Crowd Watch 2012 Mk II

[Saint Doc]

More vacant real estate in the vast empty expanses I guess

But "huddled under the overhang" seems to suggest people would be sitting way up the back of bays to escape the weather. They weren't doing that at SFS, I was wondering why they would be doing that at ANZ?

 

[DC_fan]

One thing I forgot to add is that a fair chunk of our family supporters won't attend Bulldogs night games because of the unsavoury incidents of a few years back with a certain element of Dogs fans (2006 I think) after a game at ANZ.

Whilst the Bulldogs club has done a superb job in cleaning it up for a massive chunk of fans it was a permanent red line through the night fixtures against the Dogs

It has been a while since I have heard of any problems with Bulldogs fans, but people have long memories especially in regards to violence.

 

[gronkathon]

Sad but true

 

[docbrown]

Who was the bright spark who decided to schedule this one in the round immediately after Origin III?

There's been some pretty poor scheduling this year.

 

[The.X.Factor9]

Meh I don't think it would have got many more at ANZ.

It was quite cold there last night, it would have turned a fair few families off last night.

Also why was this game scheduled on a Friday post origin?

Whatever happened to channel 9's love for the Tigers on sunday?

 

[BunniesMan]

but isnt that half the problem.. our teams operate as 'suburban' based teams.. the brand of the teams doesnt seem to travel. How many of the 75,000 at the MCG tonight come from the suburbs around Carlton and Collingwood?... with very few exceptions most Melbourne AFL teams outgrew specific geographic ties and limits .. they are statewide/nationwide brands. Why is our support base so geographically constrained by comparison?

Because the NSWRL didn't handle expanding in Sydney as efficiently as the VFL expanded in Melbourne.

If you follow the AFL and you're from Melbourne your choice is between 9 inner city clubs. The furthest a club is from the Melbourne CBD is Essendon, a whole 8kms away.

To put that into perspective, it would be like if the NRL had 9 clubs closer to the Sydney CBD than Canterbury.

In Melbourne, as urban sprawl continued over the last century and the city grew, the VFL/AFL just made fans in other parts of the city pick an already existing team in the inner city and get on with life.

In Sydney, the NSWRL/NRL chose to kill historic inner city teams and instead just put teams all over the city as suburbs popped up.

Because the NRL has teams all over greater sydney, generally fans are more segragated because they just follow their local team and don't have to travel for home games.

The AFL has naturally created a system where each club has widespread support throughout Melbourne. Where no matter who you support, you have to get to the inner city to watch them.

I think if the NSWRL had its time over again it would have done things very differently in terms of growing within Sydney.

 

[BunniesMan]

One thing I forgot to add is that a fair chunk of our family supporters won't attend Bulldogs night games because of the unsavoury incidents of a few years back with a certain element of Dogs fans (2006 I think) after a game at ANZ.

Whilst the Bulldogs club has done a superb job in cleaning it up for a massive chunk of fans it was a permanent red line through the night fixtures against the Dogs

:lol: Thats why Souths v Dogs got well over 30k this year.

 

[gronkathon]

:lol: Thats why Souths v Dogs got well over 30k this year.

Yeah with a 4pm kick off you worthless f**king numpty

The night game drew a bit less than 19,500

 

[Cumberland Throw]

Sydney is just a big spread out mutha f**kin city...

Imagine we had followed the same AFL model, where all old teams are basically within a 10km radius.

We would have

Glebe
University
Newtown
Balmain
Easts
Norths
Souths
Lidcombe


No expansion suburbs

St George
Canterbury
Parramatta
Manly
Cronulla
Penrith


Melbourne is the densely populated city in the country, Sydney isnt..



The answer to is "South Sydney is a region or a brand ?", is a very easy one to answer for all teams.

All teams have between 8000- 20000 lines of data which has every members address and post code, it wouldn't be that hard for all teams to merge this and work out exactly how far members live from the traditional base.

And come up with a whole of game strategy around game placement and draw area etc.

Oh wait it is the NRL isnt it,, they will just ask fox to tell them what they think

 

[DIOGENES]

I object to you kicking Annandale out of the competition.

I find it difficult to believe that many people would travel from Penrith to the SFS to watch Glebe on the sole basis that their father supported Glebe and their father afore that. AFL has a different and not necessarily better place in the psyche of Melbournians.

 

[BunniesMan]

I agree geography does play a part in making it harder for Sydney to have the same inner city club core that Melbourne has.

But it still could have been done if it was done from day 1.

Rugby league in Sydney has the whole tribal "my neighbourhood v your neighbourhood" thing happening.

There are pros to that but there are also cons.

 

[BunniesMan]

I find it difficult to believe that many people would travel from Penrith to the SFS to watch Glebe on the sole basis that their father supported Glebe and their father afore that. AFL has a different and not necessarily better place in the psyche of Melbournians.

Obviously not now. But if the last 80 years were done differently and people didn't know any other way and there was no such thing as Penrith and Manly and Cronulla Sydney people would have developed that different "psyche".

If it was 2012 and the Sydney clubs are
Souths
Easts
Norths
Annandale
Glebe
Newtown
Canterbury
Balmain

And that is what you and the city had grown up with for nearly a century that is what you'd know.

 

[Cumberland Throw]

Canterbury weren't there in 1908. That area was technically an expansion area of Sydney same as st George

I think the problem for nswrl is that 3 of the originals went broke real quick

I believe all original afl clubs survived for 1870 under some guise or another

 

[t-ba]

All 8 clubs from the formation of the VFL in 1897 still exist in some guise. (South Melbourne + Fitzroy having been relocated).

Melbourne's geography lends itself better to the system than Sydney does. Melbourne is largely built on a flat plain that made infrastructure pretty simple. Though most of Sydney's population now lives on the Cumberland plain, before the city started pushing out west, the population was largely hugging Syndey Harbour and the foothills around it. Melbourne city also radiates out from the CBD much more evenly than Sydney does. These have lent themselves to very strong regional identities in Sydney. I mean, even without an RL team, the Hills have a very distinct identity. Same goes for the 'suburbs' (read-towns) along the Hawkesbury...

The only way it would have worked is if Parramatta had always been the centre of the city tbh.

 

[elbusto]

Good crowd on the Gold Coast. What was the crowd in Melbourne?

 

[nko11]

12,214 at Aami Park.

 

[elbusto]

12,214 at Aami Park.

Thanks mate. I reckon 16-17000 at Skilled.

 

[elbusto]

Might even be bigger at Skilled - might crack 20000

 

[DC_fan]

It does look a good crowd at Skilled.

Why tonight have the fans come out?

 

[roboshark]

More warriors fans that coasties