 

[TV Ted Ellery]

Warriors and Dragons have played their biggest drawing games, they will only drop from here. Tigers, Roosters and Parra will also drop their average from now. The Doggies are almost done with their big drawing derbies.

All of those sides will drop by 3k-ish before the end of the season. Remember, we haven't even hit the Origin period yet...

The Tigers current home crowd average of 17, 356 is consistent with out average over the past 7 years. We've only dropped below 17k twice in that time (2007,2008). Although we have only one game at the SFS and one at the SCG remaining, both are likely to draw big crowds and bolster our average. Of the games at Campbelltown and Leichhardt, the Bulldogs, Roosters, Penrith and Melbourne games are likely to draw in the vicinity of 17-20k. The scheduling of the Newcastle game on a Monday night will keep a few away and the crowd for the Gold Coast game later in the year will largely depend on whether we're still in semi-finals contention.

 

[Timmah]

If WT and Saints are in good form come Round 22, that SCG might sell out... who knows.

 

[Panther_Daz]

If anyone is going to ANZ tonight is it possible to do approx updates around 6pm and 7pm of what the crowd is looking like inside, people in bars outside etc. ?